Absolutely. I have tried to find out if there were any signs that could have told me what was going on. I was 9 or 10 the night they fled and came to our place for help. Wich they got of course. It was crowded for a while, but safe for them. The rapist did some jailtime and was forbidden to visit his kids and their family. He is dead now.
There's no way that at 9 or 10 you would even have known what to look for. No child should have to even think that way, especially about a family member. That was up to the adults to handle. I'm sorry they didn't protect your cousins.
Safer? Purer? Horseshit. Purity culture nonsense doing its maximum harm.
Having so many children that you cannot effectively raise them is problematic at best. Add to that the indoctrination. Teaching the kids that women are things who are only there to shove babies out the hoohah, teaching them that you have to start young to maximize that number of babies, and then telling them that the only permissible way is missionary position with a spouse is guaranteed to lead to abuse.
It wasn't if another Duggar would get caught doing horrible things to children, it was when.
I grew up down the street from a very Catholic family that didn’t believe in birth control. They had several children which the (we) neighbors all took turns cooking for each week because they couldn’t afford to feed them. One of the children died during high school and another was born with Down syndrome as the mother was in her late 40’s when she had her. Another child was admitted to a mental hospital for most of his childhood. My parents thought it was fine to send me over there to play when I was young. I always got the sense that there was some sort of abuse going on within the family. I have nightmares thinking about it now. Entire families and anyone who comes in contact with them suffer the consequences of such hideous preacher teachings.
The parents of this family, like other church-going Catholic families, were told by their church leaders that birth control is a sin because it interferes with God's will. So a woman should continue to have children during her child-bearing years even, as in the case of this family, they cannot afford to feed, clothe, and educate them. This is tragic on several levels and I think that the Vatican should face a class-action lawsuit because of their gross negligence.
The Vatican should face far more than a lawsuit for their crimes over the centuries- the entire vile edifice should be razed to the ground and plowed over for a memorial to all of the RCC's victims.
I still like The Shoes of the Fisherman solution: strip them of ALL their wealth and use it to feed and educate the poor ... WITHOUT religious education!
Yes agreed. I didn’t understand this until later of course. I remember all of the kids smelled really bad as well, so they were bullied at school. Apparently, the mother now has such bad osteoporosis that she is basically a hunchback and can barely walk or make it through grocery shopping. Very sad and infuriating.
Does anyone remember the movie “Vera”? There is a scene after she has been arrested for providing abortions when the family is sitting together in the cramped living room wondering who knew, and what’s going to happen next. They all agree she is a good person so why would she do this despite the law and the morality, etc.?
The daughter’s fiancee comments that maybe if his own mother hadn’t had so many children she could have loved them better.
The few episodes of 19kids I watched, and they were early episodes, I noticed that Jim Bob and Michelle weren’t all that aware of what their kids were doing. The folks working on the show, camera operators and other staff, had a better handle on the kids than they did and it was clear the staff were corralling the children making the parents look better than they were.
I once had a discussion about the show with my SIL and she accused me of just complaining because I didn’t believe how they did. There was something about the show that I couldn’t pin down at the time and so my complaint was just that they had a lot of kids. But I did mention this lack of concern for the children that was evident. My mother had 8 brothers and sisters and she was parentified, just as the older Duggar girls were, and my younger aunts and uncles were targets of abuse by the older siblings. It’s almost like making your children parent themselves offers opportunities for abuse and a lack of understanding of what behaviors are wrong. This was something I tried to communicate to my SIL, but she didn’t listen.
I do know that not all big families have this issue, and the abuse by siblings happens in smaller families, but it is a problem with a lack of parental guidance or attention, which is more likely when there are more children. The Duggars focus was their religious convictions, their children were collateral damage. Not unlike the Turpins and multiple other religious fanatics.
Who should expect a 10-year-old or 12-year old to parent correctly? Not me. If the parentified older sibs did wrong, I lay most of that at the feet of the parents, not the kids.
Yeah, this was an issue with my grandparents and not my mother as a parentified child. I’m sorry if that was unclear in my comment.
Though the abuse was happening by the older children that weren’t parentified, the boys specifically, their behavior was a result of their parents lack of involvement but, just as with Josh Duggar, their behavior was still their responsibility to an extent. And now that they’re elderly and half are dead, they continued to have terrible problems with alcohol and abuse their entire lives. The girls, even those who were able to have healthy relationships with their spouses, had trouble with acceptable boundaries surrounding sex, teaching these issues to their children.
