Its simply mind-boggling how many of these assertive Christisns collectively harbor a persecution complex, as if they themselves are being personally attacked if no one is receptive of their messages or if they are told to be quiet due to their being obnoxious or their harassing of others. This is especially true within public spaces connected to extensive organizations comprised of tens of thousands of separate individuals with varying viewpoints, such as undoubtedly Southwest Airlines. They do not seem to comprehend that freedom of speech and expression also extends to non-Christians who might not want to hear their rabble.
Freedom of speech for the Christian Nazionalist means freedom from consequence for the hateful things they spew while repressing the speech of anyone who expresses pushback. Freedom of religion for them means freedom of their brand of Christianity and other religious viewpoints are not allowed.
While not quite on point, I’ve been lurking at The Christian Post website for a while now. There are some non-Christians who comment there — and some of the Christian commenters tell them they shouldn’t be reading and commenting on a Christian site. I.e., they are being persecuted by people commenting on a public website — JUST LIKE THEY DO!
I’ll bet you a bajillion zillion quintillion dollars they have zero issues going to atheist/non-christian sites and hellsplaining/proselytising there, as if they had a divine mandate to do so.
When conservative Christians talk about religious freedom, they are referring to themselves, and their entrenched sense of privilege. They cry persecution when ever anyone objects to having religion forced on them, but no group would be quicker to persecute others if given the chance. If you want to see what genuine persecution looks like . . . hand power to the preachers.
As a member of the clergy in the ECUSA, I get people very upset when I say that they are NOT persecuted. The media, Faux News, has hyper-inflated every aspect of any discussion that doesn’t move Christian Nationalism to the fore.
They go insane over the most inane things. But then get highly offended when you remind them that Christ wasn’t compelling people to follow him. Or that he wasn’t a fan of the state (Rome). He didn’t beat anyone into submission. (How dare I say that!!)
They usually end the conversation by insulting me, calling me “woke” or a “libtard”, or other epithet.
And look out when I bring up “Love your neighbor as yourself” or that as a “Christian Nation” we need to do better by the marginalized, the poor, the immigrant. You’d think I’m calling for heresy.
So the appeals court decided that the answer to that relevant question was "no", but they thought that the poor unemployed flight attendant needed a retirement fund.
It could have been, we don't know. This was a jury award and juries tend side with the 'little guy' against the 'big corporation' when it comes to handing out money, sometimes in ridiculous ways.
But just reading Hemant's description, it doesn't sound like Southwest did much in the way of warning the employee to stop. Traditional harassment depends on 'unwanted,' and there's a bit in Hemant's post implying the victim simply never replied. As a 'best practice', corporations should know to document, document, document all the times management talked to that employee and told them what behavior was inappropriate and why, all the times they warned them to stop, all the second chances the employee got, etc. *before* you fired them.
It doesn't sound like Southwest had a lot of legal ammo in that department.
So the religious angle? Absurd. The judge got that wrong. But the wrongful termination angle? "You didn't warn me what I was doing was wrong/against policy" is a pretty common defense.
Agreed. When I needed to fire an employee, they were notified and put on a 90 day probation and during that time I had to document either positive changes or negative ones. I actually liked them and hoped things would change but alas.
Charlene Carter believes it’s appropriate to harass and declare other people “murderers” because of her delusional beliefs and 50+ years of antiabortion propaganda and brainwashing. Funny, if we are to take a quick look around at who exactly the “murderers” might be as women are dying of sepsis in ERs around the country, she might want to take a long look in the mirror.
Make no mistake, the current administration also pardoned a slew of violent antiabortion extremists from prison recently and basically gave them permission to go out and harass whomever they please. The point is to send the signal out that this behavior is perfectly fine.
Less than 50 years of propaganda. The religious reich didn't ramp up focus on abortion until around 1978, when segregation became too toxic for even them. Their current support for indiscriminate deportations suggests that their founding principles are still there. Carter appears to be young enough for that anti women's rights propaganda to have apanned her entire life. Indoctrination is one hell of a drug.
Indeed. I was in a museum in Peru looking at paintings and the guide explained how the artists were forced to depict their painting of a mountain 🏔️ instead as “Mary’s dress” which also just happened to be in the shape of a mountain.
