As much as anything, these efforts to force religion into the public school classroom are a tacit admission of just how weak the Christian message really is. Why is it ever acceptable to present something to children as fact an educated adult would most likely reject if hearing it for the first time? It isn't limited to Christianity. Religions of all stripes know they have to get to children before they've reached the age of reason if their sect is going to survive. There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest these superficial appeals to religiosity ever resulted in better people.
My (step)kids were raised without religion. When they started questioning, their mother and I would tell them about Catholic beliefs. They all thought we were making it up.
There was a group of Catholic kids I grew up with who never moved beyond the magical thinking and the special pleading we were indoctrinated with as children. As much as it disturbs me, it helps explain what thinking people are up agains.
If civilization were entirely wiped out except for a handful of survivors who eventually succeeded in reproducing the human population and everything we take for granted today โ languages, technology, science, social customs, clothing, music, arts, occupations, etc. โ they'd certainly have reinvented religions as well. And none of the new ones would look anything at all like the old ones, because they're all just completely made up.
I have maintained for a long time that the staggering number of religions in the world is a pretty solid argument that none of them are divinely inspired.
Shoot, there are over 45,000 different flavors of Christianity alone, with another schism over doctrine coming along every other week to add to the total count. They can't ALL be right. But they CAN all be wrong!
It speaks to a divine being who supposedly willed the universe into existence, but when it came to the most important message imaginable, . . . couldn't make himself understood.
If they were so appealing, they wouldnโt have to legislate to have them plastered all over. Folks would just already be living by them, want to put them up everywhere (like the โlive, laugh, loveโ pablum) all on their own.
OT, but I saw this weekend there will be "Kick Out The Clowns" rallies with street circuses and people in clown costumes. Better get the freaky sex circus warmed up.
In all the depictions of Moses and the Tablets, the writing on those tablets was in Hebrew. Maybe the tablet copies in schools should use the original, authentic Hebrew as well.
That's because in the time Moses lived the people could not yet understand the original King James English in wich the bible was written and had to use a Hebrew translation.
Again with the Ten Commandments? Doesn't Arkansas have real issues to deal with? Huckster recently got turned down for help to deal with natural disasters that struck her state. Turned down by the man she supported.
Will Sarah Huckleberry, Queen of Arkansas Fashion, loan out her $19,000 lectern to churches in need to stimulate her base during these trying times? Maybe she should try calling Shitler again and see if he still refuses her call?
Arkansas and Louisiana. Two states with high rates of violent crime. The fools pushing religion in the public schools are the ones that should be working to reduce crime. Instead they want to increase the exposure of the gospel. Pull your head out of your ass.
The founding fathers wanted a separation of church and state. They knew what could happen for both sides if this wasnโt implemented. The people who keep writing these laws do not only want no separation, they want it to only relate to Christianity.(the Ten Commandments were not Christian, duh) By saying the Ten Commandments should be in all classrooms, what they mean is Christianity should be. Children do not need to be told to not commit adultery or not covet thy neighborโs wife! There are other ways to help children grow into decent human beings.
Most teachers already have things up relating to being kind, helping your neighbors ( ie friends and family etc) or respecting others. These types of signs are universal and do not imply a belief in a deity. So , if goodness is what they want, they donโt need to teach it with anything related to religion.
Isn't it amazing how, when promoters of the 10Cs in public places are pressed on the 10Cs religious origin, they want to insist that the 10Cs are HISTORICAL? [frankly, I think that's a bit HYSTERICAL!] Once again, for the umpti-umpth time, these fatuous fools need to be reminded that "The United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion...", that there is no mention of God, Christianity, or Jesus in our Constitution, and that the laws and organizational principles which are expressed in the Constitution HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 10Cs!!! No, they don't want to listen, of course, because their ultimate goal is to erase our Constitution and our democracy with it, and install a Christian theocracy.
And every time they try, we have to stop them. It's not a fair deal, but this is how it works.
Donโt the Commandments predate Jesus by centuries? The Alabamans who would ban arabic numbers should be equally appalled at the Jewish symbols in their classrooms.
The 10C posters and monuments typically use Roman numerals, not arabic ones. But if you phrased it as "Italian numbering over Jewish proverbs", yeah I can see lots of ignorant rejection of that.
