The Christian preacher who cannot provide a shred of objective evidence to support her own claims, arrogantly dismisses the spiritual traditions of native Americans. And there, boys and girls, is a microcosm of American history. Bible believing Christians slaughtered the native peoples by the tens of thousands and felt entirely justified in doing so.
The whole problem with Christianity is the group arrogance. They can’t offer up the smallest shred of evidence yet their undetectable deity is the one true god. I’m old and cranky and just simply tired of them.
Don't forget that this is all from a very American perspective. To us Europeans it looks like a sad distortion of the Christianity that we (or at least many of us) espouse - any "group arrogance" is hard to find over here.
It's always the group arrogance , isn't it ? Whichever religion it may be , all are collectively arrogant of how great their religion is and how all others are so beneath them.
Discussions about the universe, life and death with people that believe anything without proof is something I don't do anymore. I can have a friendship with some but that's it.
Me too. I have an important friendship with a Catholic. She's one of the kindest people I've met. Hands out to the homeless just because. She shows interest in my life, and she is well aware I'm an atheist and doesn't hold it against me.
I seldom, if ever, donate to someone that wants their opinions validated in a court of law. The court is to discern facts, not opinion. I have limited income and all that. However, if the “heretical preacher” does try to sue or steal funds from the tribe, I will happily donate all I can to help the Arapaho fight and defeat the twisted and evil actions of the “Christian” nationalist and her “church”.
I've found myself on the giving end as well. When I'm feeling helpless about the atrocities being committed in the name of Christian nationalism, or Christian overreach, or what the Zionists are doing in Isreal because I guess now this government regime is funding a genocide, (with MY hard earned tax dollars at a job that's already taking advantage of everyone there) I'm just done. I'm done.
Feeling helpless is a horrible feeling.
I don't make much money at my retail hell job but donating makes me feel as if I'm helping in some way. It's all I've got.
I probably should not say this, but in the last 5 years or so, I no longer donate to any organization that has a “Christian or a proselytizing religious base”. Too much trumpery going on there. They should get their funds from their followers, not someone that they most probably
Ms Lucas, no one is threatening to kill you for your faith. No one is threatening to kill you at all. You are just being told that your statements were racist at best, and genocidal at worst. You aren't being persecuted, you are persecuting.
Can someone please mail this fool a clue? I ran out of postage with the last batch of clues I sent.
She’d never listen, even if that mail filled an entire sack. When someone is absolutely convinced that they are always right no matter what, then they have blocked out all reason.
She is just yet another Karen who cries like a baby when she doesn't get her way. I wish people like that could be bothered to grow up and recognize that theirs is not the only game in town.
This kind of Karen will stand at the Pearly Gates demanding to speak to the manager because they let in somebody SHE doesn't approve of while making her wait her turn.
So, Jane, how would you like it if people started using the word "Jane" as a personal slur and putdown, the way you're doing with "Karen"? And, ironically, while you're trying (unsuccessfully, I should note) to make a case for tolerance and understanding.
My best friend is named 'Karen', and she doesn't mind at all. Nor would I if the word was 'Jane.' Why? Because it wouldn't apply to me and I know it. I wouldn't be a Jane anymore than my bestie is a Karen. There's a difference between being Karen and being A Karen.
As a Karen, I do resent the use of my name as a slur. It is part of a whole whereby some people thrive when they are able to mock, demean, put down, trash and degrade others. This minister is not capable of understanding perspectives other than her own. Something went seriously wrong in her upbringing where she should have come to understand that many people think differently from the way she does. To boost herself she must demean others. And to further point out the utter hypocrisy of this minister, some members of the tribe have accepted Christianity. But that’s not enough for her. It’s all or nothing.
The sad fact is that "Karen" has been pretty well established in the current vernacular as a caricatured "spoiled-rotten, self-involved female" who has no regard for anyone's rights, other than her own. I wish I had an alternative to offer, but I don't.