Right, such a fantastic article every antiabortion activist and just everyone should read so they understand exactly what they are supporting. It isn’t a coincidence that we are also seeing public education destroyed/defunded with hopes to funnel that money directly into private Christian (segregated) schools.
Let’s not forget that we now cannot allow a pregnant person to die, even if we cannot save her no matter how far along she was in the pregnancy. In Georgia right now there’s a woman who has been brain dead for three months who is being kept on life support because she was 9weeks pregnant when she died. NINE WEEKS. I could see if a woman was very near viability when she died and the family wanted to try to protect the fetus, but nine weeks is not going to turn out like they hope. And the family is begging the hospital and the politicians (because this is all about the politicians and not doctors or healthcare or even saving anyone) to allow them to die in peace rather than be tortured in this way.
We aren’t allowed to die, we aren’t allowed to live, we are only here to incubate more humans. If we fail to bring a baby to term, we don’t deserve to live through it. If we die in the process and the baby’s heart cells are still fluttering, well, then we are kept on machines until they can take the baby by force.
Of all the science fiction concepts I didn't expect to come to life, the Bene Tleilax from the Dune series would have been near the top of my list. Using brain dead women as incubators is pretty appalling.
Denmark has universal healthcare and free college, a $25 minimum wage, and most workers work 35 hours/week. I wonder why they're the happiest country in the world?
I thought that was Finland – apparently when the Finns found out they were the happiest country in the world a few years ago, they complained about it.
Norway is almost there too. Max 40 hours/week. Many have 35 h/w due to agreement between corporat owner and the union. 5-7 weeks paid vacation. Pregnant people get paid leave the last weeks before birth, that does wonder for baby and mother's health. The father/other parent gets some paid weeks off to take care of mother and child. Sick leave is not a legal reason for firing people. I could go on.
There are days when I honestly wish Christians could be forced to live by the words of their bible rather than what they think their bible says.
This is something, I guess. The payout Carter's getting is still egregiously wrong, but that's nothing new with Trump judicial appointees. Here's hoping we make it though the next few years with a democracy left.
If you won, why are you so whiney? Sore loser, sore winner, I think you just like being sore. What an awful way to live, makes me more secure in my atheism.
The right told the left to suck it up in 2016. The left turned the right's own phrase back on them in 2020. They never got over that. "How DARE you tell us to do what we told YOU to do! Harumph! Harumph!"
Says the World's Biggest Loser. Would you like to celebrate being such a loser with a nice slice of cake or a cup of pudding? If you ask nice, I could put the pudding over the cake.
A 5-deferment draft dodging chickenhawk who called those who actually served and even gave their lives "suckers and losers" now wants to be Kim Jong Un.
It's mind-boggling that the lower court is saying you can badmouth your private sector employer, in a highly public venue (online), 'while in uniform,' and your employer can't fire you for it...so long as what you say comes from your religious beliefs. Well, your conservative christian religious beliefs, at least.
This seems to be one where the courts lost sight of the forest because of the two crossed trees.
Hemant's argument about the lawyers religious freedom should have worked for the first ruling. What about the religious freedom of the union president to provide safe healthcare to women and transgender men who need it ?
Did anyone at Southwest forced carter to have an abortion ? No ? In that case, her religious freedom was not violated. As far as I know, having her ego hurt doesn't warrant a civil trial and compensation.
"She claimed she was fired for expressing her Christian beliefs"
It's well know Usians companies only hire one christian at a time.
There was a case in France with a couple formed of a trans man and a cis woman. His wife couldn't bring a pregnancy to the end and he still had his uterus, so he bore their child, and it's when problems started. With how the law is written, only mothers can give birth, not fathers. They wasted a lot of money and time to have the correct birth certificate with their two names.
Fucking forced-birther scum. No one forces them into having an abortion. But they want to make reproductive heath care even more fatal than it already is, which in a first-world country is way too high.
Republicans couldn't pass their own "big, beautiful bill" out of the House Budget Committee. Why? Because it doesn't cut spending enough. The cruel and devastating cuts to programs that millions of people rely on apparently need to be even MORE cruel and devastating.
The hospital is charging the family for it, too. Cruel isn't a strong enough word. "You're not allowed to say goodbye to your loved one for 4 more months. Oh, by the way, here's a bill for $500k."
