Scott Peyton left the Diocese of Lafayette over its handling of the abuse. Church officials say his departure—not the priest’s crimes—warrants excommunication
Almost every movement and institution starts with dreams of changing the world. Unfortunately, the moment after it starts, the primary goal usually changes from revolution or reform to self-preservation.
The young man who made that statement, I think over a decade ago, was less than half of my age when he made it. I am not certain I have EVER seen a more cogent observation regarding the nature of religion in my life ... and no, I don't think I'm exaggerating.
This is why religion wants to, in the words of Seth Andrews, "Get 'em while they're young." The indoctrination goes easier, the kids mostly just sop it up, and then they wonder when the suffer from cognitive dissonance when what they've been taught runs headlong into the real world.
Exactly! I'm a recovering Catholic, now atheist who has researched and seen what the church has become. For centuries they have not followed the teachings of their prophet. They are misogynistic, money changers, hoarding tons of evidence that would destroy them. They sided with a dictator who said he was the "only one" who could save Germany. They claim to be the "only one" religion that can save your soul. This excomunication is a crime against humanity.
In Peyton's case, though, excommunication may actually have been RELIEF. The RCC showed Mark its true face. He recognized that, then turned on his heel and took a walk, whereupon his diocese had a shit-fit and excom'ed him.
Whereupon I have to ask: who was the adult and who the spoiled brat in this incident?
I hope he doesn't feel bad about being excommunicated, because he should view it as a badge of honor. The systematic sexual abuse of children has been the church's dirty little secret for centuries. Before these horrors began making their way into the media the church would circle the wagons, protect the priest, and condemn the victims. That mentality still exists. I don't know why membership in that church isn't down to zero.
Well, if the church would excommunicate myself and my four siblings--each of whom have filed the appropriate paperwork multiple times, including once when all five of us did so (unintentially) on the same day--their membership list would be decreased by five. But, noooo. Apparently, at least in the US, once a catholic, always a catholic, even if you're a long-time atheist, have desecrated holy crackers, "basphemed the holy spirit" in public, assisted in abortions (note the plural here), aaaaand married non-catholics, not baptized kids, and brought up kids as atheists. Not gonna lie, it's fucking hard to get them to kick people out. And, no, I'm not going to trade one delusion for another closely-related one, which seems to be what got their knickers in a twist in this case.
NOGODZ20, In Japan, it is considered a form of psychological child abuse to teach children they can go to hell OR to coerce them into religious participation (U.S. High School football teams etc). It’s called the Child Abuse Prevention Law.
Troubling, yes. Surprising, no. Walking away threatens their power and cash flow. Abuse is dealt with by the Public Apology to the Ceiling. This is yet one more example showing that their love of power overrides everything else, even protecting children.
One day, Jesus asked his disciples, "If one of you hears a report about a brother that he is sexually assaulting a boy in our congregation, what should you do?"
And James said, "Cast out the wicked priest and report him to the authorities for punishment!"
And Peter said, "Nay! We should forgive the offending priest, transfer him to another location, and quietly pressure and pay off families to preserve our good reputation."
James said, "But then he'll just do it again!"
Peter said, "Then we forgive and transfer him again."
And Jesus said, "But what if his family doth report it to the proper authorities?"
Peter said, "Then we throw a party celebrating our brother priest!"
James said, "What?"
Peter said, "We celebrate all the good the priest has done in the name of our Lord."
And Jesus said, "And if the family departs from you to find healing?"
Peter said, "We damn them to Hell, of course!"
And James looked at Peter oddly. And Peter said, "What?"
"Nothing," said James. "But i suddenly wishest to see thine phone's browser history."
There you go: the Catholic Church as authority and bully, dumping on someone who at least USED to be one of its own, because Mark Peyton walked away from the Church and for utterly just reason. What this tells me, beyond anything else, is that the Church cares far less about its parishioners than it does about its influence over and control of them. The ONLY plus side to this mess is that Father Guidry was tried and convicted of his crimes (FOR ONCE!) and has properly been incarcerated. Meanwhile, Mr. Peyton has found a new spiritual home in an Anglican congregation.