Suggestions regarding such an alternative are herewith solicited.
Shrew. Harpy. Biddy. Blue nose. Although, they don't carry quite the same connotation. There are some vulgar terms which are generally eschewed in these parts and those have somewhat different connotations also.
I asked Google for an alternative and the best it came up with was "power tripper". Not very satisfying.
I agree. Unfortunately the name has been taken over by culture..while I agree that it is not fair, and I don't use this name in the regular "cultural" way, it's unavoidable.
I've been personally learning to change my thinking and reactions to everything while recovery from cptsd, and I'm starting to feel this kind of change can be applied to many things in life. It's extremely difficult because you have to interrupt that instinctual thinking you've been trained since childhood to do but it's necessary to live a healthy life and not feel offended or slighted by others which can lead to misery in general after a while.
And that's the problem. They won't be happy until EVERY other religion is eradicated from the face of the Earth. I once had an argument with a Christian who insisted that every other religious adherent on Earth needed to be converted because THEIR religions were all Satanic.
No you're not. If you actually meant those words, you'd have traveled to a country where Christians truly are being persecuted and been willing to face that same mistreatment/suffering, up to and including death. Have you done that?
There's failing to read a room... and then there's whatever this lady's doing. It takes a 𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 special kind of idiot to walk into a minefield of cultural trauma, take a look around, and then confidently tap-dance over 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘭𝘢𝘴𝘵 𝘭𝘶𝘮𝘱 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘣𝘶𝘮𝘱 until something explodes.
I predict that she'll soon be running the Department of the Interior.
In the Dred Scott decision, Justice Roger Taney wrote "they have no rights which white people are bound to respect." That case was, of course, about slavery, but the attitude persists. You can read it in the odious Ayn Rand's comments on Native Americans. And it persists in the attitude of white christian nationalists who not only think theirs is the best religion, it's the ONLY religion, and they have the right to impose it on everyone else - and to denigrate any other religion or culture that believes otherwise.
I'm glad the Wind River nation isn't playing into this atrocious woman's hands by making her the martyr she clearly wants to be. I wouldn't be at all surprised if she's already lined up guest appearances on Fox to make herself the victim. The truth is that Lucas NEVER respected the native community she allegedly 'felt called' to serve. They're a stepping stone to her grasping ambition. White christian nationalists can never be good neighbors or respectful members of a community, because they're blinded by hatred of anyone who doesn't think as they do, and let's face it, isn't white.
One final note: This isn't about anyone persecuting Sarah Lucas for her beliefs; it's about Sarah Lucas disrespecting everyone else's beliefs.
Taney was from my neck of the woods. There is a Taney house museum a few blocks away and Taneytown is ~20 miles away. His name was pronounced “tawny”. It did not rhyme with “rainy”.
Talk about hubris! Neither the Arapaho nor the Christian can prove the verity of their respective beliefs, yet Sarah Lucas has the unmitigated gall to diss a tradition that may well be OLDER than Christianity. Lucas' infantile attitude goes beyond insensitive and into all new territory.
If this were 150 years ago, she could count herself lucky that she came away with her scalp!
I think, and this is my opinion and not based on any legal expertise, that since the reservations are their own countries they can deport her and the terrorist organization… sorry, church. She was intentionally doing this, there’s no ambiguity here. She’s part of an organization that is openly hostile to any other religions, and peoples, specifically openly insulted the people she’s supposedly serving, then when the inevitable backlash comes claiming persecution and raising money off it. It was absolutely calculated.
Funny that we live in the worst timeline where we are throwing innocent immigrants (regardless of documentation status) into concentration camps, forcefully deporting them to random countries, or just dumping them still shackled out of airplanes over the ocean but they’re opposed to being held accountable for doing exactly what they lie about the immigrants in the USA are doing. Of course hypocrisy is their bread and butter.