According to Christian sources*, the gap between the old and new testaments is around 400 years, some of them apparently call it "The Silence" or some such.
*I would note that at some point, this is like arguing the correct 'canon' for a fictional universe like Harry Potter or Star Wars. Doing any research on the subject is going to be fraught with pitfalls, rabbit holes, and wingnut theories; there is no actual truth to be found. Have fun if you want to spend your time that way, though.
Likewise, if more moderately phrased. I am British, after all. What would happen if the question referenced Indian or Hindu numerals, I wonder? Zero as a number was invented in India (until someone finds an earlier usage, of course).
I've said things of this nature before, but at this point, I think it needs to be said again. At some point, when Christians fail to stop or do anything about other Christians doing something immoral, illegal, or unethical, then that is what the Christian faith ๐ถ๐, regardless of any protest to the contrary. Cases like these are settled law for the most part, and intentionally voting in Christian politicians willing to ignore the law tells the rest of the public just who Christians really are.
Do not whine to me about your pews being lonely and your offering plates empty, Christians of America, this is the bed you made with your own actions. If you want people to attend church, you cannot insist convicted felons be President, you cannot continually lie to the public, and you cannot insist that your precious people are allow to break the law whenever they wish. When your actions declare your empathy and love for all of humanity regardless of their race, religion, sexual preference, or gender, I might think about changing my mind. In the meantime, stop trying to foist your Ten Commandments on children in an effort to groom them into your cult, it's creepy and disgusting.
I don't think this bill goes far enough. Sure the public display of the ten commandments will save the immortal souls of those Arkansawyers who follow them. But that's the problem. To follow the ten commandments, you first have to read the ten commandments. And this is Arkansas we are talking about. In a three state competition between the education systems of Arkansas, Mississippi and Louisiana, they came in fourth. No, we need to have a system where all Arkansawyers are saved. We need, no, we DEMAND, that along side the written 10 commandments, a pictograph form of the ten commandments is also displayed. And with particular attention paid to the prohibition of adultery and coveting their neighbors wives. They need clear and anatomically accurate representations of what they should not do with their neighbor's wife/cousin/sister, or else we risk their damnation to hell. And we should also erect statues of the same, to make sure that even blind Arkansawyers know what not to do. IT IS OUR DUTY TO GOD TO DO SO!
If these Christians are so concerned about worshipping and obeying God, tell them to read and post the Beatitudes.
But their Jesus isn't THAT Jesus.
Their Jesus wears a MAGA hat, two bandoliers, carries an AR-15, watches girl-on-girl porn, NASCAR, and UFC, wages flame wars on the internet about "minorities" or insults his buddies as "gays" or "government shills," and insists that vaccines are bad but the WWE is real.
Religious whack a mole. Or maybe hydra. Cut off one law, three more take its place.
Maybe, just maybe the students who donโt go to church donโt need to be exposed to the gospels at all become theyโve already been exposed and rejected them. Besides, the Decalogue isnโt part of the gospels. But donโt let that stop you from being a lying sack of shit.
You don't *have* to believe in God. You could just take the C instead of a nice, college-loving A.
Your parents don't *have* to buy the IGWT version of the Arkansas license plate. A ticket isn't much worse than a warning, right?
And I'm sure Judge Conservafundie will be perfectly happy to swear you in on Sagan's Demon-Haunted World. He doesn't *have* to give you the minimum, after all.
Just once, I would like to hear the god botherers explain why they have to spread the 'good news' at all. Why can't their all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful, and omnipresent god Jeebus just put the 'true' version of the religion in everybody's head so everyone would be singing from the same hymnal. Crickets.
I doubt that most of then could cite the verse in the bible which establishes the Great Commission. But then, they don't really READ their bible, do they?
Jeebus has been very quiet for the last 2000 years. Unless you count whatโs happening with the Edmonton Oilers and Connor McJeebus in the Stanley Cup Finals.
Iโm new to the hockey game and must admit, though I donโt have a favorite team, I am enjoying the Stanley Cup Finals immensely. Last night in Flori-Duh, there was a MAGAT walking around the Panthers bench with a ridiculous jacket emblazoned with โTRUMP 47โ in huge letters.