And once again, the RCC hasn't the slightest idea of how badly they screwed up on this one.
While I wonder why Peyton remained a Christian while walking away from the RCC, I have to remember that opening the eyes of one who was in so deep is sometimes a long process. Wherever he and his family end up, I wish only peace and kindness to come their way.
Most nones believe in God. They just don't like the institutions that represent him. So Peyton's choice to switch denominations based on his original denomination's corruption is fairly typical.
The kind of emotional immersion which, from my point of view, is the Catholic Church, may be exceptionally hard to discard at one stroke, though I know some have. For Peyton, it may have to be by multiple steps, if he goes in that direction at all. That he's found a congregation that he feels at home in is a goodness for him.
My father was half again as Catholic as the Pope. He went to his grave convinced you simply could not question anything the church taught. Of course, he didn't have a college credit to his name and never read a book in his life.
OT: So, a couple hours ago I was informed of this: my aunt, my father’s sister, has passed away.
She was one those extremely stubborn type of aunts. See, earlier this month she had a fall while in her house where she lives alone. Fortunately, she had her friend visiting at the time, so she got to ride an ambulance.
The two of them managed to persuade the ambulance to take her a hospital about half an hour away, instead of the one literally 3 minutes away. Wasn’t too serious, because they kept her for observation before discharging her.
My dad managed to convince her to enter a senior’s home. For those who don’t know, such homes usually have two or three live-in care nurses as well as a couple of doctors on call.
Earlier this week she somehow managed to convince them to discharge her and let her head back to her home. Where she lives alone.
Which brings us to now. A neighbour called my dad and told her she didn’t look so good, so he went over to take a look, and…
So he’s been there since, calling the police for the statement, and a hospital to confirm her passing, and the funeral coordinator to manage the rest.
*sigh* Just another reminder that I am woefully under equipped to manage my own life.
Y'know, if Goebbels or Himmler had told me that I was gonna be kicked out of the Nazi Party because I didn't like the way they were treating my Jewish nabors, I wouldn't be appealing to get back into it, I'd be throwing a party and inviting all my friends to join me.
I wasn’t raised with any religion. In my early 20’s I said I was agnostic and the guy I was a painter’s assistant to said that was just a chicken shit atheist 🤣. Then I started reading more philosophy books and it sealed the deal for me. Never turning back and only moving forward over here 👈
It's corporation logic. Peyton is no longer earning the corporation money - and in fact he's telling the people around him that they should send their donations to a competitor - so he's fired. Meanwhile Guidry, even though he's in jail for sexual assault of a minor, continues to try and make money for the corporation. So he's kept on.
TG I'm not Catholic or any other faith. The canon law - sounds so old and obsolete. Of course the letter of the law always rules because the spirit would take them all out for belonging to such a corrupt group. And I'm being silly and don't care at all because they are the molesters and will suffer the fall.
Seriously, for an organization to excommunicate is worse because then you will be cast into outer darkness and be eternally separated from the group. No tears for that. Just say Thank you very much. Religious dogma makes people crazy and enslaved. And believing in nonsense that is completely made up.
The thing to keep in mind is that the Catholic Church is not an organization where its personnel operate at the consent of the parishioners. The hierarchy are the authority; the parishioners are the groundlings , who are expected to pay, pray, and obey, full stop. And to borrow from Stephen Stills, "Step outta line; the man come and take you away," or in other words, excommunication. And, of course, the RCC has so indoctrinated and inculcated their flock with this crap that most if not all of them don't dare to challenge the dicta of the Church.
Since I am up there in years, my wife have been looking into funeral arrangements. One interesting tidbit we found out - let's say that you are married to a member of the RCC. If you have been publicly critical of the RCC then they will not allow you to be buried with your spouse in one of their cemeteries. But, presumably a child predator priest would have no issues getting their own spot in one of their cemeteries. As far as I'm concerned, once the body is dead then just put it into a hefty bag and leave out with the garbage but I suspect I'm in the minority.