Well we are talking about the bastards that let Amber Thurman die rather than give her a medically necessary D & C. And the bunch that had a miscarriage victim who was hemorrhaging out, unconscious on her lawn, arrested.
Thanks. The more attention on the matter the better.
I think the family should sue for mistreatment of a corpse. Wasn’t it Georgia that recently arrested a woman for improperly disposing of a miscarriage calling it mistreatment of a corpse? If we’re jailed for flushing products of conception, they ought to be jailed for abusing a dead woman like this. She didn’t ask for this, her family didn’t ask for this, there are protections for deceased people. Did she agree to being an organ donor? They’re forcing her to donate all her organs for this fetus without express consent to it.
Ooooohhhhhhh! This makes me sooooo mad. Every time I even think about it I just come up with another way they’re dehumanizing women and abusing and oppressing us.
Next time there is "religious freedom training," I want it on the experiences of Jews at the hands of anti-Semites, followed by lectures on both the Church of Satan and the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
I would say FORCED reading of "The Popes Against the Jews" by David I. Kertzer. The kkkristersy would probably see it as a book of ideas on treating others.
Defending freedom? They despise freedom. Oh, and be sure to take a squint on the section with Lisa Biron under "Moment of supreme irony." Surprised, anyone?
Its simply mind-boggling how many of these assertive Christisns collectively harbor a persecution complex, as if they themselves are being personally attacked if no one is receptive of their messages or if they are told to be quiet due to their being obnoxious or their harassing of others. This is especially true within public spaces connected to extensive organizations comprised of tens of thousands of separate individuals with varying viewpoints, such as undoubtedly Southwest Airlines. They do not seem to comprehend that freedom of speech and expression also extends to non-Christians who might not want to hear their rabble.
"Freedom of speech for me. Compliance with my beliefs for thee."
Protections for me, restrictions for thee.
SOP for them. 😝
Freedom of speech for the Christian Nazionalist means freedom from consequence for the hateful things they spew while repressing the speech of anyone who expresses pushback. Freedom of religion for them means freedom of their brand of Christianity and other religious viewpoints are not allowed.
Agreed, the makings of the USA becoming a total Christian theocracy thanks to MAGA and friends, scary.
In God We Trust?
While not quite on point, I’ve been lurking at The Christian Post website for a while now. There are some non-Christians who comment there — and some of the Christian commenters tell them they shouldn’t be reading and commenting on a Christian site. I.e., they are being persecuted by people commenting on a public website — JUST LIKE THEY DO!
I’ll bet you a bajillion zillion quintillion dollars they have zero issues going to atheist/non-christian sites and hellsplaining/proselytising there, as if they had a divine mandate to do so.
When conservative Christians talk about religious freedom, they are referring to themselves, and their entrenched sense of privilege. They cry persecution when ever anyone objects to having religion forced on them, but no group would be quicker to persecute others if given the chance. If you want to see what genuine persecution looks like . . . hand power to the preachers.
As a member of the clergy in the ECUSA, I get people very upset when I say that they are NOT persecuted. The media, Faux News, has hyper-inflated every aspect of any discussion that doesn’t move Christian Nationalism to the fore.
They go insane over the most inane things. But then get highly offended when you remind them that Christ wasn’t compelling people to follow him. Or that he wasn’t a fan of the state (Rome). He didn’t beat anyone into submission. (How dare I say that!!)
They usually end the conversation by insulting me, calling me “woke” or a “libtard”, or other epithet.
And look out when I bring up “Love your neighbor as yourself” or that as a “Christian Nation” we need to do better by the marginalized, the poor, the immigrant. You’d think I’m calling for heresy.
That's because to them, you are. They don't read the bible, and have no idea about the man they claim to follow's beliefs.
𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑗𝑢𝑑𝑔𝑒 𝑎𝑠𝑘𝑒𝑑 𝐶𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑒𝑟’𝑠 𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑛𝑒𝑦 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘𝑒𝑟 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑏𝑒 𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑜𝑤𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑔𝑒𝑡 𝑎𝑤𝑎𝑦 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑎𝑠𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑐𝑜𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘𝑒𝑟𝑠 “𝑎𝑠 𝑙𝑜𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑠 𝑖𝑡’𝑠 𝑐𝑙𝑜𝑎𝑘𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑛 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑡 𝑜𝑟 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑝𝑟𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑐𝑒.”
