Long answer: Part of their whole shtick is lying about what morality is and where it comes from. To admit that any god is unnecessary for morality would be to undermine their entire religion. To admit that their god can provide a shield for horrible people would be to admit that their rules for moral behavior are fundamentally flawed and actually immoral.
The Christian god is not good, and all you have to do is look at Yahweh's behavior in the Old Testament to confirm that. I suspect Christians ignore Yahweh's behavior because Jesus, but it's still there and it's still egregious.
If you need the threat of eternal torture to keep you from being mean to other people, that doesnβt make you a better person than an atheist, it just means youβre a dog on a leash.
Religion is often just the attribution bias on steroids, IMO. None of them walk around thinking they would rape and pillage if it weren't for hell, instead they think *their neighbor* would, so they must spread the word.
That's not unique to religion. The vast majority of people of all faiths and none have that same attribution bias - "The police aren't needed to stop ME from doing bad stuff, I wouldn't do it anway...they are needed to stop YOU from doing bad stuff." Religion just adds a supernaturally effective policeman.
He is just a variation of the over-compensating closet-case syndrome. I have an instinctive mistrust of people who use religion as a justification for their behavior. They always have something to hide. Things like this have come to be more expected than shocking.
His god (in the form of a bird) impregnated an underage girl who was not his wife. Adultery, bestiality and child sexual abuse, all rolled into one. And he did it all without giving the victim a choice.
Why should we expect anythng different from that god's followers?
Why is it so hard to agree on some basic principles as regards human sexuality? Would it be really so bad if we all held the following principles that everything regarding sex is ok IF ALL the participants are adult and consenting?
Damn right we should come down like a ton of bricks on anyone who engages in anything which involves people who are not adult and/or not consenting, but everyone else should just be left alone to enjoy their proclivities!
Why? Because there are people out there who want simple answers to complex questions, and those answers very often do not obtain, ESPECIALLY as it comes to human behavior and ESPECIALLY human sexuality. On top of that, there are human behaviors that make them VERY UNCOMFORTABLE for various reasons, chief among them the possibility that they see such potential in themselves and THEY DON'T LIKE THAT.
Again, there's a simple answer: If something makes you uncomfortable, then don't do it. There's no requirement for everyone to swing from the chandeliers while engaging in orgies, just stay at home playing Scrabble with a hot cup of cocoa if you prefer that,. As regards everyone else, live and let live is an excellent mantra. ('Adult and Consenting' applies!)
As usual the jesusfuckers frame complex problems into very simplistic terms and come up with even more simplistic answers that usually cause the complex problem to become worse. The Christian thinking is binary that they canβt understand that complex problems need complex solutions that are impossible if you canβt think outside the box so to speak!
Keep up exposing these immoral trash people. The more widely known what they really are, the sooner they can be treated as the threat they are by the general public.
I don't remember masturbation in the Bible, but there was a very obscene yet funny comedian in the 70s who said the nuns told them that they had to stop masturbating because they were killing "millions of potential Catholics"!!
Onanism takes it name from Onan, son of Judah, who refused to impregnate the widow of his brother and practiced coitus interruptus with her. This later became associated with masturbation. See Genesis chapter 38 for the story of Onan).
Which is absolutely true. According to ancient code, he had to marry and impregnate his brotherβs widow. Onan refused to do so.
ZAP!
Rules aside, what if Onan despised his brotherβs widow? That happens with fair frequency.
Iβve seen ultra-fundamentalist Christians use Genesis 19:30-38 as "Biblical justification" for incest:
30Β Lot and his two daughters left ZoarΒ and settled in the mountains,Β for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave.Β 31Β One day the older daughter said to the younger, βOur father is old, and there is no man around here to give us childrenβas is the custom all over the earth.Β 32Β Letβs get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family lineΒ through our father.β
33Β That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
34Β The next day the older daughter said to the younger, βLast night I slept with my father. Letβs get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.βΒ 35Β So they got their father to drink wineΒ that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
36Β So both of Lotβs daughters became pregnant by their father.Β 37Β The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab;Β he is the father of the MoabitesΒ of today.Β 38Β The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi; he is the father of the AmmonitesΒ of today.