My parents' church community has largely turned to cremation, spreading the ashes on a garden plot, and having their name inscribed on one of the stones making up the church. I've gone to several such funerals for people I grew up with (well...their parents mostly). I like the tradition.
If possible, I would like what's left of me to be, for lack of a better term, composted and interred as unprotected as possible, what may be known as a "green" burial. I'd like a tree or some other long-lived flora planted over that site, with a marker:
Could be. I should do more research (I almost said, "Dig into it deeper! [ar-ar!]). Not wild for cremation, since it destroys anything that might be usable to another living thing. If I recall, Neil deGrasse Tyson made much the same expression in a video I saw sometime back.
Right there with you. Once our bodies have expired, they're of no value short of being used for medical/scientific research. Fancy caskets & gravesites, or urns to 'honor' the person make no sense to me. I don't want one person wasting their precious time thinking about me unless it's something of value I taught them. Let me feed the worms!
I always said I just wanted to let the medicos take whatever useful parts I had left and give them to someone who needed them, then put the rest of me out under a tree in the back yard to keep the local critters well fed until my bones crumbled into fertilizer. My wife, however, has other plans involving incineration and Niagara Falls, and she's pretty sure I won't be giving her any backtalk.
My mother donated at her passing, the funeral home was unable to effectively embalm her, so we didn’t get a viewing. My dad wanted a Catholic funeral, so we went to my cousin’s church for that. She was not buried in a Catholic cemetery, but because of my father’s service, she was buried at the state VA cemetery. My dad will be buried with her when it’s his time. I will be confirming with him if he also wants a Catholic service because neither me nor my surviving brother are church goers, I’m atheist and I think he’s just lax. I was a little surprised that my mother didn’t want to be cremated since she cremated my older brother, and it was an issue when my dad reached out to the funeral home she used for my brother because they only did cremations. They were very kind and set us up with their sister company that would do the embalming and burial. Older brother wasn’t very religious either so I doubt he would have minded, but the funeral is not really for the dead, but the mourners. Mom and dad both were raised to be Catholics and were expected to go to services when they were young, but as they had us kids they prioritized it less and less and at the end only went when certain family members were around. I also had conversations with mom about her losing her religion, she hadn’t left completely but was less believing than she had been. I think she clung to it because she wanted to be reunited with her mother and my brother and her siblings and religion promised that. My dad appears to still have some dependence on his religion, despite being quite critical, since he wanted the Catholic service for mom. I’m guessing it’s a similar reason as her’s that he wants to be together in heaven.
Anyway, I prefer to be donated as much as possible and then find a way to make the least negative impact as possible when the remains are discarded. If I’m not part of the total annihilation of the human race in a sudden cataclysmic event. (Which I think would be the best possible way to go, no one left to mourn)
The molestation by the priest is terrible....for the boy and for the parents. I certainly understand their need to move to a different church. What I don't understand is Mr. Peyton's concern over excommunication. But I have a solution....
DA dons red robe with 20 shapes of pasta sewn on, places colander on head, picks up long handled wooden spoon, waves it over a pot of boiling water and pronounces - Abra Kadabra Ala Kazun, your excommunication is undone!
“That’s as much a part of this story as the people involved. Just as we’ve seen with the Cornell 7, sexual abuse scandals aren’t just about the crimes but about the way the institution chooses to respond. Who do they punish? How do they punish them?”
You can’t punish what you want to encourage. And our society is clearly making its desires known. The Epstein Class has always existed, though it’s gone by other names. It has never really been hidden, or at least it was never hidden well. The Catholic Church has always been a main player in the Epstein Class, even as its popularity has waned in the recent past, at one time the Church was the dominant player providing the victims and the cover.