That's EXACTLY what's going on here, Tinker: they pop up with their 10Cs, and we get to knock 'em down. If there's an end to it at all, I don't see it.
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As much as anything, these efforts to force religion into the public school classroom are a tacit admission of just how weak the Christian message really is. Why is it ever acceptable to present something to children as fact an educated adult would most likely reject if hearing it for the first time? It isn't limited to Christianity. Religions of all stripes know they have to get to children before they've reached the age of reason if their sect is going to survive. There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest these superficial appeals to religiosity ever resulted in better people.
My (step)kids were raised without religion. When they started questioning, their mother and I would tell them about Catholic beliefs. They all thought we were making it up.
There was a group of Catholic kids I grew up with who never moved beyond the magical thinking and the special pleading we were indoctrinated with as children. As much as it disturbs me, it helps explain what thinking people are up agains.
Well stated, oraxx
The only reason why they want posters in schools is because they canโt burn heretics at the stake anymore.
If civilization were entirely wiped out except for a handful of survivors who eventually succeeded in reproducing the human population and everything we take for granted today โ languages, technology, science, social customs, clothing, music, arts, occupations, etc. โ they'd certainly have reinvented religions as well. And none of the new ones would look anything at all like the old ones, because they're all just completely made up.
I have maintained for a long time that the staggering number of religions in the world is a pretty solid argument that none of them are divinely inspired.
Shoot, there are over 45,000 different flavors of Christianity alone, with another schism over doctrine coming along every other week to add to the total count. They can't ALL be right. But they CAN all be wrong!
It speaks to a divine being who supposedly willed the universe into existence, but when it came to the most important message imaginable, . . . couldn't make himself understood.
If your god and his message are so appealing, why canโt he show up in person to deliver it?
#omnipotencefail
๐๐๐๐๐กโ๐๐๐ ๐คโ๐๐โ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ก ๐๐ฅ๐๐ ๐ก ๐๐๐๐๐๐ก โ๐๐๐ ๐ข๐ , ๐๐ข๐ก ๐โ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐ ๐๐๐๐กโ๐๐๐ ๐คโ๐๐โ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ก๐ ๐๐ฅ๐๐ ๐ก ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ก๐๐ฃ๐ โ๐๐๐ ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐ข๐ .
-- me
Because god is the best hide and seek champion ever. No one has ever be able to find it.
If they were so appealing, they wouldnโt have to legislate to have them plastered all over. Folks would just already be living by them, want to put them up everywhere (like the โlive, laugh, loveโ pablum) all on their own.
OT, but I saw this weekend there will be "Kick Out The Clowns" rallies with street circuses and people in clown costumes. Better get the freaky sex circus warmed up.
Yeah, I saw a fb ad with the circus tent made up of brightly colored port-o-potties. Thatโs a big turnoff for me.
The rallies are spot on though, might just have to head out myself. I have a clown suit from a previous Halloween.
He works in mysterious ways. Everyone knows that. /s One of the greatest excuses Christian apologists ever came up with.
๐โ๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐ค๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ข๐ ๐ค๐๐ฆ๐ .
-- Aron Ra
A question that's been asked for quite some time now. โIf He has spoken, why is the universe not convinced?โ
โPercy Bysshe Shelley (1792โ1822), English poet, husband of Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, โThe Necessity of Atheismโ
If he has spoken (and I don't believe for a second that he has!), it's been to a select few, and they have the hardest time proving that he did.
I'm waiting for someone to develop AI Jesus to deliver that message. Sacred YouTube.
I'm thinkin' Joel Oostien
๐๐๐
Indeed!!
In all the depictions of Moses and the Tablets, the writing on those tablets was in Hebrew. Maybe the tablet copies in schools should use the original, authentic Hebrew as well.
That's because in the time Moses lived the people could not yet understand the original King James English in wich the bible was written and had to use a Hebrew translation.
That would involve some learninโ, Charles, so, no.
Again with the Ten Commandments? Doesn't Arkansas have real issues to deal with? Huckster recently got turned down for help to deal with natural disasters that struck her state. Turned down by the man she supported.
Will Sarah Huckleberry, Queen of Arkansas Fashion, loan out her $19,000 lectern to churches in need to stimulate her base during these trying times? Maybe she should try calling Shitler again and see if he still refuses her call?