Yeah Joe was 26 when he committed his crime; there's no 'I was parentified' excuse for that.
Really not much of an excuse for a normal 10- or 12- year old, either. But it would be very understandable for such a young kid to abuse their sister if Jim Bob or Michelle or another adult had abused them first. It is often typical AIUI that absused children to act out their abuse on others. Which is not a big stretch to think this might be why the Duggars have a high number of abusers.
I wish I could say I find this surprising but the terminally religious never seem to have a problem with hypocrisy, and always manage to excuse themselves for almost anything. I never watched their awful television program. One look at Jim Bob Duggar told me he was a smarmy, religious creep and a control freak. Nothing has made me doubt that conclusion. What kind of a grown man goes by Jim Bob?
I think this is largely a product of the sizzle-over-steak attitude that we are finding a LOT of, both in the political and religious right wing. It's been going on for a while, particularly since Reagan took the reins.
And it has done the us and the U.S. no good at all.
This made me remember a T.V. Show where a character would introduce himself and his two brothers with: Hi, I’m Daryle, and this is my brother Larry, and my other brother Larry! I can’t remember the show!
Shakespeare. There is always an answer in shakespeare. I can see the three witches from MacBeth now:
DUggar, duggar,
roil and bugger.
Hellfire burn
Girl? drug her.
All the perfumes of Araby will not get the stench of hypocrisy out of those Lily white hands.
I have two thoughts about this. The first thought: so we already have little Josh convicted of all kinds of sexual shenanigans, some of them even involving adults. And now we have another Duggar Duggar molesting a little girl. Now one child molester in the family of 21 is statistically not unexpected although it might be considered an aberration. But two of them? “ Look like the innocent flower, / But be the serpent under't.”
Methinks there is much more than a mere coincidence here. I’m pretty sure that statistics show that children who are molested are more likely to go on to be molesters themselves. We also know that most of the child molestation occurs within the holy heterosexual family, with the father being the perpetrator half of the time.So, with these three little facts, one has to wonder who started the cycle of abuse in the Duggarduggars?
But remember, kids! Every child deserves to grow up in a good christian family with a father and mother who love them so that they grow up properly to be good christians. MIchelebillyjimbob would probably agree and make a few public service announcements about the evil gay people.
But there was another issue here which Hemant touches on. Every time another story comes into my newsfeed about a Christian pastor being arrested, or convicted, or sentenced for sex crimes, usually against children, often against women, occasionally against men— I write a letter to the author of the article, pointing out that for decades the Christian right has been blaming people, then drag queens, and now transgender people for child molestation. But the numberS don’t add up. You’ll get a few hits every year for the LGBT people, but you’ll get literally thousands or hundreds of thousands or millions of hits for clergy sexual abuse. And of course, there are also all of the coverups in such Sterling examples of Christian rectitude as the Catholic Church, the southern Baptist, the assemblies of God— Holy St. Peternel!!!!!
It’s short, the very people making bank and accruing power by blaming innocent other people are in fact the real problem here, engaging in literally centuries long coverups in order to disguise their own sins. And as I have said, I’ve written a lot of letters to these reporters, but only heard back from a few of them.
Centuries of abuse and centuries of coverups by the very people who claim to be the guardians of morality who are hell bent on protect protecting innocent children from the mythical depredations of very real and very innocent people.
This isn’t mere hypocrisy. This is the very essence of corruption. They have become that which they hate, allegedly, except that they don’t seem to hate it as much in themselves as they hate it in innocent other people who aren’t doing any of it. They clearly do not believe what they claime to believe, which is not again hypocrisy, but absolute moral corruption.
You would almost think that Duggar is simply simply another name for Trumpenepstein.
And in his anger he stamped with his right foot so hard that it went into the ground above his knee; then he seized his left foot with both his tiny hands in such a fury that he split in two, and there was an end of him.
Which is disgusting, kids deserve a home that is both safe (as theirs is not) and where they can have adults that spend enough time one on one, with them to teach them how to become decent members of society. (which is obviously not the Quiverful goal, they want simple-minded drones to use as numbers for power.)
... That we know of. Among the sadder issues regarding families like the Duggars is that one or more of the kids MIGHT be gay / lesbian / bi / trans ... and scared shitless that they might be found out.