This is how the patriarchy fights the natural order of our instincts, how it oppresses women, how it asserts control over society.
Our country is facing an existential threat, the world is really, but the epicenter is our country at the moment because it has been the dominant power for so long.
It is no surprise that the folks speaking against the molestation are the ones the church is punishing harsher than the one doing the molestation. I mean, if the church didn’t support child rape they would see that a priest raping children would be abandoning the church and excommunicate the priest, they would find a way, at least. But since child rape is an integral part of the priesthood, it’s not a crime against the Church. And if they don’t want people believing that is true, then they know what to do.
1542: The Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition is established
1665: The General Congregation of the Universal Inquisition, in the presence of Pope Alexander VII, reiterates that propositions by confessors to solicit or provoke sex from penitents are "alien and discordant by the Evangelical truth and clearly so by the sixth and seventh doctrines of the Holy Fathers" and are to be "checked, condemned, and prohibited. […] The Inquisitors of Heretical Depravity […] [should] seek out and proceed against everyone – every priest […] who has essayed to tempt a penitent.
1908: The Inquisition is renamed the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office by Pope Pius X.
1965: The Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office is renamed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF).
On 5 June, 2022 the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is renamed the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith (DDF) as part of the restructuring of the Roman Curia by the apostolic constitution Praedicate evangelium. At the same time the Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors became part of this Dicastery, operating with its own staff and according to its own norms
So, it's actually the current version of the Roman Inquisition. Did anybody expect that? And it has gained special responsibility for the protection of minors. Perhaps it has forgotten. I seem to remember a NT verse on the mistreatment of children and a punishment. It involves millstones. (Matthew 18,vi, Mark 9, xlii, and Luke 17,ii).
Almost every movement and institution starts with dreams of changing the world. Unfortunately, the moment after it starts, the primary goal usually changes from revolution or reform to self-preservation.
𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑎𝑙𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑡𝑜 𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑢𝑟𝑣𝑖𝑣𝑎𝑙 𝑜𝑓 𝐼𝑇𝑆𝐸𝐿𝐹.
-- YouTube producer Prplfox
The young man who made that statement, I think over a decade ago, was less than half of my age when he made it. I am not certain I have EVER seen a more cogent observation regarding the nature of religion in my life ... and no, I don't think I'm exaggerating.
That this doesn’t move people OUT of religion altogether is what blows my mind!
This is why religion wants to, in the words of Seth Andrews, "Get 'em while they're young." The indoctrination goes easier, the kids mostly just sop it up, and then they wonder when the suffer from cognitive dissonance when what they've been taught runs headlong into the real world.
And I'll say it again:
𝑊ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑡𝑜𝑥𝑖𝑐 𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑜𝑙𝑜𝑔𝑦 𝑟𝑢𝑛𝑠 ℎ𝑒𝑎𝑑𝑙𝑜𝑛𝑔 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 ℎ𝑢𝑚𝑎𝑛 𝑏𝑒𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑠, 𝑖𝑡 𝑎𝑖𝑛'𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑜𝑙𝑜𝑔𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑔𝑒𝑡𝑠 ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑡.
-- me
Bureaucracies are always driven to self-preservation. It's as true in business and government as it is in religion.
Exactly! I'm a recovering Catholic, now atheist who has researched and seen what the church has become. For centuries they have not followed the teachings of their prophet. They are misogynistic, money changers, hoarding tons of evidence that would destroy them. They sided with a dictator who said he was the "only one" who could save Germany. They claim to be the "only one" religion that can save your soul. This excomunication is a crime against humanity.
In Peyton's case, though, excommunication may actually have been RELIEF. The RCC showed Mark its true face. He recognized that, then turned on his heel and took a walk, whereupon his diocese had a shit-fit and excom'ed him.
Whereupon I have to ask: who was the adult and who the spoiled brat in this incident?
I hope he doesn't feel bad about being excommunicated, because he should view it as a badge of honor. The systematic sexual abuse of children has been the church's dirty little secret for centuries. Before these horrors began making their way into the media the church would circle the wagons, protect the priest, and condemn the victims. That mentality still exists. I don't know why membership in that church isn't down to zero.