Arkansas and Louisiana. Two states with high rates of violent crime. The fools pushing religion in the public schools are the ones that should be working to reduce crime. Instead they want to increase the exposure of the gospel. Pull your head out of your ass.
You'd think if religion were a healthy influence, they'd have lower crime rates.
People don't know what they don't know.
The founding fathers wanted a separation of church and state. They knew what could happen for both sides if this wasnโt implemented. The people who keep writing these laws do not only want no separation, they want it to only relate to Christianity.(the Ten Commandments were not Christian, duh) By saying the Ten Commandments should be in all classrooms, what they mean is Christianity should be. Children do not need to be told to not commit adultery or not covet thy neighborโs wife! There are other ways to help children grow into decent human beings.
Most teachers already have things up relating to being kind, helping your neighbors ( ie friends and family etc) or respecting others. These types of signs are universal and do not imply a belief in a deity. So , if goodness is what they want, they donโt need to teach it with anything related to religion.
And change the flipping gun laws!!!
Isn't it amazing how, when promoters of the 10Cs in public places are pressed on the 10Cs religious origin, they want to insist that the 10Cs are HISTORICAL? [frankly, I think that's a bit HYSTERICAL!] Once again, for the umpti-umpth time, these fatuous fools need to be reminded that "The United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion...", that there is no mention of God, Christianity, or Jesus in our Constitution, and that the laws and organizational principles which are expressed in the Constitution HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 10Cs!!! No, they don't want to listen, of course, because their ultimate goal is to erase our Constitution and our democracy with it, and install a Christian theocracy.
And every time they try, we have to stop them. It's not a fair deal, but this is how it works.
Donโt the Commandments predate Jesus by centuries? The Alabamans who would ban arabic numbers should be equally appalled at the Jewish symbols in their classrooms.
The 10C posters and monuments typically use Roman numerals, not arabic ones. But if you phrased it as "Italian numbering over Jewish proverbs", yeah I can see lots of ignorant rejection of that.
According to Christian sources*, the gap between the old and new testaments is around 400 years, some of them apparently call it "The Silence" or some such.
*I would note that at some point, this is like arguing the correct 'canon' for a fictional universe like Harry Potter or Star Wars. Doing any research on the subject is going to be fraught with pitfalls, rabbit holes, and wingnut theories; there is no actual truth to be found. Have fun if you want to spend your time that way, though.
Likewise, if more moderately phrased. I am British, after all. What would happen if the question referenced Indian or Hindu numerals, I wonder? Zero as a number was invented in India (until someone finds an earlier usage, of course).
Itโs in the very First Amendment to our Constitution. How much clearer can the illegality of this constant legislation for Jeebus be?
They are exactly like that.
I've said things of this nature before, but at this point, I think it needs to be said again. At some point, when Christians fail to stop or do anything about other Christians doing something immoral, illegal, or unethical, then that is what the Christian faith ๐ถ๐, regardless of any protest to the contrary. Cases like these are settled law for the most part, and intentionally voting in Christian politicians willing to ignore the law tells the rest of the public just who Christians really are.
Do not whine to me about your pews being lonely and your offering plates empty, Christians of America, this is the bed you made with your own actions. If you want people to attend church, you cannot insist convicted felons be President, you cannot continually lie to the public, and you cannot insist that your precious people are allow to break the law whenever they wish. When your actions declare your empathy and love for all of humanity regardless of their race, religion, sexual preference, or gender, I might think about changing my mind. In the meantime, stop trying to foist your Ten Commandments on children in an effort to groom them into your cult, it's creepy and disgusting.
I don't think this bill goes far enough. Sure the public display of the ten commandments will save the immortal souls of those Arkansawyers who follow them. But that's the problem. To follow the ten commandments, you first have to read the ten commandments. And this is Arkansas we are talking about. In a three state competition between the education systems of Arkansas, Mississippi and Louisiana, they came in fourth. No, we need to have a system where all Arkansawyers are saved. We need, no, we DEMAND, that along side the written 10 commandments, a pictograph form of the ten commandments is also displayed. And with particular attention paid to the prohibition of adultery and coveting their neighbors wives. They need clear and anatomically accurate representations of what they should not do with their neighbor's wife/cousin/sister, or else we risk their damnation to hell. And we should also erect statues of the same, to make sure that even blind Arkansawyers know what not to do. IT IS OUR DUTY TO GOD TO DO SO!