And I mean it when I say that bothers the daylights outta me.
Dog help me , I live in the same state as these people! People from across the US look down on Arkansas, but even within the state we have our own biases. Here in the Memphis dominated Delta Region we roll our eyes at "Hill People". Duggars are hill people. All counties that touch the Mississippi River vote blue consistently. Hill counties were red before Nixon.
Hmm. As an aside, I find it interesting that the pattern of voting can be shown by following the Mississippi. And now I have one reason to think of visiting Arkansas.
I'm not wild for this brand of cliche, but it's true: the apple doesn't fall far from the tree ... AND that kids tend to learn from their elders. Never watched 19 Kids and never wanted to, but my suspicion is that at some level or other, Joseph knew or intuited what his father was doing. It's possible that most of the older kids were aware at some level or other.
And one has to wonder: just how much MORE of this has happened and IS HAPPENING within the Duggar family?
And Mike Huckabee who refused to denounce Josh Duggar, and sent him to a state trooper for counseling (how not to get caught) instead of for actual professional help.
Has no one ever connected the dots, that he knew the trooper was a kiddy-diddler and covered up for him? And that trooper got a 56 year sentence because the child abuse images were so of kids so young? Just like Josh Duggars?
Denial and blame-shifting are common well beyond "Christian." Over-emphasizing stranger danger is the way many many people deal with an unthinkable truth - i.e. that your family and friends and the people you love most are actually the most likely people to abuse your kids.
But even that realistic danger of abuse is usually pretty low. Not 3 out of every 19 relatives. The Duggars are absolutely showing a systemic problem with their child-rearing techniques.
In Norway that was legal until dec. 31st in 2024. Illeagal from 2025. Wich means that if my parents tried to get married now, they would have been stopped. My brother is my cousin once removed? (not sure how USAians would label this).
OTOH, if cousins fall in love, want to live together and have children; a law against marriage is not going to stop them. It may make things a bit more inconvenient but there are a lot of committed couples out there who have chosen to forego the legalities of marriage. So we would end up with a law on the books that basically does nothing.
In that fundie bubble, I willing to bet that the community will blame the girl for the causing the abuse to happened. I hope not only she get the help she needs, but leaves that fundie community completely!
And all this happened right under the nose of the xtian god. His course of action? Sit and do nothing.
For those who want us to believe and to follow: A god that does nothing while children in families bearing his son's name are being molested? Nothing doing.
But...but...free will and, you know... mysterious ways...and demons. God is good and Jesus loves the little children and don't you go trying to tell me different. You're just a bad person who worships Satin.
Kudos to that 14-year-old for speaking up. No way is she his only victim.
It never is, is it?
We had a predator in my dad's family in the 1970ies. Four of my cousins was raped several times before he was stopped.
That's awful!
Absolutely. I have tried to find out if there were any signs that could have told me what was going on. I was 9 or 10 the night they fled and came to our place for help. Wich they got of course. It was crowded for a while, but safe for them. The rapist did some jailtime and was forbidden to visit his kids and their family. He is dead now.
There's no way that at 9 or 10 you would even have known what to look for. No child should have to even think that way, especially about a family member. That was up to the adults to handle. I'm sorry they didn't protect your cousins.
𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝐷𝑢𝑔𝑔𝑎𝑟𝑠 𝑠𝑝𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑠𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑙 𝑦𝑒𝑎𝑟𝑠 𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑦𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑓𝑎𝑚𝑖𝑙𝑦 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑏𝑒𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑒𝑙𝑠𝑒’𝑠 𝑓𝑎𝑚𝑖𝑙𝑦 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑐𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑏𝑢𝑖𝑙𝑡 𝑜𝑛 𝑎 𝑓𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑓 𝑢𝑛𝑢𝑠𝑒𝑑 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑑𝑜𝑚𝑠. 𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑓𝑎𝑖𝑡ℎ-𝑏𝑎𝑠𝑒𝑑 𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑓𝑢𝑙𝑙 ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑠𝑒ℎ𝑜𝑙𝑑 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑏𝑟𝑜𝑎𝑑𝑐𝑎𝑠𝑡 𝑎𝑠 𝑠𝑎𝑓𝑒𝑟, 𝑝𝑢𝑟𝑒𝑟, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑠𝑡𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑡ℎ𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑒𝑐𝑢𝑙𝑎𝑟 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑙𝑑 𝑎𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚.