The private property should be under the rules of the reservation and not the USA. The First Peoples should be able to get away from this in their own homes. They ought to be able to kick them out, with prejudice. If nothing else, this twat should be run out on a rail.
Or, perhaps the rez should establish strict immigration and travel restrictions. Yes, that church is on private property. Oh, a travel visa costs $1,000 and is valid for 3 days.
“And, and I asked Stephanie, um, to come on up here. We’re gonna use her as a point of contact, but she is a born-again Christian, walked out this relationship with the Lord through generational Christianity in their household. And I’m gonna ask my Crow brother to come up because he’s walked away from this as well, to say Jesus is enough. And they understand… the price… when they say that publicly, the persecution that can come with them publicly.”
Jesus Christ! The fucking nerve of her. To claim the indigenous people will only understand persecution as Christian’s is laughable. The fact that the indigenous people are only Christian because Christians committed a genocide against them. The only reason that church is even on the reservation is because they were trying to wipe out the indigenous culture. Which they apparently haven’t given up on.
Really, this is what Christianity has been doing for hundreds of years now. It's the reason worship of gods like Thor, Zeus, Cernunnos, and so on has fallen out of favor, Christians can't handle the competition. Stomping out other faiths is why so many nations are Christian or mostly-Christian, and this sort of behavior is part of the playbook.
This behavior from Christians is part of a long, long list of problems that eventually drove me away from the faith way back when. Destroying the culture of a group over a childish inability to share anything at all with them shows a disturbing lack of maturity. I've also wonders several times just how much humanity has lost from Christians throwing fits about things they don't like. Here's hoping Sarah Lucas eventually learning that yes, she IS the monster in this story.
The Christian preacher who cannot provide a shred of objective evidence to support her own claims, arrogantly dismisses the spiritual traditions of native Americans. And there, boys and girls, is a microcosm of American history. Bible believing Christians slaughtered the native peoples by the tens of thousands and felt entirely justified in doing so.
The whole problem with Christianity is the group arrogance. They can’t offer up the smallest shred of evidence yet their undetectable deity is the one true god. I’m old and cranky and just simply tired of them.
"The whole problem with Christianity is the group arrogance."
THIS!!! ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️
Don't forget that this is all from a very American perspective. To us Europeans it looks like a sad distortion of the Christianity that we (or at least many of us) espouse - any "group arrogance" is hard to find over here.
It's always the group arrogance , isn't it ? Whichever religion it may be , all are collectively arrogant of how great their religion is and how all others are so beneath them.
Discussions about the universe, life and death with people that believe anything without proof is something I don't do anymore. I can have a friendship with some but that's it.
Me too. I have an important friendship with a Catholic. She's one of the kindest people I've met. Hands out to the homeless just because. She shows interest in my life, and she is well aware I'm an atheist and doesn't hold it against me.
She's also a Democrat
Once people become convinced they're operating under divine sanction, they're capable of any horror.
They get to excuse being shitty human beings on their ‘special relationship with god’…
People who think that they are doing it for your good will ignore the harm they do because the end justifies the end.
I was once one of them. And yes, the arrogance is front and center. Sickening. Just one of the many reasons I left.
Welcome to the side of reason. We have cookies. :)
Yeah, me too. While my hard-earned tax dollars go to too many Christian causes..
Stephen, arrogance of christians also.
I seldom, if ever, donate to someone that wants their opinions validated in a court of law. The court is to discern facts, not opinion. I have limited income and all that. However, if the “heretical preacher” does try to sue or steal funds from the tribe, I will happily donate all I can to help the Arapaho fight and defeat the twisted and evil actions of the “Christian” nationalist and her “church”.
I've found myself on the giving end as well. When I'm feeling helpless about the atrocities being committed in the name of Christian nationalism, or Christian overreach, or what the Zionists are doing in Isreal because I guess now this government regime is funding a genocide, (with MY hard earned tax dollars at a job that's already taking advantage of everyone there) I'm just done. I'm done.