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Reposting. If the 10 Cs are that effective, why so many pastors/priests/ministers embezzle and/or cheat ?
Sinned, forgiven, pickin' cherries, yadda.
The 10 Cโs are a symbol. Nothing more. Anything universally ignored by the very people supporting it can be nothing more than that.
Good for the family.
If these Christians are so concerned about worshipping and obeying God, tell them to read and post the Beatitudes.
But their Jesus isn't THAT Jesus.
Their Jesus wears a MAGA hat, two bandoliers, carries an AR-15, watches girl-on-girl porn, NASCAR, and UFC, wages flame wars on the internet about "minorities" or insults his buddies as "gays" or "government shills," and insists that vaccines are bad but the WWE is real.
"watches girl-on-girl porn"
Transgirl porn. FIFY
Transgirl on girl porn is ok, because it isn't gay.
Religious whack a mole. Or maybe hydra. Cut off one law, three more take its place.
Maybe, just maybe the students who donโt go to church donโt need to be exposed to the gospels at all become theyโve already been exposed and rejected them. Besides, the Decalogue isnโt part of the gospels. But donโt let that stop you from being a lying sack of shit.
Rep. Alyssa Brown says, โWeโre not telling every student they have to believe in this Godโฆโ
-Allow me to complete her sentence for her with a small influx of reality.
โโฆwe are telling them that ours is the rightful Gawd and all other religions will be punished with impunity.โ
But donโt ever TAX usโฆwe are a loving organization doing great works.
You don't *have* to believe in God. You could just take the C instead of a nice, college-loving A.
Your parents don't *have* to buy the IGWT version of the Arkansas license plate. A ticket isn't much worse than a warning, right?
And I'm sure Judge Conservafundie will be perfectly happy to swear you in on Sagan's Demon-Haunted World. He doesn't *have* to give you the minimum, after all.
Just once, I would like to hear the god botherers explain why they have to spread the 'good news' at all. Why can't their all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful, and omnipresent god Jeebus just put the 'true' version of the religion in everybody's head so everyone would be singing from the same hymnal. Crickets.
I doubt that most of then could cite the verse in the bible which establishes the Great Commission. But then, they don't really READ their bible, do they?
Havenโt you heard about the new, made in China, โTrumpian Bible?โ Pictures, song lyrics and extra hate speech built right in.
Please tell me you are joking.
He doesn't, Hemant wrote several times about it.
Jeebus has been very quiet for the last 2000 years. Unless you count whatโs happening with the Edmonton Oilers and Connor McJeebus in the Stanley Cup Finals.
Series tied at 2. May the reality-based magic of CM continue and help put The Cup in Edmonton's hands.
Both teams certainly did unto others in game 3, didn't they.
Praise Leon!
If the Bucs aren't playing, who cares?
Iโm new to the hockey game and must admit, though I donโt have a favorite team, I am enjoying the Stanley Cup Finals immensely. Last night in Flori-Duh, there was a MAGAT walking around the Panthers bench with a ridiculous jacket emblazoned with โTRUMP 47โ in huge letters.
In other words, GO OILERS!
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That's EXACTLY what's going on here, Tinker: they pop up with their 10Cs, and we get to knock 'em down. If there's an end to it at all, I don't see it.
But that's what we're stuck with.
Whack-a-Mole, indeed.
A million dollar idea, Lynn!
I didnโt see your comment before I made mine. GMTA and all that.
More 10cs nonsense, more lawsuits. I don't think they will ever stop pissing on the Constitution.
Canโt change boats in the middle of a stream.
OT- Dealing with some personal stuff; activity may be sporadic for a little while. Nothing bad- actually rather the opposite, which is a bit of a surprise considering the last year or so, but I have a project on my plate for a family member and it's going to be occupying a fair amount of time because I only have about a month to get everything bolted together (metaphorically, I mean. If there end up being actual bolts involved, that will be a sign that I've ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ง๐ช๐ฏ๐ช๐ต๐ฆ๐ญ๐บ gone too far overboard).
Ratcheting up activity.
Modern times.