Safer? Purer? Horseshit. Purity culture nonsense doing its maximum harm.
Having so many children that you cannot effectively raise them is problematic at best. Add to that the indoctrination. Teaching the kids that women are things who are only there to shove babies out the hoohah, teaching them that you have to start young to maximize that number of babies, and then telling them that the only permissible way is missionary position with a spouse is guaranteed to lead to abuse.
It wasn't if another Duggar would get caught doing horrible things to children, it was when.
I grew up down the street from a very Catholic family that didn’t believe in birth control. They had several children which the (we) neighbors all took turns cooking for each week because they couldn’t afford to feed them. One of the children died during high school and another was born with Down syndrome as the mother was in her late 40’s when she had her. Another child was admitted to a mental hospital for most of his childhood. My parents thought it was fine to send me over there to play when I was young. I always got the sense that there was some sort of abuse going on within the family. I have nightmares thinking about it now. Entire families and anyone who comes in contact with them suffer the consequences of such hideous preacher teachings.
The parents of this family, like other church-going Catholic families, were told by their church leaders that birth control is a sin because it interferes with God's will. So a woman should continue to have children during her child-bearing years even, as in the case of this family, they cannot afford to feed, clothe, and educate them. This is tragic on several levels and I think that the Vatican should face a class-action lawsuit because of their gross negligence.
The Vatican should face far more than a lawsuit for their crimes over the centuries- the entire vile edifice should be razed to the ground and plowed over for a memorial to all of the RCC's victims.
I still like The Shoes of the Fisherman solution: strip them of ALL their wealth and use it to feed and educate the poor ... WITHOUT religious education!
I do believe they've had enough of that noise.
I second, and third that option!
Yes agreed. I didn’t understand this until later of course. I remember all of the kids smelled really bad as well, so they were bullied at school. Apparently, the mother now has such bad osteoporosis that she is basically a hunchback and can barely walk or make it through grocery shopping. Very sad and infuriating.
Wow ... when ideology and dogma override common sense, empathy, and compassion, I can't imagine anything good coming out of that.
Does anyone remember the movie “Vera”? There is a scene after she has been arrested for providing abortions when the family is sitting together in the cramped living room wondering who knew, and what’s going to happen next. They all agree she is a good person so why would she do this despite the law and the morality, etc.?
The daughter’s fiancee comments that maybe if his own mother hadn’t had so many children she could have loved them better.
The few episodes of 19kids I watched, and they were early episodes, I noticed that Jim Bob and Michelle weren’t all that aware of what their kids were doing. The folks working on the show, camera operators and other staff, had a better handle on the kids than they did and it was clear the staff were corralling the children making the parents look better than they were.
I once had a discussion about the show with my SIL and she accused me of just complaining because I didn’t believe how they did. There was something about the show that I couldn’t pin down at the time and so my complaint was just that they had a lot of kids. But I did mention this lack of concern for the children that was evident. My mother had 8 brothers and sisters and she was parentified, just as the older Duggar girls were, and my younger aunts and uncles were targets of abuse by the older siblings. It’s almost like making your children parent themselves offers opportunities for abuse and a lack of understanding of what behaviors are wrong. This was something I tried to communicate to my SIL, but she didn’t listen.
I do know that not all big families have this issue, and the abuse by siblings happens in smaller families, but it is a problem with a lack of parental guidance or attention, which is more likely when there are more children. The Duggars focus was their religious convictions, their children were collateral damage. Not unlike the Turpins and multiple other religious fanatics.
𝐼𝑡’𝑠 𝑎𝑙𝑚𝑜𝑠𝑡 𝑙𝑖𝑘𝑒 𝑚𝑎𝑘𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛 𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑣𝑒𝑠 𝑜𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑜𝑝𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡𝑢𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑎𝑏𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑎 𝑙𝑎𝑐𝑘 𝑜𝑓 𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑜𝑓 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑏𝑒ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑖𝑜𝑟𝑠 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑤𝑟𝑜𝑛𝑔.
Who should expect a 10-year-old or 12-year old to parent correctly? Not me. If the parentified older sibs did wrong, I lay most of that at the feet of the parents, not the kids.
Yeah, this was an issue with my grandparents and not my mother as a parentified child. I’m sorry if that was unclear in my comment.
