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oraxx's avatar

As much as anything, these efforts to force religion into the public school classroom are a tacit admission of just how weak the Christian message really is. Why is it ever acceptable to present something to children as fact an educated adult would most likely reject if hearing it for the first time? It isn't limited to Christianity. Religions of all stripes know they have to get to children before they've reached the age of reason if their sect is going to survive. There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest these superficial appeals to religiosity ever resulted in better people.

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OMGeneres's avatar

My (step)kids were raised without religion. When they started questioning, their mother and I would tell them about Catholic beliefs. They all thought we were making it up.

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oraxx's avatar

There was a group of Catholic kids I grew up with who never moved beyond the magical thinking and the special pleading we were indoctrinated with as children. As much as it disturbs me, it helps explain what thinking people are up agains.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Well stated, oraxx

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Wookiee Monster's avatar

The only reason why they want posters in schools is because they can’t burn heretics at the stake anymore.

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John Smith's avatar

Not yet, but give the fundies rednecks time. I am sure the rednecks would bring back all the rules and torture of the Early Medieval Era where the religious clergy had total control over people’s lives and serfdom was the norm.

However, these same rednecks would also love to bring back slavery. Thomas Clarence shouldn’t be surprised when he (Clarence) is push out of his position and either has to go back picking cotton or if he is too uppity found hanging from a tree branch by a short rope.

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Boreal's avatar

If your god and his message are so appealing, why can’t he show up in person to deliver it?

#omnipotencefail

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

𝑆𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑑𝑜𝑒𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑒𝑥𝑖𝑠𝑡 𝑐𝑎𝑛𝑛𝑜𝑡 ℎ𝑒𝑙𝑝 𝑢𝑠, 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑐ℎ𝑟𝑜𝑛𝑖𝑐 𝑑𝑒𝑝𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑜𝑛 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑓𝑎𝑖𝑙𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑒𝑥𝑖𝑠𝑡 𝑑𝑜𝑒𝑠 𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑣𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑚 𝑡𝑜 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑜𝑓 𝑢𝑠.

-- me

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

If they were so appealing, they wouldn’t have to legislate to have them plastered all over. Folks would just already be living by them, want to put them up everywhere (like the “live, laugh, love” pablum) all on their own.

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

OT, but I saw this weekend there will be "Kick Out The Clowns" rallies with street circuses and people in clown costumes. Better get the freaky sex circus warmed up.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

Yeah, I saw a fb ad with the circus tent made up of brightly colored port-o-potties. That’s a big turnoff for me.

The rallies are spot on though, might just have to head out myself. I have a clown suit from a previous Halloween.

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oraxx's avatar

He works in mysterious ways. Everyone knows that. /s One of the greatest excuses Christian apologists ever came up with.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑜𝑟𝑑 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘𝑠 𝑖𝑛 𝑑𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑟𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑤𝑎𝑦𝑠.

-- Aron Ra

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Richard S. Russell's avatar

A question that's been asked for quite some time now. “If He has spoken, why is the universe not convinced?”

—Percy Bysshe Shelley (1792–1822), English poet, husband of Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, “The Necessity of Atheism”

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

If he has spoken (and I don't believe for a second that he has!), it's been to a select few, and they have the hardest time proving that he did.

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Lynn Veit's avatar

And just coincidentally, these select few are the ones He has told to be in charge of everything.

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dammit barry's avatar

Allah demands death to all apostates and infidels. The KKKrister gods do the same. Yayway the same. So we are ALL going to someone's hell. Do we rotate among hells? Do we change hells every billion years Trillion years?

I have loved a man. I have had sex with many. Now god will burn me for billions and trillions of years for a few moments of pleasure? Fuck you god. If you are going to torture me forever, I get to call you the hateful asshole you are. Now go shove giant Ebola infected cacti up your asshole, jesus

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John Smith's avatar

Jeezyboy might like that!

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Nevoustrumpezpas's avatar

I'm waiting for someone to develop AI Jesus to deliver that message. Sacred YouTube.