Well, if the church would excommunicate myself and my four siblings--each of whom have filed the appropriate paperwork multiple times, including once when all five of us did so (unintentially) on the same day--their membership list would be decreased by five. But, noooo. Apparently, at least in the US, once a catholic, always a catholic, even if you're a long-time atheist, have desecrated holy crackers, "basphemed the holy spirit" in public, assisted in abortions (note the plural here), aaaaand married non-catholics, not baptized kids, and brought up kids as atheists. Not gonna lie, it's fucking hard to get them to kick people out. And, no, I'm not going to trade one delusion for another closely-related one, which seems to be what got their knickers in a twist in this case.
It's long past time to make the RCC...hell, Christianity itself...21 and older. No children allowed. Cut these predators off at the source.
NOGODZ20, In Japan, it is considered a form of psychological child abuse to teach children they can go to hell OR to coerce them into religious participation (U.S. High School football teams etc). It’s called the Child Abuse Prevention Law.
The Japanese are wise. Would that we could learn from them.
Yes, Japan introduced it in 2022.
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“𝐴𝑝𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑙𝑦, 𝑎𝑐𝑐𝑜𝑟𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝐵𝑖𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑝 𝐷𝑒𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑡𝑒𝑙, 𝑓𝑖𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎 𝑓𝑎𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑚𝑢𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑚𝑦 𝑓𝑎𝑚𝑖𝑙𝑦 𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑠ℎ𝑖𝑝 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑣𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑢𝑚𝑎 𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑢𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑠 𝑎 𝑔𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑠𝑐𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑎𝑙 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐷𝑖𝑜𝑐𝑒𝑠𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝐿𝑎𝑓𝑎𝑦𝑒𝑡𝑡𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑒𝑥𝑢𝑎𝑙 𝑎𝑏𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑎 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑. 𝐼 𝑓𝑖𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑑𝑒𝑒𝑝𝑙𝑦 𝑡𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔.”
Troubling, yes. Surprising, no. Walking away threatens their power and cash flow. Abuse is dealt with by the Public Apology to the Ceiling. This is yet one more example showing that their love of power overrides everything else, even protecting children.
Joe-exactly! And that is the problem with the cults of religion period.
One day, Jesus asked his disciples, "If one of you hears a report about a brother that he is sexually assaulting a boy in our congregation, what should you do?"
And James said, "Cast out the wicked priest and report him to the authorities for punishment!"
And Peter said, "Nay! We should forgive the offending priest, transfer him to another location, and quietly pressure and pay off families to preserve our good reputation."
James said, "But then he'll just do it again!"
Peter said, "Then we forgive and transfer him again."
And Jesus said, "But what if his family doth report it to the proper authorities?"
Peter said, "Then we throw a party celebrating our brother priest!"
James said, "What?"
Peter said, "We celebrate all the good the priest has done in the name of our Lord."
And Jesus said, "And if the family departs from you to find healing?"
Peter said, "We damn them to Hell, of course!"
And James looked at Peter oddly. And Peter said, "What?"
"Nothing," said James. "But i suddenly wishest to see thine phone's browser history."
Brilliant!
And Peter answered: "What's a browser?" 🤔
Or maybe "you can look at my browser all you want, so long as you don't open my Grindr app."
There you go: the Catholic Church as authority and bully, dumping on someone who at least USED to be one of its own, because Mark Peyton walked away from the Church and for utterly just reason. What this tells me, beyond anything else, is that the Church cares far less about its parishioners than it does about its influence over and control of them. The ONLY plus side to this mess is that Father Guidry was tried and convicted of his crimes (FOR ONCE!) and has properly been incarcerated. Meanwhile, Mr. Peyton has found a new spiritual home in an Anglican congregation.
And once again, the RCC hasn't the slightest idea of how badly they screwed up on this one.
