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NOGODZ20's avatar

Once again, the religious claim of "protecting children" rings hollow.

Joe King's avatar

We all know that their idea of "protecting children" is forcing childbirth then mandatory indoctrination for easier exploitation.

Troublesh00ter's avatar

This is, of course, the ANTITHESIS of protecting children ... AND adults, for that matter. Sadly, this is also what happens when religion [read: Christianity] so dominates one's thinking that logic and reason are forced to take second seat, if that.

This continued moving backward by some states is truly frightening.

Secular Strike Back's avatar

Terribly frightening indeed.

Daniel Rotter's avatar

And of being concerned about the spreading of diseases (a common argument they use against homosexuals and homosexuality).

NOGODZ20's avatar

They forget that when AIDS first hit, there were THREE groups affected:

* Haitians

* Intravenous drug users

* Gay people (predominantly men)

The bigots ignored the first to and just heard the last one. They also forgot that AIDS among lesbians was virtually unknown.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

I'm not sure they believe lesbians, and trans men are real. It seems they think they have a magic penis that would turn them hetero if they ever got a chance to rape them. Also they think (and this is from years of hearing it) two women really just want them, and are "making do" with each other, and they can jump in the middle at any opportunity.

Hannah's avatar

UGH, yeah, I am sure I am waiting for some guy.

Still waiting... checks self... nope, nothing.

Lynn Veit's avatar

Spot on. They just cannot believe some women would rather be with another woman than with them, or even utterly alone than with them. How dare those sluts refuse his magical "powers of persuasion."

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

I occasionally have a girlfriend, that gets this treatment. It is funny at first, then I realize they are serious.

XJC's avatar
Nov 30Edited

You know the old 1980s trope when AIDS showed up:

What's the hardest part of having AIDS?

Convincing your mother you're Haitian.

Bensnewlogin's avatar

As I always said when one of those so-called Christians was busy wagging his finger and up chucking from his pie hole, by your logic, lesbians would be God’s chosen people.

Patricia Kayden's avatar

All they care about is forced births. What happens to children is not their concern.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

The republicans seem (by the numbers of them arrested) to want them to molest them, forced birth gives them many more victims, moms that work all the time to feed, and support those forced births, can't protect their other kids they already had, from predators.

Lynn Veit's avatar

And moms that have to work all the time have little energy for fighting back, and are easy to coercive and manipulate.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

Especially if it means they all get thrown out in the street to be homeless. Molesters deliberately pick women with children to exploit.

Secular Strike Back's avatar

The religious only care about the unborn. Once your alive, forget it. Then they would rather see a child sick and starve rather than help children live and thrive in the world and grow up right. They care more about their beliefs than they do for the rights of others. They totally ignore the whole "love thy neighbor" thing. And the only time they do care about children is when they can indoctrinate them into gullible little beings for their own selfish wants.

NOGODZ20's avatar

Perhaps we should stop calling them anti-vaxxers and call them what they truly are: pro-plaguers.

Joe King's avatar

For the same reason we call them forced birthers.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

Yes, because it is more accurate.

Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Chew toy lower in the thread. Go for it quick because I am about to invoke the boss.

Boreal's avatar

Please do. What an ignorant POS. They only have the luxury of vaccine denial because the majority of the population is vaccinated.

Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Hemant accidentally triggered my phobia with the picture. I am not exactly in a good mood now.

Boreal's avatar

Me either. Polio affected two members of my family with lifelong consequences. Anti-vaxxers are the worst of the science denying trash on the planet.

Die Anyway's avatar

I have a cousin who contracted polio in the 1950s.

She was lucky in the sense that it only paralyzed one arm and she has been able to lead a normal life with only a slight disability.

Whitney's avatar

I suspect that might be part of the problem, actually. Some of these diseases are passing out of living memory, and as a result, younger generations aren't taking them seriously anymore.

Matri's avatar

Isn’t RFKJr old enough to have lived through it himself?