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Munchygut's avatar

I'm thinkin' Joel Oostien

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

😂😂😂

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Charles Shoemaker's avatar

In all the depictions of Moses and the Tablets, the writing on those tablets was in Hebrew. Maybe the tablet copies in schools should use the original, authentic Hebrew as well.

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avis piscivorus's avatar

That's because in the time Moses lived the people could not yet understand the original King James English in wich the bible was written and had to use a Hebrew translation.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

That would involve some learnin’, Charles, so, no.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Again with the Ten Commandments? Doesn't Arkansas have real issues to deal with? Huckster recently got turned down for help to deal with natural disasters that struck her state. Turned down by the man she supported.

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Lynn Veit's avatar

The shape of things to come. In the future, we're all going to be on our own after a natural disaster. Take care of each other out there, folks.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Will Sarah Huckleberry, Queen of Arkansas Fashion, loan out her $19,000 lectern to churches in need to stimulate her base during these trying times? Maybe she should try calling Shitler again and see if he still refuses her call?

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Psittacus Ebrius's avatar

Arkansas and Louisiana. Two states with high rates of violent crime. The fools pushing religion in the public schools are the ones that should be working to reduce crime. Instead they want to increase the exposure of the gospel. Pull your head out of your ass.

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Nevoustrumpezpas's avatar

You'd think if religion were a healthy influence, they'd have lower crime rates.

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Patricia Brown's avatar

The founding fathers wanted a separation of church and state. They knew what could happen for both sides if this wasn’t implemented. The people who keep writing these laws do not only want no separation, they want it to only relate to Christianity.(the Ten Commandments were not Christian, duh) By saying the Ten Commandments should be in all classrooms, what they mean is Christianity should be. Children do not need to be told to not commit adultery or not covet thy neighbor’s wife! There are other ways to help children grow into decent human beings.

Most teachers already have things up relating to being kind, helping your neighbors ( ie friends and family etc) or respecting others. These types of signs are universal and do not imply a belief in a deity. So , if goodness is what they want, they don’t need to teach it with anything related to religion.

And change the flipping gun laws!!!

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Isn't it amazing how, when promoters of the 10Cs in public places are pressed on the 10Cs religious origin, they want to insist that the 10Cs are HISTORICAL? [frankly, I think that's a bit HYSTERICAL!] Once again, for the umpti-umpth time, these fatuous fools need to be reminded that "The United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion...", that there is no mention of God, Christianity, or Jesus in our Constitution, and that the laws and organizational principles which are expressed in the Constitution HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 10Cs!!! No, they don't want to listen, of course, because their ultimate goal is to erase our Constitution and our democracy with it, and install a Christian theocracy.

And every time they try, we have to stop them. It's not a fair deal, but this is how it works.

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Charles Shoemaker's avatar

Don’t the Commandments predate Jesus by centuries? The Alabamans who would ban arabic numbers should be equally appalled at the Jewish symbols in their classrooms.

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ericc's avatar

The 10C posters and monuments typically use Roman numerals, not arabic ones. But if you phrased it as "Italian numbering over Jewish proverbs", yeah I can see lots of ignorant rejection of that.

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Lynn Veit's avatar

I just googled that Arabic numerals poll. Shit, I didn't know that was a thing. People really are that fucking gaddamn imbecilic....we are fucking doomed.

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Vanity Unfair's avatar

Likewise, if more moderately phrased. I am British, after all. What would happen if the question referenced Indian or Hindu numerals, I wonder? Zero as a number was invented in India (until someone finds an earlier usage, of course).

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Whitney's avatar

According to Christian sources*, the gap between the old and new testaments is around 400 years, some of them apparently call it "The Silence" or some such.

*I would note that at some point, this is like arguing the correct 'canon' for a fictional universe like Harry Potter or Star Wars. Doing any research on the subject is going to be fraught with pitfalls, rabbit holes, and wingnut theories; there is no actual truth to be found. Have fun if you want to spend your time that way, though.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

It’s in the very First Amendment to our Constitution. How much clearer can the illegality of this constant legislation for Jeebus be?