While I wonder why Peyton remained a Christian while walking away from the RCC, I have to remember that opening the eyes of one who was in so deep is sometimes a long process. Wherever he and his family end up, I wish only peace and kindness to come their way.
Most nones believe in God. They just don't like the institutions that represent him. So Peyton's choice to switch denominations based on his original denomination's corruption is fairly typical.
Thank you for saying that. It’s not a matter of faith, but of dogma, for many. This is why I identify as agnostic.
The kind of emotional immersion which, from my point of view, is the Catholic Church, may be exceptionally hard to discard at one stroke, though I know some have. For Peyton, it may have to be by multiple steps, if he goes in that direction at all. That he's found a congregation that he feels at home in is a goodness for him.
And right now, that is all that matters.
My father was half again as Catholic as the Pope. He went to his grave convinced you simply could not question anything the church taught. Of course, he didn't have a college credit to his name and never read a book in his life.
"I love the poorly educated." Trump ain't the only one to express that sentiment. [sigh]
Sounds like my mom. Who was an elementary-school teacher, goddess help us.
Oh, and she had a Master's degree in Theology from Graduate Theological Union (Franciscan School) In Berkeley, Calif. Make it make sense.
OT: So, a couple hours ago I was informed of this: my aunt, my father’s sister, has passed away.
She was one those extremely stubborn type of aunts. See, earlier this month she had a fall while in her house where she lives alone. Fortunately, she had her friend visiting at the time, so she got to ride an ambulance.
The two of them managed to persuade the ambulance to take her a hospital about half an hour away, instead of the one literally 3 minutes away. Wasn’t too serious, because they kept her for observation before discharging her.
My dad managed to convince her to enter a senior’s home. For those who don’t know, such homes usually have two or three live-in care nurses as well as a couple of doctors on call.
Earlier this week she somehow managed to convince them to discharge her and let her head back to her home. Where she lives alone.
Which brings us to now. A neighbour called my dad and told her she didn’t look so good, so he went over to take a look, and…
So he’s been there since, calling the police for the statement, and a hospital to confirm her passing, and the funeral coordinator to manage the rest.
*sigh* Just another reminder that I am woefully under equipped to manage my own life.
I’m sorry for your loss. But I didn’t see anything in your comment to justify the last sentence. You give every appearance of being fully equipped.
Sorry for your loss. Sending virtual hugs if you consent.
It says "LIKE" but.....
Y'know, if Goebbels or Himmler had told me that I was gonna be kicked out of the Nazi Party because I didn't like the way they were treating my Jewish nabors, I wouldn't be appealing to get back into it, I'd be throwing a party and inviting all my friends to join me.
Himmler said outright that atheists were unfit to be in his SS.
Thank god, eh?
Hint for Scott: It's not just the sect you walked away from, it's the entire cult.
I wasn’t raised with any religion. In my early 20’s I said I was agnostic and the guy I was a painter’s assistant to said that was just a chicken shit atheist 🤣. Then I started reading more philosophy books and it sealed the deal for me. Never turning back and only moving forward over here 👈
Huh....morally bankrupt catholics being morally bankrupt. That never happens! 🤡🤣
𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝐶𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑠 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑒𝑓𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑖𝑡 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑒𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑎𝑤 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑝𝑖𝑟𝑖𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑎𝑤
It's corporation logic. Peyton is no longer earning the corporation money - and in fact he's telling the people around him that they should send their donations to a competitor - so he's fired. Meanwhile Guidry, even though he's in jail for sexual assault of a minor, continues to try and make money for the corporation. So he's kept on.
TG I'm not Catholic or any other faith. The canon law - sounds so old and obsolete. Of course the letter of the law always rules because the spirit would take them all out for belonging to such a corrupt group. And I'm being silly and don't care at all because they are the molesters and will suffer the fall.
Seriously, for an organization to excommunicate is worse because then you will be cast into outer darkness and be eternally separated from the group. No tears for that. Just say Thank you very much. Religious dogma makes people crazy and enslaved. And believing in nonsense that is completely made up.