Troublesh00ter's avatar

If you need to take a break, please do so. I think I can speak for all the regulars here when I say we care about how you are.

Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Thanks, it will pass*, I just have to remember not to read the post again.

* I am reading to try to calm down.

Whitney's avatar

I know it's been a bit now, but consider this a virtual hug anyway. Hope you're feeling better!

NOGODZ20's avatar

Done. Not that it will change chew toy's "mind."

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

It's probably a bot like from the recent expose on twatter, from some third world country. There are a ton of them lately, they have either three initials and post obvious spam, or just a first name, and when you look at the profile they will have 3 or 4 other bot accounts subscribers to fake being legit.

NOGODZ20's avatar

Sounds exhausting.

Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

I hope you took screenshots.

Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Look in the thread and you can take them yourself.

RegularJoe's avatar

I call them plague rats.

(On FB be careful to refer to them in the third person else you might get suspended for 'bullying'.)

NOGODZ20's avatar

Luckily, FB and I have an understanding. I don't go there, so they don't bother me. An equitable agreement.

XJC's avatar

Use your pronouns and they'll really get angry.

RegularJoe's avatar

Oh, like 𝑰, 𝒎𝒆, sometimes 𝒘𝒆/𝒖𝒔...got it.

😉

regmeyer's avatar

All part of their plan to bring about ZPG.

Lynn Veit's avatar

Right. Gotta conserve those resources for the "right" people.

NOGODZ20's avatar

We keep saying it and it continues to be true: Religion is poison. Religion kills.

Troublesh00ter's avatar

I wouldn't want to be a kid in West Virginia right now, vaccinated or not. Governor Morrisey just made the Mountain State one hell of a lot more dangerous for anyone, child or adult, with a compromised immune system or in a family that doesn't believe in inoculation. I mean it when I say this genuinely makes me sad. It also reminds me of a quote that I think is entirely on point:

𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑎 𝑐𝑢𝑙𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑖𝑔𝑛𝑜𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑈𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑆𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑙𝑤𝑎𝑦𝑠 ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑏𝑒𝑒𝑛. 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑖𝑛 𝑜𝑓 𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑖-𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑠𝑚 ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑏𝑒𝑒𝑛 𝑎 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑑 𝑤𝑖𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑖𝑡𝑠 𝑤𝑎𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑔ℎ 𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑝𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑙 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑐𝑢𝑙𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑎𝑙 𝑙𝑖𝑓𝑒, 𝑛𝑢𝑟𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑎𝑙𝑠𝑒 𝑛𝑜𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑑𝑒𝑚𝑜𝑐𝑟𝑎𝑐𝑦 𝑚𝑒𝑎𝑛𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡: "𝑀𝑦 𝑖𝑔𝑛𝑜𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑎𝑠 𝑔𝑜𝑜𝑑 𝑎𝑠 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤𝑙𝑒𝑑𝑔𝑒."

-- Isaac Asimov

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

Don't they have a high incidence of cancers of all kinds? That doesn't bode well for the elderly either.

Troublesh00ter's avatar

Cancer I wouldn't know about, though I could look it up.

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis is another matter.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

Yes black lung, but I thought I read they have a lot of different types of cancer there.

Hannah's avatar

Always a pleasure to hear my guy Asimov. Tx.

Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

The GOP, the Heritage Foundation, Putin, and other actors on our government are looking to kill anyone not wealthy, white and Christian. Being only one of these won’t protect you, and the most important one is wealthy, but not just wealthy, you have to be ridiculously wealthy. These monsters are setting up the USA to be quite impossible for anyone not them to live. Removing social safety nets, removing access to healthcare, undermining worker rights and pay, and even removing public safety in the form of these changes to vaccine mandates, but also food safety regulations, pollution regs and so many other things. The problem is, with the rabble dead, who will do the work they don’t want to do (all of it)? What will they breathe, eat and drink, once the pollution has destroyed the environment? How will they survive once they’ve destroyed everything?

They’re just setting us all up to be their slaves. They’ll replace us by making us breed, we’re just tools to them.

Boreal's avatar

Feudal capitalism.