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Lynn Veit's avatar

*kkkristers, fingers in ears:*

"Can't hear you can't hear you can't hear you LALALALALALALALALALALA....."

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Straw's avatar

They are exactly like that.

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Whitney's avatar

I've said things of this nature before, but at this point, I think it needs to be said again. At some point, when Christians fail to stop or do anything about other Christians doing something immoral, illegal, or unethical, then that is what the Christian faith 𝗶𝘀, regardless of any protest to the contrary. Cases like these are settled law for the most part, and intentionally voting in Christian politicians willing to ignore the law tells the rest of the public just who Christians really are.

Do not whine to me about your pews being lonely and your offering plates empty, Christians of America, this is the bed you made with your own actions. If you want people to attend church, you cannot insist convicted felons be President, you cannot continually lie to the public, and you cannot insist that your precious people are allow to break the law whenever they wish. When your actions declare your empathy and love for all of humanity regardless of their race, religion, sexual preference, or gender, I might think about changing my mind. In the meantime, stop trying to foist your Ten Commandments on children in an effort to groom them into your cult, it's creepy and disgusting.

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dammit barry's avatar

The kkkatliker "church" has made kiddie rape a sacrament for priests. Now they are working on protecting lay people from prosecution in the USA..

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Holytape's avatar

I don't think this bill goes far enough. Sure the public display of the ten commandments will save the immortal souls of those Arkansawyers who follow them. But that's the problem. To follow the ten commandments, you first have to read the ten commandments. And this is Arkansas we are talking about. In a three state competition between the education systems of Arkansas, Mississippi and Louisiana, they came in fourth. No, we need to have a system where all Arkansawyers are saved. We need, no, we DEMAND, that along side the written 10 commandments, a pictograph form of the ten commandments is also displayed. And with particular attention paid to the prohibition of adultery and coveting their neighbors wives. They need clear and anatomically accurate representations of what they should not do with their neighbor's wife/cousin/sister, or else we risk their damnation to hell. And we should also erect statues of the same, to make sure that even blind Arkansawyers know what not to do. IT IS OUR DUTY TO GOD TO DO SO!

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dammit barry's avatar

Sodomy, fellatio, cunniolingus, pederasty. Gods, why do make fun sound nasty?

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

♫♪ Masturbation ... can be fun! / Join the holy orgy, Hari Krishna ... everyone! ♪♫

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dammit barry's avatar

♫♪ Masturbation ... can be fun! / Join the holy orgy, Kama Sutra ... everyone! ♪♫

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvXeYrp05To

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

Video unavailable. Again. :)

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Hair, original Broadway cast- Sodomy.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Reposting. If the 10 Cs are that effective, why so many pastors/priests/ministers embezzle and/or cheat ?

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Lynn Veit's avatar

Re: the embezzling - cuz gawd wants them to have nice things.

No kidding, there were words to that effect spoken by none other than cosmetics queen Tammy Faye, when she and her weird-looking chipmunk-faced hubs got caught with their hands in the church cookie jar. (The $5000 air-conditioned dog house got quite a bit of mention, and this was in 1980's dollars. But that paled alongside the multiple luxury homes and cars.)

As for the cheating, lying, etc. - Rules don't apply to them cuz they rule. And they're just hateful sacks of shit at heart. That's all I know of that makes sense.

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RegularJoe's avatar

Sinned, forgiven, pickin' cherries, yadda.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

The 10 C’s are a symbol. Nothing more. Anything universally ignored by the very people supporting it can be nothing more than that.

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Kiwiwriter47's avatar

Good for the family.

If these Christians are so concerned about worshipping and obeying God, tell them to read and post the Beatitudes.

But their Jesus isn't THAT Jesus.

Their Jesus wears a MAGA hat, two bandoliers, carries an AR-15, watches girl-on-girl porn, NASCAR, and UFC, wages flame wars on the internet about "minorities" or insults his buddies as "gays" or "government shills," and insists that vaccines are bad but the WWE is real.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

"watches girl-on-girl porn"

Transgirl porn. FIFY

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Holytape's avatar

Transgirl on girl porn is ok, because it isn't gay.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

Religious whack a mole. Or maybe hydra. Cut off one law, three more take its place.

