The very fact that ANY church would have to carry sexual liability insurance is phenomenally telling of the current state of evangelical Christianity and the predilection for church leaders to be caught in such compromising situations. I will admit, this is the first I've heard of the need for such insurance, and I would wonder whether it is required in the US as it apparently is in Canada. In any case, it is one more indicator of the devolution of decency of such churches and the tagging of such preachers as Bruxy Cavey as sexual predators, presuming that hasn't already been done.
The insurance is so that a victim gets compensation even if the criminal is poor or the organization decides they'd rather go bankrupt than pay anything.
Same logic as to why most places require car insurance which covers damage to 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑔𝑢𝑦. Not the policy holder's car or health.
"You probably think this insurance is about you." :)
In all the Catholic churches that I have been too as a parishioner I have never heard of this sexual abuse insurance even when I had to go through training to be a lector. It's all about everybody policing each other and nobody still giving a flying f.
Well, you kinda contradicted yourself there. It doesn't tell you anything about any individual Canadian church if all Canadian churches are required by law to have it. I mean, most of us are required by law to have fire and auto insurance. Does that mean you or I are pyromaniacs who barrel down the road trying to hit pedestrians?
Let's keep in mind that "abuse insurance" does not stop abuse. It merely pays out on lawsuits. I know this is obvious but it's telling to me that this church is so afraid of future lawsuits that it can't operate without this insurance.
Never heard of it before this, but in hindsight I'd guess it's quite common and I'm now betting most school districts and large corporations have it. Who knows, it may even be required by law in some cases.
Meeting House Church: "But, but we've made POSITIVE changes. Positive ones!"
Insurers: "Past behavior is the best indicator of future performance. Coverage denied!"
Also, Hemant is absolutely right, this place doesn't deserve an iota of credit. They're not willing to operate without abuse liability insurance because that would put them directly on the hook for damages. This isn't them being responsible; it's them covering their asses.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Paul apparently had an issue with same sex relationships. But I imagine the idea is that they received "due penalty" from God, not mere mortals.
Paul had a problem with ALL sex. To him, marriage was a last resort for those who could not control their lusts. Celibacy and even self-castration were best for xtians. Self-castration reached epidemic levels, driving the church to deny "mutilated genitals" entrance to heaven.
Good for the insurers saying enough is enough. And still it's all about working with those insurers than any kind of apology for wrong doing for the abuse. The parishioners still there are permitting the abuse and giving the victims the finger. Just another day in the life of a church fallen from grace.
It makes me worry about how many parishioners aren't just permitting the abuse and are hoping to move up in the ranks so they can help perpetrate the abuse.
In any church the higher up you are the more protection you have. In the last church I went to a very rich older male parishioner laid his hands on a choir boy and all the rich entitled parishioner had to do was redecorate the church. Cost him millions but he had it. And then was allowed to work with the choir boys again. The Pastor knew and he's still the Pastor there. Rich and male in the Catholic Church and you can do anything and get away with it.
Indeed. Or at least the leadership. It should be pretty trivial to come up with a policy that insurers will back. Hire an appropriate legal counsel that has experience fashioning working policies for schools and businesses, and create rules following that person's advice.
The fact that the church leadership is unwilling to do this says a lot. None of it positive. At the very least, it probably means that abuse wasn't limited to the guy who's been caught, but that there are people still in the church leadership who consider an effective policy to be a threat to them.
I never knew their was such a thing as abuse insurance, but hallelujah! I hope this church never reopens, and some people go to jail. People who leave churches often realize they never needed church in the first place. I think it is a bad idea, generally, to delegate one's thinking to other people, and especially not to someone who claims to speak for a supernatural deity. Humans are natural born herd animals, and it's one of the things that keeps churches in business. There are better ways to have social interaction and people need to seek them out.
I just noticed that the alleged perp’s Leviticus tattoo has a cross where the t should (yes, yes, a cross is a t but this t is a Cross). Which is an anachronism. No one would have had a reason when Leviticus was being written down to think about crosses.
Looks like Labour is going to win big in the UK. Let's hope they can do something with it instead of frittering it away. Going for a run after four days of rain. It will be muddy – wish me luck. 😁
The very fact that ANY church would have to carry sexual liability insurance is phenomenally telling of the current state of evangelical Christianity and the predilection for church leaders to be caught in such compromising situations. I will admit, this is the first I've heard of the need for such insurance, and I would wonder whether it is required in the US as it apparently is in Canada. In any case, it is one more indicator of the devolution of decency of such churches and the tagging of such preachers as Bruxy Cavey as sexual predators, presuming that hasn't already been done.