The thing to keep in mind is that the Catholic Church is not an organization where its personnel operate at the consent of the parishioners. The hierarchy are the authority; the parishioners are the groundlings , who are expected to pay, pray, and obey, full stop. And to borrow from Stephen Stills, "Step outta line; the man come and take you away," or in other words, excommunication. And, of course, the RCC has so indoctrinated and inculcated their flock with this crap that most if not all of them don't dare to challenge the dicta of the Church.
Except for guys like Mark Peyton.
You're very lyrical too
And the Groundlings like squirrels
Will munch up your food
And the words - the dicta of the church
You'd better obey them
Or be left in the lurch
Sorry but not
They're all so exhaustive
I just want to hide
Or go out on my balcony
And smoke up a pride
The highness of smoke
Will cover up the sin
So come here and join me
And we will all win.
And smile and laugh too
For the reptilian believers
Will be made into glue
It's all because of only 2 hours of sleep
So back to my bed now
For 40 hours deep
😴😴
Since I am up there in years, my wife have been looking into funeral arrangements. One interesting tidbit we found out - let's say that you are married to a member of the RCC. If you have been publicly critical of the RCC then they will not allow you to be buried with your spouse in one of their cemeteries. But, presumably a child predator priest would have no issues getting their own spot in one of their cemeteries. As far as I'm concerned, once the body is dead then just put it into a hefty bag and leave out with the garbage but I suspect I'm in the minority.
My parents' church community has largely turned to cremation, spreading the ashes on a garden plot, and having their name inscribed on one of the stones making up the church. I've gone to several such funerals for people I grew up with (well...their parents mostly). I like the tradition.
If possible, I would like what's left of me to be, for lack of a better term, composted and interred as unprotected as possible, what may be known as a "green" burial. I'd like a tree or some other long-lived flora planted over that site, with a marker:
[Troublesh00ter] 1950-20xx "I was glad to help."
I’ll have to do more research but I think a green burial is different from the composting process I mentioned above.
Could be. I should do more research (I almost said, "Dig into it deeper! [ar-ar!]). Not wild for cremation, since it destroys anything that might be usable to another living thing. If I recall, Neil deGrasse Tyson made much the same expression in a video I saw sometime back.
One other RCC thing - they will not allow you to scatter ashes.
FFS why?
'Everyone gets a turn at the shovel' to mix the ashes with the soil is a pretty good way to get closure.
Right there with you. Once our bodies have expired, they're of no value short of being used for medical/scientific research. Fancy caskets & gravesites, or urns to 'honor' the person make no sense to me. I don't want one person wasting their precious time thinking about me unless it's something of value I taught them. Let me feed the worms!
Being mummified or turned into taxidermy would be neat.
I always said I just wanted to let the medicos take whatever useful parts I had left and give them to someone who needed them, then put the rest of me out under a tree in the back yard to keep the local critters well fed until my bones crumbled into fertilizer. My wife, however, has other plans involving incineration and Niagara Falls, and she's pretty sure I won't be giving her any backtalk.
Yes, you have to consider the second-hand value of your corpse.
“ … incineration and Niagara Falls …”
At the same time?
My mother donated at her passing, the funeral home was unable to effectively embalm her, so we didn’t get a viewing. My dad wanted a Catholic funeral, so we went to my cousin’s church for that. She was not buried in a Catholic cemetery, but because of my father’s service, she was buried at the state VA cemetery. My dad will be buried with her when it’s his time. I will be confirming with him if he also wants a Catholic service because neither me nor my surviving brother are church goers, I’m atheist and I think he’s just lax. I was a little surprised that my mother didn’t want to be cremated since she cremated my older brother, and it was an issue when my dad reached out to the funeral home she used for my brother because they only did cremations. They were very kind and set us up with their sister company that would do the embalming and burial. Older brother wasn’t very religious either so I doubt he would have minded, but the funeral is not really for the dead, but the mourners. Mom and dad both were raised to be Catholics and were expected to go to services when they were young, but as they had us kids they prioritized it less and less and at the end only went when certain family members were around. I also had conversations with mom about her losing her religion, she hadn’t left completely but was less believing than she had been. I think she clung to it because she wanted to be reunited with her mother and my brother and her siblings and religion promised that. My dad appears to still have some dependence on his religion, despite being quite critical, since he wanted the Catholic service for mom. I’m guessing it’s a similar reason as her’s that he wants to be together in heaven.