Why wasn't this 𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆 relevant question asked during the original trial? Oh yeah, Christian Nazionalists think harassment 𝘪𝘴 religious practice.
𝑊ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑎𝑙𝑠𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑒𝑑 𝑎 𝑠𝑝𝑒𝑐𝑖𝑓𝑖𝑐 𝑓𝑖𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑆𝑜𝑢𝑡ℎ𝑤𝑒𝑠𝑡 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝐶𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑜𝑓 ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑓𝑠, 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑑𝑖𝑑 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑗𝑢𝑟𝑦’𝑠 𝑑𝑒𝑐𝑖𝑠𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑟 𝐶𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑒𝑟’𝑠 𝑓𝑖𝑛𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑙 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑝𝑒𝑛𝑠𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛.
So the appeals court decided that the answer to that relevant question was "no", but they thought that the poor unemployed flight attendant needed a retirement fund.
It could have been, we don't know. This was a jury award and juries tend side with the 'little guy' against the 'big corporation' when it comes to handing out money, sometimes in ridiculous ways.
But just reading Hemant's description, it doesn't sound like Southwest did much in the way of warning the employee to stop. Traditional harassment depends on 'unwanted,' and there's a bit in Hemant's post implying the victim simply never replied. As a 'best practice', corporations should know to document, document, document all the times management talked to that employee and told them what behavior was inappropriate and why, all the times they warned them to stop, all the second chances the employee got, etc. *before* you fired them.
It doesn't sound like Southwest had a lot of legal ammo in that department.
So the religious angle? Absurd. The judge got that wrong. But the wrongful termination angle? "You didn't warn me what I was doing was wrong/against policy" is a pretty common defense.
Agreed. When I needed to fire an employee, they were notified and put on a 90 day probation and during that time I had to document either positive changes or negative ones. I actually liked them and hoped things would change but alas.
I'm sure there were tons of documented complaints and she harassed one of the big bosses publicly.
Charlene Carter believes it’s appropriate to harass and declare other people “murderers” because of her delusional beliefs and 50+ years of antiabortion propaganda and brainwashing. Funny, if we are to take a quick look around at who exactly the “murderers” might be as women are dying of sepsis in ERs around the country, she might want to take a long look in the mirror.
Make no mistake, the current administration also pardoned a slew of violent antiabortion extremists from prison recently and basically gave them permission to go out and harass whomever they please. The point is to send the signal out that this behavior is perfectly fine.
Less than 50 years of propaganda. The religious reich didn't ramp up focus on abortion until around 1978, when segregation became too toxic for even them. Their current support for indiscriminate deportations suggests that their founding principles are still there. Carter appears to be young enough for that anti women's rights propaganda to have apanned her entire life. Indoctrination is one hell of a drug.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133
The last election proved to me that misogyny remains more palatable publicly to many Americans.
I’d say that publicly palatable (took me a few to work out the adjectives) misogyny became really, really obvious in 2016.
"to many Americans" Agreed, in North and South America including the United States.
God Bless America?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedantic
How kind of you. Thanks
Indeed. I was in a museum in Peru looking at paintings and the guide explained how the artists were forced to depict their painting of a mountain 🏔️ instead as “Mary’s dress” which also just happened to be in the shape of a mountain.
Approx when were these paintings created? Sounds very……Catholic.
Yep, absolutely the Catholics. It was so long ago I was there, but I believe they were from the 18th-century
Indeed. Including many brainwashed women.
Right, such a fantastic article every antiabortion activist and just everyone should read so they understand exactly what they are supporting. It isn’t a coincidence that we are also seeing public education destroyed/defunded with hopes to funnel that money directly into private Christian (segregated) schools.
And those biologically inaccurate computer generated "Baby Olivia" propaganda videos they want to force every school to show.
Norwegian here. Never heard about "Baby Olivia". What's that about?
Let’s not forget that we now cannot allow a pregnant person to die, even if we cannot save her no matter how far along she was in the pregnancy. In Georgia right now there’s a woman who has been brain dead for three months who is being kept on life support because she was 9weeks pregnant when she died. NINE WEEKS. I could see if a woman was very near viability when she died and the family wanted to try to protect the fetus, but nine weeks is not going to turn out like they hope. And the family is begging the hospital and the politicians (because this is all about the politicians and not doctors or healthcare or even saving anyone) to allow them to die in peace rather than be tortured in this way.