Footnotes
1. Genesis 19:37Β MoabΒ sounds like the Hebrew forΒ from father.
2. Genesis 19:38Β Ben-AmmiΒ meansΒ son of my fatherβs people.
3. Genesis 19:38Β HebrewΒ Bene-Ammon
We all know ultra-fundamentalists who will say, "The Bible said it; I believe it; and THAT'S THAT" to justify things that are frankly immoral, e.g. incest, spousal abuse, domestic violence, beating their children, βBiblical slaveryβ, killing abortion providers, killing gay people, and genocide.
This might sound strange, but the Bible was never intended to be a βmoral rule book" or a handbook on morality. The Bible is replete with examples of people whom we would consider seriously flawed doing very good things (think: Rahab the prostitute; King Cyrus). It also includes people whom we regard to saints doing frankly awful things (King David, St. Peter, who abandoned Jesus before his trial in front of Pontius Pilate).
We cannot make any conclusion that βone cannot be good without God". A careful reading of Scripture shows there are plenty of people in the Bible who were βgood without God", and lots of Godly people who did despicable things. We all know so β called True Christiansβ’ who are absolutely despicable people; and we all know non-Christians and atheists who, in every sense of the word, are saints.
My most important takeaway: "What does it say about....conservative Christianity, and the belief that thereβs a link between religion and morality that a professor they bragged about in press releasesβa man with 10 childrenβmay have committed the most heinous of crimes? Will anyone there admit that perhaps you donβt need the Christian God to be good, or that God can often provide a shield for the worst people?"
This is a maxim which needs to be applied universally anytime we see this kind of behavior, to wit: Don't pay attention to what they SAY. Pay attention to WHAT THEY DO.
The more blatant and in your face a personβs Christianity is, the more likely that person has skeletons in their closet that the secular authorities need to look at!π€¨
The were aware enough that they knew none of his victims were old enough to attend their "college". The fact that they did the right thing as soon as he was caught is more public relations than anything.
Funny that Christians are supposedly morally superior (yeah, right) to the rest of us, but only do the right thing when they (Christians) are forced to do the right thing by the secular laws/authorities!
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Short answer: no.
Long answer: Part of their whole shtick is lying about what morality is and where it comes from. To admit that any god is unnecessary for morality would be to undermine their entire religion. To admit that their god can provide a shield for horrible people would be to admit that their rules for moral behavior are fundamentally flawed and actually immoral.
The Christian god is not good, and all you have to do is look at Yahweh's behavior in the Old Testament to confirm that. I suspect Christians ignore Yahweh's behavior because Jesus, but it's still there and it's still egregious.
Seems to me that many conservatives are forgetting Jesus and deciding Yahweh is THEIR GUY. Screw the new rules!!
Listen to Hegseth, who sounds like he's managing the Crusades.
They only ignore his behavior in their speech. Otherwise, they try to emulate it.
And that is because the Yahweh of the Old Testament is actually the god of metallurgy and warfare from the pre-Judaism Canaanites.
https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/2018-04-11/ty-article-magazine/.premium/jewish-god-yahweh-originated-in-canaanite-vulcan-says-new-theory/0000017f-dc86-d3ff-a7ff-fda6aa390000
If you need the threat of eternal torture to keep you from being mean to other people, that doesnβt make you a better person than an atheist, it just means youβre a dog on a leash.
Religion is often just the attribution bias on steroids, IMO. None of them walk around thinking they would rape and pillage if it weren't for hell, instead they think *their neighbor* would, so they must spread the word.
That's not unique to religion. The vast majority of people of all faiths and none have that same attribution bias - "The police aren't needed to stop ME from doing bad stuff, I wouldn't do it anway...they are needed to stop YOU from doing bad stuff." Religion just adds a supernaturally effective policeman.
Not. A. Drag .Queen. (Obligatory remark before reading article.)