It is the very least to be done.
Right? Who knew there was such a thing as liability for sexual abuse insurance??
And *WHY* is there such a thing? I didn't think it was possible to get insurance for illegal acts.
The insurance is so that a victim gets compensation even if the criminal is poor or the organization decides they'd rather go bankrupt than pay anything.
Same logic as to why most places require car insurance which covers damage to 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑔𝑢𝑦. Not the policy holder's car or health.
"You probably think this insurance is about you." :)
Such liability insurance covers the organization from actions by staff/volunteers/etc.
And why don't American churches have to have it (or do they?)?
In all the Catholic churches that I have been too as a parishioner I have never heard of this sexual abuse insurance even when I had to go through training to be a lector. It's all about everybody policing each other and nobody still giving a flying f.
Maybe not the rcc, since they file for bankruptcy every time they lose in court for rape and abuse.
I was surprised to see my local church had a lightning conductor and fire extinguishers, but I was younger then.
Well, you kinda contradicted yourself there. It doesn't tell you anything about any individual Canadian church if all Canadian churches are required by law to have it. I mean, most of us are required by law to have fire and auto insurance. Does that mean you or I are pyromaniacs who barrel down the road trying to hit pedestrians?
Those stories of my cab driving days are purely fictional and intended only to amuse. O_o
Out of curiosity, I looked up Leviticus 19:28 which Bruxy Cavey has tattooed on his arm:
"You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the Lord."
Wait, what?
Leviticus only counts if it's against the same people you hate.
He's trying to show how edgy he is. The Bible says no tattoos? Watch this!
Let's keep in mind that "abuse insurance" does not stop abuse. It merely pays out on lawsuits. I know this is obvious but it's telling to me that this church is so afraid of future lawsuits that it can't operate without this insurance.
Hey, it’s the cost of doing business…
You can get abuse liability insurance? That's fucking insane. And not in a good way.
"Money has no smell."
Never heard of it before this, but in hindsight I'd guess it's quite common and I'm now betting most school districts and large corporations have it. Who knows, it may even be required by law in some cases.
𝐶𝑎𝑣𝑒𝑦 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑠𝑜𝑜𝑛 𝑔𝑜 𝑜𝑛 𝑡𝑟𝑖𝑎𝑙 𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑟𝑒𝑒 𝑠𝑒𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑔𝑒𝑠. (𝐻𝑒 𝑚𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠 ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑖𝑛𝑛𝑜𝑐𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒.)
𝐼𝑛𝑠𝑢𝑟𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑚𝑎𝑦 𝑑𝑒𝑐𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑣𝑖𝑑𝑒 𝑙𝑖𝑎𝑏𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑐𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑔𝑒 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑑𝑜𝑛’𝑡 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑠𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑑 𝑝𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑡𝑜 ℎ𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑙𝑒 𝑎𝑏𝑢𝑠𝑒.
I guess the "Christian" insurers want the abuse policy to require the Public Apology to the Ceiling to happen 𝘣𝘦𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘦 conviction, not 𝘢𝘧𝘵𝘦𝘳.
https://themeetinghouse.com/
'...we still sense that God is guiding us in a different direction.'
To oblivion if there's any justice.
'...we still delude ourselves that God is guiding us in a different direction.'
Fixed It For THEM.
jUSTICE under THEM.
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"Now things have hit rock bottom."
And out come the excavators.
Let the drilling and blasting commence.
Consult the Book of Armaments
Chapter 2, Verses 9 to 21.
Make very sure to get the counting right on the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
https://info.publicintelligence.net/USArmy-Explosives.pdf
US Army gave me lots of explosives to play with, Vietnam era. Dynamite, C4, helicopters, machine guns, APCs, night scopes, rappelling.
Meeting House Church: "But, but we've made POSITIVE changes. Positive ones!"
Insurers: "Past behavior is the best indicator of future performance. Coverage denied!"
Also, Hemant is absolutely right, this place doesn't deserve an iota of credit. They're not willing to operate without abuse liability insurance because that would put them directly on the hook for damages. This isn't them being responsible; it's them covering their asses.