We aren’t allowed to die, we aren’t allowed to live, we are only here to incubate more humans. If we fail to bring a baby to term, we don’t deserve to live through it. If we die in the process and the baby’s heart cells are still fluttering, well, then we are kept on machines until they can take the baby by force.
The fetus has major risks of cognitive and physical impairment, if they survive. The ones at the origine of this cruelty should pay for it.
I also read that this will probably force her family into medical bankruptcy. Piling the grief upon grief.
Not counting the cost of the funerals.
Sounds like they’re trying to create a future Republican President.
I’ve been trying not to throw up since I heard this news. My heart breaks for her and her family. This must qualify as cruel and unusual punishment.
Of all the science fiction concepts I didn't expect to come to life, the Bene Tleilax from the Dune series would have been near the top of my list. Using brain dead women as incubators is pretty appalling.
You know they have been trying to work out the logistics to make it happen.
The last time they did that it didn't work out well, at all they both died. Well she was already dead, there's no coming back from brain death.
I dunno, at least half of Congress and all of the White House are brain dead and they’re doing just fine.
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Every accusation is a confession.
Denmark has universal healthcare and free college, a $25 minimum wage, and most workers work 35 hours/week. I wonder why they're the happiest country in the world?
A huge bag of weed?
youtu.be/NpS4ebEtLUE
I thought that was Finland – apparently when the Finns found out they were the happiest country in the world a few years ago, they complained about it.
All the nordic countries* score high on happiness and real freedom.
*) Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweeden.
Norway is almost there too. Max 40 hours/week. Many have 35 h/w due to agreement between corporat owner and the union. 5-7 weeks paid vacation. Pregnant people get paid leave the last weeks before birth, that does wonder for baby and mother's health. The father/other parent gets some paid weeks off to take care of mother and child. Sick leave is not a legal reason for firing people. I could go on.
There are days when I honestly wish Christians could be forced to live by the words of their bible rather than what they think their bible says.
This is something, I guess. The payout Carter's getting is still egregiously wrong, but that's nothing new with Trump judicial appointees. Here's hoping we make it though the next few years with a democracy left.
If you won, why are you so whiney? Sore loser, sore winner, I think you just like being sore. What an awful way to live, makes me more secure in my atheism.
The right told the left to suck it up in 2016. The left turned the right's own phrase back on them in 2020. They never got over that. "How DARE you tell us to do what we told YOU to do! Harumph! Harumph!"
What did I miss? Looking at "Comment removed".
Says the World's Biggest Loser. Would you like to celebrate being such a loser with a nice slice of cake or a cup of pudding? If you ask nice, I could put the pudding over the cake.
Christian love. They're full of it.
All kinds of rancidness.
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I made sure that "They're full of it" had more than one meaning. 😊
I'd rather my taxes fund
Sesame Street than a
80-year-old brat's birthday parade.
A 5-deferment draft dodging chickenhawk who called those who actually served and even gave their lives "suckers and losers" now wants to be Kim Jong Un.
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
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Oh, I LIKE that one!
It's a great quote. Unfortunately, Socrates never said it.
Oh, well. Guess I'll have to look elsewhere for tomorrow's Quote of the Day. 🤷♂️
Here’s what Snopes had to say
snopes.com/fact-check/socrates-debate-lost-slander-loser/
Don't cry, have either some cake or some pudding.
Why does this make me think of Pink Floyd and The Wall?
Something like "You can't have any pudding if you don't eat the meat"?
It's mind-boggling that the lower court is saying you can badmouth your private sector employer, in a highly public venue (online), 'while in uniform,' and your employer can't fire you for it...so long as what you say comes from your religious beliefs. Well, your conservative christian religious beliefs, at least.
This seems to be one where the courts lost sight of the forest because of the two crossed trees.
Hemant's argument about the lawyers religious freedom should have worked for the first ruling. What about the religious freedom of the union president to provide safe healthcare to women and transgender men who need it ?
Did anyone at Southwest forced carter to have an abortion ? No ? In that case, her religious freedom was not violated. As far as I know, having her ego hurt doesn't warrant a civil trial and compensation.
"She claimed she was fired for expressing her Christian beliefs"
It's well know Usians companies only hire one christian at a time.