Linda's avatar

I think they are aiming for all poor women and children to work the fields. The new coalition should be, “Those of us who believe in this world”.

Boreal's avatar

When Miranda Guzman and her fellow morons are faced with children sick or dying from a preventable disease, she will blame liberals.

Troublesh00ter's avatar

Of course. Blame ANYONE but the culpable parties.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

That's how thoroughly the dupes are brainwashed.

XJC's avatar

Vegas has even money on that bet. Stupid +3.

Jane in NC's avatar

Don't tell me you're 'pro-life' and then pull this shit. HALF of West Virginia's state budget comes directly from our federal tax dollars. It's about time blue donor states stopped funding the religious and scientific ignorance of moocher red states.

Matri's avatar

This! Red states want to secede so badly, PLEASE DO SO!

Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

After they pay off their share of the national debt based on population.

RegularJoe's avatar

Refusing to vaccinate your children should be prima facie for child neglect and such children should be immediately removed from the parent(s) and given appropriate medical care. The parents should then be prosecuted.

It's not rocket surgery, harmful stupidity should cost dearly.

Troublesh00ter's avatar

Exactly. And once again we run into the age-old problem:

𝑇ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑑𝑜 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑚𝑒𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑎𝑠𝑡 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑚𝑛𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑝𝑒𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑡.

-- George Santayana

Boreal's avatar

All it takes is a generation without memory of the disease for the ignorant to discount its danger. My grandparents lived through the flu pandemic of 1918 and used to tell us about it when we were children.

Joe King's avatar

Some of these people are so willfully ignorant that they refuse to accept the truth 𝘥𝘦𝘴𝘱𝘪𝘵𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘭𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩 𝘢 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘥𝘭𝘺 𝘱𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘮𝘪𝘤.

Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

You mean the slight cold season a few years ago? They all would have died anyway.

Die Anyway's avatar

Eat well, stay fit, die anyway!

Lynn Veit's avatar

That was a hoax cooked up by the Biden Crime Family and other libruls to make Trump look bad so they could poison all his supporters with vaccines that give you a magnetic personality and make you autistic.

Boreal's avatar

Yeah, that too. Unless it happens to them personally, it wasn't dangerous.

🙄

Troublesh00ter's avatar

As with so many other things, this is an education issue, one which is never-ending and utterly necessary. George Santayana was probably more prescient than he knew when he spoke those words.

And it's our responsibility and our children's to make that happen.

Joe King's avatar

There are pictures. There are first-hand accounts. There are graves. There is no excuse for not being aware of the history. The anti-vax wing of the NSGOP is also opposed to teaching accurate history for a reason.

NOGODZ20's avatar

Unfortunately, there are idiots who still deny the Holocaust happened despite the tons of evidence.

Some people need to be slapped upside the head for their willful ignorance.

Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Or call it "un détail de l'histoire", la peine père, asshole extraordinaire.

Lynn Veit's avatar

I'd say slap them upside the head with a Louisville Slugger. They pose a danger to everyone in their vicinity.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

Yes. This is why they teach such an "American exceptionalist" version of history, and the right-wingers want to white-wash it even more.

Lynn Veit's avatar

I was in junior high before I even heard of female scientists other than Madame Curie. That was when I ran across a set of volumes in the school library that contained bios of scores of women scientists and their contributions/discoveries. I wondered why they had never been mentioned in class.

When it came to American history, same thing. The only woman I had ever heard of connection with the American Revolution was Betsy Ross -- and on through history, it seemed the only women mentioned were wives of the more famous presidents. It was the menfolk that did all the heavy lifting of building a country, and the womenfolk didn't matter unless they were married to Important Men. It was a boys' party and the gals were just along for the ride, because they were all such fragile, delicate creatures.

Then one day when I was in the library looking for a book on Florence Nightingale, I stumbled across a biography of Heddy Lamarr, and soon discovered a whole slew of books about women of WWII -- besides the fictional Rosie the Riveter.