Though the abuse was happening by the older children that weren’t parentified, the boys specifically, their behavior was a result of their parents lack of involvement but, just as with Josh Duggar, their behavior was still their responsibility to an extent. And now that they’re elderly and half are dead, they continued to have terrible problems with alcohol and abuse their entire lives. The girls, even those who were able to have healthy relationships with their spouses, had trouble with acceptable boundaries surrounding sex, teaching these issues to their children.
Yeah Joe was 26 when he committed his crime; there's no 'I was parentified' excuse for that.
Really not much of an excuse for a normal 10- or 12- year old, either. But it would be very understandable for such a young kid to abuse their sister if Jim Bob or Michelle or another adult had abused them first. It is often typical AIUI that absused children to act out their abuse on others. Which is not a big stretch to think this might be why the Duggars have a high number of abusers.
You mean he was 26 when he got caught. No way was it his first time molesting young kids. I would bet most didn't even know they could tell on him.
*when
Or any of the "wh" words....who, what, when, where, why.
Or WHOOPEE!
(Fixed typo. Thanks!)
𝑁𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑠𝑒 𝑓𝑎𝑚𝑖𝑙𝑦 𝑚𝑒𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟𝑠, 𝑏𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑦, 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑟𝑎𝑔 𝑞𝑢𝑒𝑒𝑛𝑠.
Hemant beat us to it!
Boreal beat Hemant to this story by an hour. :)
I wish I could say I find this surprising but the terminally religious never seem to have a problem with hypocrisy, and always manage to excuse themselves for almost anything. I never watched their awful television program. One look at Jim Bob Duggar told me he was a smarmy, religious creep and a control freak. Nothing has made me doubt that conclusion. What kind of a grown man goes by Jim Bob?
Markwayne?
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, BINGO!
I think this is largely a product of the sizzle-over-steak attitude that we are finding a LOT of, both in the political and religious right wing. It's been going on for a while, particularly since Reagan took the reins.
And it has done the us and the U.S. no good at all.
Billy Bob’s brother, of course
This made me remember a T.V. Show where a character would introduce himself and his two brothers with: Hi, I’m Daryle, and this is my brother Larry, and my other brother Larry! I can’t remember the show!
Didn't Bob Newhart do that with two characters with the same name?
My brother Darrel and my other brother Darrel.
Yes, the Bob Newhart show! Thanks Troublesh00ter!
Newhart was him as the innkeeper, the Bob Newhart show was him as the psychiatrist.
I could never get the two shows straight, thanks everyone who got the info for me !
My pleasure, John!
It was 'Larry, Daryl and Daryl', and yup second Bob Newhart show.
Bob Newhart
Once he hits 18, he should go by James Robert as his mamma named him.
Always makes me think of this: https://youtu.be/5aKxOUZPIxM?si=2UiDBQCyN-eejU0H&t=396
I call him Jim Boob.
The family that preys together...
lol, I like that...preys
Hoss? I thought you were dead.
(in Dan Blocker's voice): Still alive and kickin, ma'am.
Shakespeare. There is always an answer in shakespeare. I can see the three witches from MacBeth now:
DUggar, duggar,
roil and bugger.
Hellfire burn
Girl? drug her.
All the perfumes of Araby will not get the stench of hypocrisy out of those Lily white hands.
I have two thoughts about this. The first thought: so we already have little Josh convicted of all kinds of sexual shenanigans, some of them even involving adults. And now we have another Duggar Duggar molesting a little girl. Now one child molester in the family of 21 is statistically not unexpected although it might be considered an aberration. But two of them? “ Look like the innocent flower, / But be the serpent under't.”
Methinks there is much more than a mere coincidence here. I’m pretty sure that statistics show that children who are molested are more likely to go on to be molesters themselves. We also know that most of the child molestation occurs within the holy heterosexual family, with the father being the perpetrator half of the time.So, with these three little facts, one has to wonder who started the cycle of abuse in the Duggarduggars?
But remember, kids! Every child deserves to grow up in a good christian family with a father and mother who love them so that they grow up properly to be good christians. MIchelebillyjimbob would probably agree and make a few public service announcements about the evil gay people.