Feeling helpless is a horrible feeling.
I don't make much money at my retail hell job but donating makes me feel as if I'm helping in some way. It's all I've got.
I understand the frustration.
I probably should not say this, but in the last 5 years or so, I no longer donate to any organization that has a “Christian or a proselytizing religious base”. Too much trumpery going on there. They should get their funds from their followers, not someone that they most probably
would have a problem with.
You are wise.
"microcosm of American history" Especially the Mormons with the belief their Jesus Christ visited America including the United States.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEWHnIgdmHM
In God They Trust 🤔😆🤪
Of course she made herself the victim. Totally did not see that coming 🙄
They're all claiming victim, these Christians. While they're the most powerful right now with the regime in charge...make it make sense....
“𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑡𝑎𝑘𝑒 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑚𝑒 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑐𝑎𝑛’𝑡 𝑡𝑎𝑘𝑒 𝑚𝑦 𝐺𝑜𝑑,” 𝑠𝑎𝑖𝑑 𝐿𝑢𝑐𝑎𝑠. “𝐼’𝑚 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑚𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑦𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑎𝑖𝑡ℎ. 𝐼’𝑣𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑠𝑡.”
Ms Lucas, no one is threatening to kill you for your faith. No one is threatening to kill you at all. You are just being told that your statements were racist at best, and genocidal at worst. You aren't being persecuted, you are persecuting.
Can someone please mail this fool a clue? I ran out of postage with the last batch of clues I sent.
She’d never listen, even if that mail filled an entire sack. When someone is absolutely convinced that they are always right no matter what, then they have blocked out all reason.
Christianity is a disease.
That's why I consider self-righteousness to be central to every Christian's belief system.
Doesn't their god condemn boasting based on arrogance?
They cherry-pick...that's the way that shit works. Disgusting.
Their god also condemns public & performative prayer, but here we are.
She is just yet another Karen who cries like a baby when she doesn't get her way. I wish people like that could be bothered to grow up and recognize that theirs is not the only game in town.
This kind of Karen will stand at the Pearly Gates demanding to speak to the manager because they let in somebody SHE doesn't approve of while making her wait her turn.
Thanks for the laugh 😂
ha ha ha
So, Jane, how would you like it if people started using the word "Jane" as a personal slur and putdown, the way you're doing with "Karen"? And, ironically, while you're trying (unsuccessfully, I should note) to make a case for tolerance and understanding.
My best friend is named 'Karen', and she doesn't mind at all. Nor would I if the word was 'Jane.' Why? Because it wouldn't apply to me and I know it. I wouldn't be a Jane anymore than my bestie is a Karen. There's a difference between being Karen and being A Karen.
As a Karen, I do resent the use of my name as a slur. It is part of a whole whereby some people thrive when they are able to mock, demean, put down, trash and degrade others. This minister is not capable of understanding perspectives other than her own. Something went seriously wrong in her upbringing where she should have come to understand that many people think differently from the way she does. To boost herself she must demean others. And to further point out the utter hypocrisy of this minister, some members of the tribe have accepted Christianity. But that’s not enough for her. It’s all or nothing.
The sad fact is that "Karen" has been pretty well established in the current vernacular as a caricatured "spoiled-rotten, self-involved female" who has no regard for anyone's rights, other than her own. I wish I had an alternative to offer, but I don't.
Suggestions regarding such an alternative are herewith solicited.
Shrew. Harpy. Biddy. Blue nose. Although, they don't carry quite the same connotation. There are some vulgar terms which are generally eschewed in these parts and those have somewhat different connotations also.
I asked Google for an alternative and the best it came up with was "power tripper". Not very satisfying.
Except for the female bit, “Christian” fits the bill. Maybe we shouldn’t worry about gender.
I agree. Unfortunately the name has been taken over by culture..while I agree that it is not fair, and I don't use this name in the regular "cultural" way, it's unavoidable.