In literature, I read about George Sand and George Eliot and all the other women writers of the past who had to use male pseudonyms if they wanted to publish anything.

For the next four years of high school, that was sort of my hobby, looking for books about women who should have been famous, but weren't.

By the time I reached college and took my first Women's Studies class, I realized I had barely scratched the surface. As amazing as it was to read about all these women and their accomplishments, it was also disheartening to see how thoroughly so women had been erased from history, and that it was very intentional. And it wasn't just women, it was also African Americans, Native Americans, and the LGBTQ community, and basically any demographic that wasn't conservative cis-het white anglo-saxon protestant men

regmeyer's avatar

Part of remembering that past ie;polio lead me to 40 years working in Virology.

Matri's avatar

And those who suppress the past want to repeat it.

Troublesh00ter's avatar

Oh, do they ever. Holocaust deniers, anyone?

Joe King's avatar

𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑑 𝑑𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑑𝑒𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑜𝑛𝑔 𝑣𝑎𝑐𝑐𝑖𝑛𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑟𝑒𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑘𝑒𝑝𝑡 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑚𝑢𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑠𝑎𝑓𝑒. 𝐵𝑢𝑡 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑎 𝑚𝑎𝑗𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑜𝑓 𝑊𝑒𝑠𝑡 𝑉𝑖𝑟𝑔𝑖𝑛𝑖𝑎 𝑣𝑜𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑓𝑒𝑟 𝑖𝑔𝑛𝑜𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑒𝑥𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑡𝑖𝑠𝑒, 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑛𝑜 𝑙𝑜𝑛𝑔𝑒𝑟 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑎 𝑔𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑑𝑒𝑓𝑒𝑛𝑑 𝑝𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑐 ℎ𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑡ℎ 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑖𝑟𝑟𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑎𝑙 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑣𝑜𝑖𝑐𝑒𝑠.

Willful ignorance is a byproduct of the religious indoctrination. So many people there are wilfully ignorant of science and history that they proclaim themselves proud southerners, forgetting the fact that they only exist as a state separate from Virginia because they chose to be part of the north.

They hate vaccines because the covid vaccine mandate came during the Biden administration, and since it was a Democrat telling them what to do, that made it evil and anti-Christian. The historically high vaccination rates in WV show that the anti-vax sentiment there is tied closely to the fusion of conservative Christianity and the NSGOP.

Patricia Kayden's avatar

“Congratulations, West Virginia. Your kids are in danger because conservatives love measles and polio more than healthy children.”

Yep. This a million times.

Troublesh00ter's avatar

And because apparently, they are more afraid of a god they can't substantiate than they fear diseases which are all too evident.

If there is logic in all of that, I can't find it.

John Smith's avatar

Christians don’t do logic, critical thinking, introspection, or reality very well!

Christian fascist think the more ignorant and obedient one is, more of a “true believer “ you are!

justifiable's avatar

"Jesus wasn't vaccinated"? Yup, zero logic. With finger guns,

https://xcancel.com/ChristnNitemare/status/1156604210538057728

Bensnewlogin's avatar

I. Can’t. Even.

There was a meme circulating during the pandemic. first line said “you can’t fix stupid”. The second line was a cartoon Covid virus saying, “I can fix stupid.”

So one woman is worried about offending God, and everyone else gets to suffer, because that’s what God wants. According to her.

I’m sure everyone else is saying this, but I’ll say it. I feel sorry for the kids. For everyone else, I ran out of fucks to give a long time ago. My local major Metropolitan newspaper published a letter from me a while ago on this very subject, although they did delete some of the juicier parts. They didn’t print the part about the “kleptocratic kakistocracy’ that is currently running our country. Perhaps because I didn’t spell it properly: Kkkleptocratic kkakistocracy”.

Religious freedom is now like gun freedom. You have the freedom to own as many guns of whatever type and lethality you wish, and no one else’s rights, even the right to stay alive, matter. You can believe whatever you wish, and if you claim that your religious rights are being violated, to hell with everybody else’s rights—not to get sick, not to have their kids get sick,not to lose work—those rights don’t matter.