But there was another issue here which Hemant touches on. Every time another story comes into my newsfeed about a Christian pastor being arrested, or convicted, or sentenced for sex crimes, usually against children, often against women, occasionally against men— I write a letter to the author of the article, pointing out that for decades the Christian right has been blaming people, then drag queens, and now transgender people for child molestation. But the numberS don’t add up. You’ll get a few hits every year for the LGBT people, but you’ll get literally thousands or hundreds of thousands or millions of hits for clergy sexual abuse. And of course, there are also all of the coverups in such Sterling examples of Christian rectitude as the Catholic Church, the southern Baptist, the assemblies of God— Holy St. Peternel!!!!!
It’s short, the very people making bank and accruing power by blaming innocent other people are in fact the real problem here, engaging in literally centuries long coverups in order to disguise their own sins. And as I have said, I’ve written a lot of letters to these reporters, but only heard back from a few of them.
Centuries of abuse and centuries of coverups by the very people who claim to be the guardians of morality who are hell bent on protect protecting innocent children from the mythical depredations of very real and very innocent people.
This isn’t mere hypocrisy. This is the very essence of corruption. They have become that which they hate, allegedly, except that they don’t seem to hate it as much in themselves as they hate it in innocent other people who aren’t doing any of it. They clearly do not believe what they claime to believe, which is not again hypocrisy, but absolute moral corruption.
You would almost think that Duggar is simply simply another name for Trumpenepstein.
Perhaps your name is Trumpenepstein, she said.
And in his anger he stamped with his right foot so hard that it went into the ground above his knee; then he seized his left foot with both his tiny hands in such a fury that he split in two, and there was an end of him.
It would take a lot to drive those cankles into the ground.
Sound more like his name is Trumpelstiltskin!
Trumplethinskin.
That, too! 👍 😁
So you know him?
I can’t say this emphatically enough, but there is NO GOD.
“Foundation of unused condoms”
Brilliant! Literally made me lol.
And has the benefit of being true. Ugh, idiots always breed, they are too stupid not to.
Which is disgusting, kids deserve a home that is both safe (as theirs is not) and where they can have adults that spend enough time one on one, with them to teach them how to become decent members of society. (which is obviously not the Quiverful goal, they want simple-minded drones to use as numbers for power.)
And not a single transgender man or woman in the entire Duggar clan.
... That we know of. Among the sadder issues regarding families like the Duggars is that one or more of the kids MIGHT be gay / lesbian / bi / trans ... and scared shitless that they might be found out.
And I mean it when I say that bothers the daylights outta me.
With that many kids, chances are pretty good there is a GLBTQ+ person or two among that bunch!
My point precisely! 🎯
So far, none of us dangerous LGBs either!
Dog help me , I live in the same state as these people! People from across the US look down on Arkansas, but even within the state we have our own biases. Here in the Memphis dominated Delta Region we roll our eyes at "Hill People". Duggars are hill people. All counties that touch the Mississippi River vote blue consistently. Hill counties were red before Nixon.
And a gracious good morning to you Nogodz!
Most of my inlaws live in Arkansas and nearby area. Been there on visits, but will not do that again until TYG is gone.
Yep. And he is proof that humans are not created by some imaginary deity.
And a top o' th' mornin' to ya, Donrox. :)
Hmm. As an aside, I find it interesting that the pattern of voting can be shown by following the Mississippi. And now I have one reason to think of visiting Arkansas.
I'm not wild for this brand of cliche, but it's true: the apple doesn't fall far from the tree ... AND that kids tend to learn from their elders. Never watched 19 Kids and never wanted to, but my suspicion is that at some level or other, Joseph knew or intuited what his father was doing. It's possible that most of the older kids were aware at some level or other.
And one has to wonder: just how much MORE of this has happened and IS HAPPENING within the Duggar family?
What has Jim Bob done, and why does he seem to have Epstein client list levels of protection?
Questions worthy of substantive answers! Sadly, we may never get them.
And Mike Huckabee who refused to denounce Josh Duggar, and sent him to a state trooper for counseling (how not to get caught) instead of for actual professional help.
Has no one ever connected the dots, that he knew the trooper was a kiddy-diddler and covered up for him? And that trooper got a 56 year sentence because the child abuse images were so of kids so young? Just like Josh Duggars?
Duggary: committing sex crimes against children.
Look THAT up in your Funk & Wagnall's!
Related terms:
Quiverfull: The Duggars have a quiverfull of pedophiles.