Thank you for including trans folks ❤️❤️❤️
This is why I try to include them every time
There was a case in France with a couple formed of a trans man and a cis woman. His wife couldn't bring a pregnancy to the end and he still had his uterus, so he bore their child, and it's when problems started. With how the law is written, only mothers can give birth, not fathers. They wasted a lot of money and time to have the correct birth certificate with their two names.
Jesus. It's stuff like that that scares me---like if I need repro healthcare, how is my insurance gonna treat me, the pharmacy, etc etc.
Depends on where you live, unfortunately. I have a transman relative who’s had no problem getting reproductive care.
Pro-tip: do NOT come to Malaysia for that. You’ll have just as much trouble.
Apparently one of them wasn’t the white kind of Christian.
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Fucking forced-birther scum. No one forces them into having an abortion. But they want to make reproductive heath care even more fatal than it already is, which in a first-world country is way too high.
CRUELTY IS THEIR POINT...
Republicans couldn't pass their own "big, beautiful bill" out of the House Budget Committee. Why? Because it doesn't cut spending enough. The cruel and devastating cuts to programs that millions of people rely on apparently need to be even MORE cruel and devastating.
OT: Georgia is now demanding corpses be used as incubators. The woman died at 9 weeks gestation.
https://apnews.com/article/pregnant-woman-brain-dead-abortion-ban-georgia-a85a5906e5b2c4889525f2300c441745
Georgia, the land of the loony MTG.
Will they make her breastfeed? Or is that considered obscene by kkkristers?
Utter insanity. The state of Georgia apparently has no regard for the woman or her family, just for a pregnancy that has the odds against it.
The hospital is charging the family for it, too. Cruel isn't a strong enough word. "You're not allowed to say goodbye to your loved one for 4 more months. Oh, by the way, here's a bill for $500k."
The state is pushing it. Let them pay
Cause and effect is now a liberal idea. This is just one case. If this sort of thing becomes widespread, which seems likely
1) Getting pregnant risks putting your family into bankruptcy
2) If a hospital is forced to do this too many times, they will either have to raise their prices or go bankrupt themselves.
3) This cost will be passed along to consumers.
4) Health care will get even crappier because people can't afford it.
Five hundred k? I think you left out three zeroes.
Well we are talking about the bastards that let Amber Thurman die rather than give her a medically necessary D & C. And the bunch that had a miscarriage victim who was hemorrhaging out, unconscious on her lawn, arrested.
Val beat you to it 😁
Thanks. The more attention on the matter the better.
I think the family should sue for mistreatment of a corpse. Wasn’t it Georgia that recently arrested a woman for improperly disposing of a miscarriage calling it mistreatment of a corpse? If we’re jailed for flushing products of conception, they ought to be jailed for abusing a dead woman like this. She didn’t ask for this, her family didn’t ask for this, there are protections for deceased people. Did she agree to being an organ donor? They’re forcing her to donate all her organs for this fetus without express consent to it.
Ooooohhhhhhh! This makes me sooooo mad. Every time I even think about it I just come up with another way they’re dehumanizing women and abusing and oppressing us.
That lawsuit should be filed in federal court. It's obvious that Georgia would side with the hospital since they don't consider women to be people.
Would that hold ? The dobbs abomination is still in effect.
This is what christains think every woman should be.
ADF was one of many “esteemed non-profit organizations.”
Lol
Sure, and the KKK is just an neighborhood outreach organization.
I posted ADFs true nature elsewhere on the thread. Not quite so lofty, I can assure you.
They are nasty, vile people.
Agreed. Vile was one of the terms I used.
I haven’t been through the threads yet.
Good for Judge Geidner.
Next time there is "religious freedom training," I want it on the experiences of Jews at the hands of anti-Semites, followed by lectures on both the Church of Satan and the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
I would say FORCED reading of "The Popes Against the Jews" by David I. Kertzer. The kkkristersy would probably see it as a book of ideas on treating others.
Along with "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion."
So, she gets paid for spreading her bullshit, and only because her religious beliefs feelings were hurt? What complete bullshit!!
If anyone needs a reminder of just how vile ADF is...
rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alliance_Defending_Freedom
Defending freedom? They despise freedom. Oh, and be sure to take a squint on the section with Lisa Biron under "Moment of supreme irony." Surprised, anyone?
The only freedom they support is their right to beat everyone into submission to them.
Obligatory: Not A Drag Queen.