50 years of red states republican governance, and their lives are not better for it. They STILL rank atthe lowest levels of every measure of social health and well-being.

As a society, we are sick.

In more ways than one.

Troublesh00ter's avatar

𝑆𝑡𝑢𝑝𝑖𝑑𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑐𝑎𝑛𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑏𝑒 𝑐𝑢𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑚𝑜𝑛𝑒𝑦, 𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑔ℎ 𝑒𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛, 𝑜𝑟 𝑏𝑦 𝑙𝑒𝑔𝑖𝑠𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛. 𝑆𝑡𝑢𝑝𝑖𝑑𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑖𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑎 𝑠𝑖𝑛; 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑣𝑖𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑚 𝑐𝑎𝑛'𝑡 ℎ𝑒𝑙𝑝 𝑏𝑒𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑝𝑖𝑑. 𝐵𝑢𝑡 𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑝𝑖𝑑𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑖𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑛𝑙𝑦 𝑢𝑛𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑎𝑙 𝑐𝑎𝑝𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑙 𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑚𝑒; 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑑𝑒𝑎𝑡ℎ, 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑛𝑜 𝑎𝑝𝑝𝑒𝑎𝑙, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑒𝑥𝑒𝑐𝑢𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑖𝑠 𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑟𝑖𝑒𝑑 𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑎𝑢𝑡𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑝𝑖𝑡𝑦.

-- Robert A. Heinlein, The Notebooks of Lazarus Long

Sadly, there have evolved more pernicious and persistent strains of stupidity since Bob's time, and we are stuck with having to deal with their ignorant cluelessness, until their continued lack of understanding catches fatally up with them.

Bensnewlogin's avatar

We can only hope they get their wish and go to see their god soon. I feel sorry for the kids who will never have a full life, but I can’t do anything about it.

Troublesh00ter's avatar

Seeing a god that doesn't exist. That'd be a trick. 😝

Bensnewlogin's avatar

But we are told that God can do anything*. So even if he doesn’t exist, he can exist.

*except say HELLO!

larry parker's avatar

"Hello, is it me you're looking for?"

Bensnewlogin's avatar

Oh my god. Its god! And he's speaking to me on this Internet thingy

dammit barry's avatar

Even stupider is imaginary enemies.

dammit barry's avatar

gordamitee always sides with the tyrant.

Chris Cohlmeyer's avatar

The parents of those who cannot be vaccinated due to medical reasons need to file a suit demanding that schools that they attend have 100% vaccination rates for all other students.

John Dolan's avatar

Last time I looked there were no vaccines during the Bronze Age so how does the religious doctrine legal rationale work with religious orders founded during this time frame?

Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

I actually heard a creationist (Carl Baugh, on Creation in the 21st Century) claim that before the fall, rattlesnakes would use their fangs for inoculations. Against what was never said.

larry parker's avatar

T-rex used their teeth to crack open coconuts.

Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

Then the unicorns put the lime in.

larry parker's avatar

If you get bit in the summer, you're ok. But if it's after September look out.

dammit barry's avatar

A lot of people died very young. That was god's design. Nobody survived many diseases. And god just laid back, jacking off s it watched kids being raped by priests.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

They pull it out of their posterior, like they do with every other lie they perpetuate.

larry parker's avatar

That trick (religious doctrine) has never worked.

Kay-El's avatar

WV will be enjoying their measles outbreak much like Texas did. When their kids catch it will a god be there to intervene or will they go against their faith in the supposed infallible god and head to a hospital?

Kay-El's avatar

7 rural hospitals in danger of closing and not getting vaccinated is a recipe for a humongous epidemic and health disaster. Mortuaries will do a fine business. 🙄

Boreal's avatar

Oops. They are about to have the day the voted for.

Linda S.'s avatar

"Deep red state" tells you everything you need to know about the population! Least educated, high in poverty with the lowest ranked healthcare and therefote the least able to deal with disease outbreaks.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

And politicians determined to keep it that way, as they steal everything not nailed down.