Maybe, just maybe the students who don’t go to church don’t need to be exposed to the gospels at all become they’ve already been exposed and rejected them. Besides, the Decalogue isn’t part of the gospels. But don’t let that stop you from being a lying sack of shit.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Rep. Alyssa Brown says, “We’re not telling every student they have to believe in this God…”

-Allow me to complete her sentence for her with a small influx of reality.

“…we are telling them that ours is the rightful Gawd and all other religions will be punished with impunity.”

But don’t ever TAX us…we are a loving organization doing great works.

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ericc's avatar

You don't *have* to believe in God. You could just take the C instead of a nice, college-loving A.

Your parents don't *have* to buy the IGWT version of the Arkansas license plate. A ticket isn't much worse than a warning, right?

And I'm sure Judge Conservafundie will be perfectly happy to swear you in on Sagan's Demon-Haunted World. He doesn't *have* to give you the minimum, after all.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

Just once, I would like to hear the god botherers explain why they have to spread the 'good news' at all. Why can't their all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful, and omnipresent god Jeebus just put the 'true' version of the religion in everybody's head so everyone would be singing from the same hymnal. Crickets.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

I doubt that most of then could cite the verse in the bible which establishes the Great Commission. But then, they don't really READ their bible, do they?

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Haven’t you heard about the new, made in China, “Trumpian Bible?” Pictures, song lyrics and extra hate speech built right in.

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Straw's avatar

Please tell me you are joking.

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Lynn Veit's avatar

He isn't. It's one of the many tacky, overpriced tchotchkes and other general rubbish Trump has hawked from the campaign trail and the white house, no different from the commemorative trumpy coins and shitty watches.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

And all are made in China. But let’s institute tariffs to bring manufacturing back to the States.

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Lynn Veit's avatar

Yep. Tariffs is good.

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Straw's avatar

I don't want to know this. I want a fairytale where everybody are compassionate (a bit unsure if this is the correct word to use), and helpful and educated and got a good, meaningful life, including worklife, that is perfectly fit for them.

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Lynn Veit's avatar

I have dreamed of that as well.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

He doesn't, Hemant wrote several times about it.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Jeebus has been very quiet for the last 2000 years. Unless you count what’s happening with the Edmonton Oilers and Connor McJeebus in the Stanley Cup Finals.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Series tied at 2. May the reality-based magic of CM continue and help put The Cup in Edmonton's hands.

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ericc's avatar

Both teams certainly did unto others in game 3, didn't they.

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

Praise Leon!

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

If the Bucs aren't playing, who cares?

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

I’m new to the hockey game and must admit, though I don’t have a favorite team, I am enjoying the Stanley Cup Finals immensely. Last night in Flori-Duh, there was a MAGAT walking around the Panthers bench with a ridiculous jacket emblazoned with “TRUMP 47” in huge letters.

In other words, GO OILERS!

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

That's EXACTLY what's going on here, Tinker: they pop up with their 10Cs, and we get to knock 'em down. If there's an end to it at all, I don't see it.

But that's what we're stuck with.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Whack-a-Mole, indeed.

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Lynn Veit's avatar

I want the heads of trumpy and his cohort popping up; I'd pound away until I dropped, but ooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhh, the fun and satisfaction!

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

A million dollar idea, Lynn!

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

I didn’t see your comment before I made mine. GMTA and all that.

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Joe King's avatar

More 10cs nonsense, more lawsuits. I don't think they will ever stop pissing on the Constitution.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Can’t change boats in the middle of a stream.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

OT- Dealing with some personal stuff; activity may be sporadic for a little while. Nothing bad- actually rather the opposite, which is a bit of a surprise considering the last year or so, but I have a project on my plate for a family member and it's going to be occupying a fair amount of time because I only have about a month to get everything bolted together (metaphorically, I mean. If there end up being actual bolts involved, that will be a sign that I've 𝘥𝘦𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘺 gone too far overboard).

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larry parker's avatar

Ratcheting up activity.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Modern times.

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