I've been personally learning to change my thinking and reactions to everything while recovery from cptsd, and I'm starting to feel this kind of change can be applied to many things in life. It's extremely difficult because you have to interrupt that instinctual thinking you've been trained since childhood to do but it's necessary to live a healthy life and not feel offended or slighted by others which can lead to misery in general after a while.
And that's the problem. They won't be happy until EVERY other religion is eradicated from the face of the Earth. I once had an argument with a Christian who insisted that every other religious adherent on Earth needed to be converted because THEIR religions were all Satanic.
Even the ones that don’t have a Satan. Life in the bubble.
Fat chance!
Too true. 😝
Just your typical DARVO from an arrogant Christian.
But would she be able to recognize it when it landed?
Very well said.
𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦’𝑟𝑒 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑎𝑠𝑘𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑚𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑝𝑒𝑐𝑡 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑓𝑢𝑠𝑒𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑔𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑦.
White Christian Nazionalists will never give any respect to anyone who isn't them. They don't really demand respect, they demand subservience.
And money - lots of money!
💯
"I'm willing to be martyred for my faith."
No you're not. If you actually meant those words, you'd have traveled to a country where Christians truly are being persecuted and been willing to face that same mistreatment/suffering, up to and including death. Have you done that?
Yeah. Didn't think so.
Christians in Iran: martyrdom is death. Christians in America: martyrdom is receiving mean comments.
Five will get you 50 that she's never heard of the Yazidi or what has happened to them in Iraq.
Doesn't even need to be mean. Mild criticism will do.
Doesn’t even need to be mild. Just disagreeing is enough to trigger them.
Yes, Christians in America, including the United States where the MAGAs and Christian nationalism rule.
God Bless America? 😟🤔
Maybe we could crowdsource her a ticket to Saudi Arabia.
Where women are treated oh-so-divinely. :S
I’m sure she would look just stunning on the chopping block.
You have offended Allah.
A mortal sin.
Unlike Jesus, Al don't forgive.
There's failing to read a room... and then there's whatever this lady's doing. It takes a 𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 special kind of idiot to walk into a minefield of cultural trauma, take a look around, and then confidently tap-dance over 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘭𝘢𝘴𝘵 𝘭𝘶𝘮𝘱 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘣𝘶𝘮𝘱 until something explodes.
I predict that she'll soon be running the Department of the Interior.
Lucas is another arrogant god botherer who spits in her own savior's face by disobying his words in Matthew 10:14.
In the Dred Scott decision, Justice Roger Taney wrote "they have no rights which white people are bound to respect." That case was, of course, about slavery, but the attitude persists. You can read it in the odious Ayn Rand's comments on Native Americans. And it persists in the attitude of white christian nationalists who not only think theirs is the best religion, it's the ONLY religion, and they have the right to impose it on everyone else - and to denigrate any other religion or culture that believes otherwise.
I'm glad the Wind River nation isn't playing into this atrocious woman's hands by making her the martyr she clearly wants to be. I wouldn't be at all surprised if she's already lined up guest appearances on Fox to make herself the victim. The truth is that Lucas NEVER respected the native community she allegedly 'felt called' to serve. They're a stepping stone to her grasping ambition. White christian nationalists can never be good neighbors or respectful members of a community, because they're blinded by hatred of anyone who doesn't think as they do, and let's face it, isn't white.
One final note: This isn't about anyone persecuting Sarah Lucas for her beliefs; it's about Sarah Lucas disrespecting everyone else's beliefs.
Taney was from my neck of the woods. There is a Taney house museum a few blocks away and Taneytown is ~20 miles away. His name was pronounced “tawny”. It did not rhyme with “rainy”.
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Interesting. Thanks, Mal!
A pipe cannot hear your prayers. But here, eat this bread, which is totally human flesh!
The pipe always hears my prayers, especially with a good autoflowering strain.