There is an editorial cartoon of that with Josh holding a piece of paper saying he inspired a new term "hold still while I Duggar you."
𝐼𝑡’𝑠 𝑎𝑙𝑠𝑜 𝑎 𝑟𝑒𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑓 ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑒𝑟𝑣𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑣𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑠 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑎𝑙𝑤𝑎𝑦𝑠 𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑦𝑒𝑑 𝑚𝑎𝑟𝑔𝑖𝑛𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑧𝑒𝑑 𝑔𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑝𝑠 𝑎𝑠 𝑒𝑥𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑡𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑘𝑖𝑑𝑠.
Denial and blame-shifting are common well beyond "Christian." Over-emphasizing stranger danger is the way many many people deal with an unthinkable truth - i.e. that your family and friends and the people you love most are actually the most likely people to abuse your kids.
But even that realistic danger of abuse is usually pretty low. Not 3 out of every 19 relatives. The Duggars are absolutely showing a systemic problem with their child-rearing techniques.
Any system that relies on superstition, myth, and lies can't be good for anyone, let alone kids!
Well considering serial sexual molester Bill Gothard is a close friend and mentor...
OT (mostly):
https://www.tag24.com/news/politics/us-politics/florida-fails-to-pass-legislation-to-outlaw-marriage-between-first-cousins-3481666
Why does this not surprise me?
And yet, they've always got enough votes to shit on LGBTQ+ people some more.
Why? Because it's Flori_DUMB.
Inbred, brain dead, born again = Christian fascist asshole!
Flori-duh! Trust me I'm surrounded by it.
How many marriages in the Florida Senate are to first cousins?
How many Giulianis live in Florida?
You're not supposed to ask questions like that. Too embarrassing for them and too disgusting to out-of-staters.
Or with their sister, aunt, etc.
Or with their sister aunt.
In Norway that was legal until dec. 31st in 2024. Illeagal from 2025. Wich means that if my parents tried to get married now, they would have been stopped. My brother is my cousin once removed? (not sure how USAians would label this).
OTOH, if cousins fall in love, want to live together and have children; a law against marriage is not going to stop them. It may make things a bit more inconvenient but there are a lot of committed couples out there who have chosen to forego the legalities of marriage. So we would end up with a law on the books that basically does nothing.
So the Duggar family has a higher percentage of child abusers than the LGBT community.
You know, this seems to be a theme with conservatives. Every accusation is an admission. I hope that girl finds the support she needs.
In that fundie bubble, I willing to bet that the community will blame the girl for the causing the abuse to happened. I hope not only she get the help she needs, but leaves that fundie community completely!
Agreed! It is sad to me that her future is so bleak right now...I know the community well and have been in therapy what is my fault and what wasn't.
I wish all the girls would. To see them turned into brood-sows is heartbreaking.
"None of these family members, by the way, are drag queens.."
Not yet.
And all this happened right under the nose of the xtian god. His course of action? Sit and do nothing.
For those who want us to believe and to follow: A god that does nothing while children in families bearing his son's name are being molested? Nothing doing.
I know I cite this a lot, but ... drat it, she is so DAMNED SHARP and her words are stone on point:
𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑒𝑖𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑎 𝐺𝑜𝑑 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑠 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑 𝑟𝑎𝑝𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑎𝑝𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛 𝑜𝑟 𝑦𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑎 𝐺𝑜𝑑 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑠𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑦 𝑤𝑎𝑡𝑐ℎ𝑒𝑠 𝑖𝑡 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑠, “𝑊ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑦𝑜𝑢’𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑜𝑛𝑒, 𝐼’𝑚 𝑔𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑢𝑛𝑖𝑠ℎ 𝑦𝑜𝑢.” 𝐼𝑓 𝐼 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑝 𝑎 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑟𝑎𝑝𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑, 𝐼 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑. 𝑇ℎ𝑎𝑡’𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑏𝑒𝑡𝑤𝑒𝑒𝑛 𝑚𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝐺𝑜𝑑.
-- Tracie Harris
Always bears repeating.
But...but...free will and, you know... mysterious ways...and demons. God is good and Jesus loves the little children and don't you go trying to tell me different. You're just a bad person who worships Satin.
Ave Satanas! 🤘😈
Satin's too damn slippery. Get too excited and you slide right off the bed and break a hip.
I remember the days (and nights)...water bed with satin sheets. Oh man, to have those times back again.