Not an immigrant, atheist, or transgender. As per usual, the perpetrator is a loudmouth, arrogant, self righteous, judgmental right wing jesusfucker!
Ouch!
Reddit.com/r/notadragqueen
He is just a variation of the over-compensating closet-case syndrome. I have an instinctive mistrust of people who use religion as a justification for their behavior. They always have something to hide. Things like this have come to be more expected than shocking.
His god (in the form of a bird) impregnated an underage girl who was not his wife. Adultery, bestiality and child sexual abuse, all rolled into one. And he did it all without giving the victim a choice.
Why should we expect anythng different from that god's followers?
Christmas- Because even abstinence isn't 100% effective. :)
Why is it so hard to agree on some basic principles as regards human sexuality? Would it be really so bad if we all held the following principles that everything regarding sex is ok IF ALL the participants are adult and consenting?
Damn right we should come down like a ton of bricks on anyone who engages in anything which involves people who are not adult and/or not consenting, but everyone else should just be left alone to enjoy their proclivities!
Why? Because there are people out there who want simple answers to complex questions, and those answers very often do not obtain, ESPECIALLY as it comes to human behavior and ESPECIALLY human sexuality. On top of that, there are human behaviors that make them VERY UNCOMFORTABLE for various reasons, chief among them the possibility that they see such potential in themselves and THEY DON'T LIKE THAT.
Again, there's a simple answer: If something makes you uncomfortable, then don't do it. There's no requirement for everyone to swing from the chandeliers while engaging in orgies, just stay at home playing Scrabble with a hot cup of cocoa if you prefer that,. As regards everyone else, live and let live is an excellent mantra. ('Adult and Consenting' applies!)
But-but-but ... they don't LIKE it! And they don't want ANYONE ELSE to DO IT! Because it's ICKY!!! EEEEWWWWWWW!
As usual the jesusfuckers frame complex problems into very simplistic terms and come up with even more simplistic answers that usually cause the complex problem to become worse. The Christian thinking is binary that they canβt understand that complex problems need complex solutions that are impossible if you canβt think outside the box so to speak!
Consent assumes my property has rights independent of mine. Which is where you lose conservatives.
Keep up exposing these immoral trash people. The more widely known what they really are, the sooner they can be treated as the threat they are by the general public.
I don't remember masturbation in the Bible, but there was a very obscene yet funny comedian in the 70s who said the nuns told them that they had to stop masturbating because they were killing "millions of potential Catholics"!!
From Google:
Onanism takes it name from Onan, son of Judah, who refused to impregnate the widow of his brother and practiced coitus interruptus with her. This later became associated with masturbation. See Genesis chapter 38 for the story of Onan).
Screwy, but that's the bible for you!
Onan was given a lightning bolt enema because he disobeyed his god. Unlike what xtians believe, it had zero to do with masturbation.
And when believers can't distinguish between masturbation and coitus, it illustrates what sort of damage religion does to the intellect.
Which is absolutely true. According to ancient code, he had to marry and impregnate his brotherβs widow. Onan refused to do so.
ZAP!
Rules aside, what if Onan despised his brotherβs widow? That happens with fair frequency.
Iβve seen ultra-fundamentalist Christians use Genesis 19:30-38 as "Biblical justification" for incest:
30Β Lot and his two daughters left ZoarΒ and settled in the mountains,Β for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave.Β 31Β One day the older daughter said to the younger, βOur father is old, and there is no man around here to give us childrenβas is the custom all over the earth.Β 32Β Letβs get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family lineΒ through our father.β
33Β That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
34Β The next day the older daughter said to the younger, βLast night I slept with my father. Letβs get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.βΒ 35Β So they got their father to drink wineΒ that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
36Β So both of Lotβs daughters became pregnant by their father.Β 37Β The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab;Β he is the father of the MoabitesΒ of today.Β 38Β The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi; he is the father of the AmmonitesΒ of today.