Anyway, I prefer to be donated as much as possible and then find a way to make the least negative impact as possible when the remains are discarded. If I’m not part of the total annihilation of the human race in a sudden cataclysmic event. (Which I think would be the best possible way to go, no one left to mourn)
That's assuming that she outlives you. Do you need to be concerned? LOL!
A few years ago I learned that some states (not including mine) permit a body to be composted. In honor of my veggie garden*, I’m interested in that.
AIUI, the compost cannot be deposited anywhere where food is grown and/or people tend to be.
“Take me to the junkyard in my Cadillac” 🎶
I have to buy a Caddy first though
The molestation by the priest is terrible....for the boy and for the parents. I certainly understand their need to move to a different church. What I don't understand is Mr. Peyton's concern over excommunication. But I have a solution....
DA dons red robe with 20 shapes of pasta sewn on, places colander on head, picks up long handled wooden spoon, waves it over a pot of boiling water and pronounces - Abra Kadabra Ala Kazun, your excommunication is undone!
There, all fixed.
“That’s as much a part of this story as the people involved. Just as we’ve seen with the Cornell 7, sexual abuse scandals aren’t just about the crimes but about the way the institution chooses to respond. Who do they punish? How do they punish them?”
You can’t punish what you want to encourage. And our society is clearly making its desires known. The Epstein Class has always existed, though it’s gone by other names. It has never really been hidden, or at least it was never hidden well. The Catholic Church has always been a main player in the Epstein Class, even as its popularity has waned in the recent past, at one time the Church was the dominant player providing the victims and the cover.
This is how the patriarchy fights the natural order of our instincts, how it oppresses women, how it asserts control over society.
Our country is facing an existential threat, the world is really, but the epicenter is our country at the moment because it has been the dominant power for so long.
It is no surprise that the folks speaking against the molestation are the ones the church is punishing harsher than the one doing the molestation. I mean, if the church didn’t support child rape they would see that a priest raping children would be abandoning the church and excommunicate the priest, they would find a way, at least. But since child rape is an integral part of the priesthood, it’s not a crime against the Church. And if they don’t want people believing that is true, then they know what to do.
Amen
Like me, the RCC seems to love words, for example dicastery. So, I had to look.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dicastery_for_the_Doctrine_of_the_Faith
1542: The Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition is established
1665: The General Congregation of the Universal Inquisition, in the presence of Pope Alexander VII, reiterates that propositions by confessors to solicit or provoke sex from penitents are "alien and discordant by the Evangelical truth and clearly so by the sixth and seventh doctrines of the Holy Fathers" and are to be "checked, condemned, and prohibited. […] The Inquisitors of Heretical Depravity […] [should] seek out and proceed against everyone – every priest […] who has essayed to tempt a penitent.
1908: The Inquisition is renamed the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office by Pope Pius X.
1965: The Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office is renamed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF).
On 5 June, 2022 the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is renamed the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith (DDF) as part of the restructuring of the Roman Curia by the apostolic constitution Praedicate evangelium. At the same time the Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors became part of this Dicastery, operating with its own staff and according to its own norms
So, it's actually the current version of the Roman Inquisition. Did anybody expect that? And it has gained special responsibility for the protection of minors. Perhaps it has forgotten. I seem to remember a NT verse on the mistreatment of children and a punishment. It involves millstones. (Matthew 18,vi, Mark 9, xlii, and Luke 17,ii).