"Positive changes" that make it harder to file complaints.
No complaints, no abuse!
Presto! It's like magic.
Old Testament quoters, especially of Leviticus, really piss me off.
Especially when Christians claim "The Old Law' doesn't apply to them anymore.
If that's so then stop trying to use it to persecute LGBTQs.
"But Romans 1:26-27 condemns teh gayz!" Nope, Paul of Tarsus didn't want ANYONE fucking.
One can wonder if someone couldn't get it up and was jealous.
gawd toold kkkatliks one wife and alcohol is good, then told muslims 4 wives and NO alcohol. WTF?
It also told kkkatliks wine and dancing are good, then told baptists they are evil. WTF?
Micro pee pee.
Romans 1:26-27
New International Version
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Paul apparently had an issue with same sex relationships. But I imagine the idea is that they received "due penalty" from God, not mere mortals.
Paul had a problem with ALL sex. To him, marriage was a last resort for those who could not control their lusts. Celibacy and even self-castration were best for xtians. Self-castration reached epidemic levels, driving the church to deny "mutilated genitals" entrance to heaven.
I've never understood exactly what "God gave them over to" means. Is that pretentious Bible-speak for "God gave them free will?"
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I’ve often wondered if the verse about women referred to anal sex, oral sex, homosexual sex or any combo of those three. Paul was rather vague.
ETA: I left off a few. Orgies, hand jobs, tit jobs…. Going to Pornhub to do some research.
Yep. It's all context-less cherry picking hypocrisy. "Judge not lest ye be judged." " Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" etc etc etc.
The ot pertains ONLY to Gays. All others are exempt.
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If the OT is narrowed down to just teh gayz, then xtians lose their origin story (both of them) and the Ten Commandments.
ASK ME if I give an aeronautical intercourse in a rolling perforated pastry.
Schrodinger's Testament.
I'll GLADLY accept the 10 commandments in schools, the MOMENT they mandate teaching evolution in church.
OT - Triffid
https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap240704.html
"Feed me, Seymour!"
Good for the insurers saying enough is enough. And still it's all about working with those insurers than any kind of apology for wrong doing for the abuse. The parishioners still there are permitting the abuse and giving the victims the finger. Just another day in the life of a church fallen from grace.
It makes me worry about how many parishioners aren't just permitting the abuse and are hoping to move up in the ranks so they can help perpetrate the abuse.
In any church the higher up you are the more protection you have. In the last church I went to a very rich older male parishioner laid his hands on a choir boy and all the rich entitled parishioner had to do was redecorate the church. Cost him millions but he had it. And then was allowed to work with the choir boys again. The Pastor knew and he's still the Pastor there. Rich and male in the Catholic Church and you can do anything and get away with it.
And your statement isn’t even hyperbole.
Nope no extravagant exagerations. Just what goes on in most Catholic churches these days.
𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑟𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑐ℎ 𝑤𝑎𝑠—𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑟𝑒𝑚𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠—𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑏𝑙𝑒𝑚.
Indeed. Or at least the leadership. It should be pretty trivial to come up with a policy that insurers will back. Hire an appropriate legal counsel that has experience fashioning working policies for schools and businesses, and create rules following that person's advice.
The fact that the church leadership is unwilling to do this says a lot. None of it positive. At the very least, it probably means that abuse wasn't limited to the guy who's been caught, but that there are people still in the church leadership who consider an effective policy to be a threat to them.
My guess is there's hundreds of victims stretching back decades.
I never knew their was such a thing as abuse insurance, but hallelujah! I hope this church never reopens, and some people go to jail. People who leave churches often realize they never needed church in the first place. I think it is a bad idea, generally, to delegate one's thinking to other people, and especially not to someone who claims to speak for a supernatural deity. Humans are natural born herd animals, and it's one of the things that keeps churches in business. There are better ways to have social interaction and people need to seek them out.
I just noticed that the alleged perp’s Leviticus tattoo has a cross where the t should (yes, yes, a cross is a t but this t is a Cross). Which is an anachronism. No one would have had a reason when Leviticus was being written down to think about crosses.
Looks like Labour is going to win big in the UK. Let's hope they can do something with it instead of frittering it away. Going for a run after four days of rain. It will be muddy – wish me luck. 😁
Break a leg. Oh...that's for acting. Never mind.