Big invisible lamb-beaver who is also made of bread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIrXEGadjiY
Are the North Sentinelese on her agenda? Maybe she should try to pull crap on them.
(I'm assuming she's never heard of John Chau)
I'll put a fin down on that proposition! 😉
“A pipe cannot hear your prayers,” she insisted.
Lady, face reality: Jesus can't hear YOURS, either!
Her god stopped listening to prayers in the Old Testament. He got tired of the endless begging.
I love the scene in Mr. Deity where he has 2 million voicemails, listens to a couple, and deletes the rest.
Yep, and car keys didn't even exist back then.
Neither did cars. :)
Talk about hubris! Neither the Arapaho nor the Christian can prove the verity of their respective beliefs, yet Sarah Lucas has the unmitigated gall to diss a tradition that may well be OLDER than Christianity. Lucas' infantile attitude goes beyond insensitive and into all new territory.
If this were 150 years ago, she could count herself lucky that she came away with her scalp!
How ironic: the guy standing up for Native American religious traditions is named 'Christian.'
OUCH! 🤦♂️
Christianity being 'adapted' to local traditions is actually very old - that's why we have christmas traditions.
More like STEALING older traditions, like Yule trees and the Winter Solstice for a holiday and suchlike!
is she in line to replace mike johnson ?
I would argue that the invention of an all-knowing, all-powerful monotheistic God was a catastrophic mistake.
At least you didn’t say all-good. If there is one thing the Bible shows, it’s that the god therein is not all-good.
I think, and this is my opinion and not based on any legal expertise, that since the reservations are their own countries they can deport her and the terrorist organization… sorry, church. She was intentionally doing this, there’s no ambiguity here. She’s part of an organization that is openly hostile to any other religions, and peoples, specifically openly insulted the people she’s supposedly serving, then when the inevitable backlash comes claiming persecution and raising money off it. It was absolutely calculated.
Funny that we live in the worst timeline where we are throwing innocent immigrants (regardless of documentation status) into concentration camps, forcefully deporting them to random countries, or just dumping them still shackled out of airplanes over the ocean but they’re opposed to being held accountable for doing exactly what they lie about the immigrants in the USA are doing. Of course hypocrisy is their bread and butter.
The private property should be under the rules of the reservation and not the USA. The First Peoples should be able to get away from this in their own homes. They ought to be able to kick them out, with prejudice. If nothing else, this twat should be run out on a rail.
Or, perhaps the rez should establish strict immigration and travel restrictions. Yes, that church is on private property. Oh, a travel visa costs $1,000 and is valid for 3 days.
“And, and I asked Stephanie, um, to come on up here. We’re gonna use her as a point of contact, but she is a born-again Christian, walked out this relationship with the Lord through generational Christianity in their household. And I’m gonna ask my Crow brother to come up because he’s walked away from this as well, to say Jesus is enough. And they understand… the price… when they say that publicly, the persecution that can come with them publicly.”
Jesus Christ! The fucking nerve of her. To claim the indigenous people will only understand persecution as Christian’s is laughable. The fact that the indigenous people are only Christian because Christians committed a genocide against them. The only reason that church is even on the reservation is because they were trying to wipe out the indigenous culture. Which they apparently haven’t given up on.
Really, this is what Christianity has been doing for hundreds of years now. It's the reason worship of gods like Thor, Zeus, Cernunnos, and so on has fallen out of favor, Christians can't handle the competition. Stomping out other faiths is why so many nations are Christian or mostly-Christian, and this sort of behavior is part of the playbook.
This behavior from Christians is part of a long, long list of problems that eventually drove me away from the faith way back when. Destroying the culture of a group over a childish inability to share anything at all with them shows a disturbing lack of maturity. I've also wonders several times just how much humanity has lost from Christians throwing fits about things they don't like. Here's hoping Sarah Lucas eventually learning that yes, she IS the monster in this story.