Footnotes
1. Genesis 19:37Β MoabΒ sounds like the Hebrew forΒ from father.
2. Genesis 19:38Β Ben-AmmiΒ meansΒ son of my fatherβs people.
3. Genesis 19:38Β HebrewΒ Bene-Ammon
We all know ultra-fundamentalists who will say, "The Bible said it; I believe it; and THAT'S THAT" to justify things that are frankly immoral, e.g. incest, spousal abuse, domestic violence, beating their children, βBiblical slaveryβ, killing abortion providers, killing gay people, and genocide.
This might sound strange, but the Bible was never intended to be a βmoral rule book" or a handbook on morality. The Bible is replete with examples of people whom we would consider seriously flawed doing very good things (think: Rahab the prostitute; King Cyrus). It also includes people whom we regard to saints doing frankly awful things (King David, St. Peter, who abandoned Jesus before his trial in front of Pontius Pilate).
We cannot make any conclusion that βone cannot be good without God". A careful reading of Scripture shows there are plenty of people in the Bible who were βgood without God", and lots of Godly people who did despicable things. We all know so β called True Christiansβ’ who are absolutely despicable people; and we all know non-Christians and atheists who, in every sense of the word, are saints.
And parents demanded children and teens to read the Bible while forcing them to not watch TV shows and Movies due to violent/sexual content... sheesh!
Good old Google sucks these days, doesn't it? I'm looking for a new search engine if anyone has suggestions.
But do you think that people 2000+ years ago knew what sperm was and how women got pregnant?
Considering it was the 17th century when they discovered sperms...
Duckduckgo:
https://duckduckgo.com/about
Here's Billy Connolly's take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yr4CBkeZws
I think you will love this - Billy Connolly on masturbation, celibacy, the rhythm method .... it's hilarious!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yr4CBkeZws
I love Billy!! Will watch after the dog walk, thank you!
That was Chris Rush, if I remember correctly. Super funny guy!
My most important takeaway: "What does it say about....conservative Christianity, and the belief that thereβs a link between religion and morality that a professor they bragged about in press releasesβa man with 10 childrenβmay have committed the most heinous of crimes? Will anyone there admit that perhaps you donβt need the Christian God to be good, or that God can often provide a shield for the worst people?"
This is a maxim which needs to be applied universally anytime we see this kind of behavior, to wit: Don't pay attention to what they SAY. Pay attention to WHAT THEY DO.
But, but, but...that would DESTROY most religion!! /s/
Would iit, really? And the problem is ... what? π
Itβs always those who scream the loudest! Always. Deep personal hatred.
Every accusation is a confession.
The more blatant and in your face a personβs Christianity is, the more likely that person has skeletons in their closet that the secular authorities need to look at!π€¨
More like skeletons in their back yard.
I agree the secular authorities should check the Christianβs backyard as well as their βclosetsβ
For the umpti-umpth time: Every Accusation Is A Confession.
Enow Spake.
Surprised? No!
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Accusations are confessions, as they say.
When your finance professor starts talking about sex ethics, it's a pretty good bet it's because he's got some sex ethics issue in his life.
πβππ πππ π€ππ π πππ‘ππ ππ₯ππππ‘ ππ π ππ₯ πππ ππ‘βπππ πππ π½ππ π’π β¦ πππ π π π¦ππ’ ππππ€ ππ₯πππ‘ππ¦ π€βπππ π‘βππ π π‘πππ¦ ππ πππππ.
The only variations to this story seem to be the number of victims who have come forward.
Itβs never just one, is it? And one is one too many.
So far, I am willing to bet there are much more victims that are afraid to come forward as yet!
I think far from being blameless the school bears a lionβs share of the blame. They effing well knew what he was doing.
The were aware enough that they knew none of his victims were old enough to attend their "college". The fact that they did the right thing as soon as he was caught is more public relations than anything.
Funny that Christians are supposedly morally superior (yeah, right) to the rest of us, but only do the right thing when they (Christians) are forced to do the right thing by the secular laws/authorities!
OT: We arrived in the Navajo nation yesterday. Going to drive around Monument Valley today. The Nation is alcohol free. π