Obscenely unconstitutional, and naturally it came from a Republican. He's out of his mind if he thinks this law would result in better people. He may be familiar with the Bible, but like far too many of his fellow believers, does not appear to know anything about the history of Christianity. Christianity is the most factionalized religion on the planet, and nothing else even comes close. Attempting to sort out who was, or was not, a TRUE Christian has spilled a river of blood. The Thirty Years War being a prime example of it. Religion and morality do not exclude each other but they are very far from the same thing. I'm beyond sick of the people who keep trying to force their religion into the public schools.
It's always the King Jimmy. That shows it's a super conservative movement that wants to interpret the Bible for people. It's why they don't want to use modern versions. I thought they wanted books with sexual immorality in them out of schools. It was never about that.
"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest anything that is cruel."
Paine's Common Sense reads like a biblical hymn. Lots of references to God as an omniscient, merciful deity. Something changed in him by the time he wrote Age of Reason. Was it Reality? It's the kryptonite of Christianity.
I think the never-ending debate over the Bible is the real message contained in the magic book. I cannot accept the notion that the genuine word of god would be debatable. The staggering number of Christian sects should worry believers far more than it does.
Yeah, if their god does such a poor job communicating that Christians spent thousands of years killing each other for believing it the "wrong" way that should suggest that even if that god did exist, he isn't one who should be listened to.
And will get appealed. And appealed. Until it reaches SCOTUS where the Christian Nazionalists will try to get the Usurper, Fratboy, and the Handmaid to join with Uncle Clarence and Sammy to overturn 𝘈𝘣𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘥𝘰𝘯 𝘷 𝘚𝘤𝘩𝘦𝘮𝘱𝘱.
The Wells--father and son--have provided a great service with the SAB. Well worth reading and buying. Same for Dub Rankin's masterwork, The Queen Jane's Version.
My guess is they think this will be a chance to push their creeping Domionism in front of the Supremes, but aren't 5 or 6 of them practicing catholics? The ones in the statute are not the one the RCC mandates. A part of the polity in this Country is ascendant - the part which is utterly and totally intolerant of anything which is not white, evangelical christian, man on top - woman on the bottom, straight... They have fought for the last 50 years to get where they are and they are going for the gold ring.
The Heritage Foundation is mostly Opus Dei catholics. They are the smart fanatics. The Dominionists are anything but. It is marriage of convenience. They hate each other and believe the others are going to He’ll. Fun times ahead.
“ Bible “is the most important book in the world, molds public morality, impacts history, and contains unequaled literary value.”
This is as far detached from reality as the idea that hard-working Haitian immigrants eat other people’s pets, that Trump is God’s chosen one, that billionaires are your friends, or any of the rest of the far right propaganda.
The most important book in the world?2/3 of the world thinks the Christian story is nonsense. So much for the most important book in the world.
Molds public morality? Public morality just voted for Donald Trump. Every single day there is at least one to three or four stories about another child molesting pastor. Not to mention, there is very little in it, especially the magic, myths, and miracles part, that has a thing to do with reality. In short, it’s a bunch of lies.
Impacts history? Oh, yes it did. It justified slavery, misogyny, racism, homophobia, centuries of religious wars, torture, murder, child molestation.
Unequaled literary value? The closest thing of any literary value in it at all is maybe the song of songs, and that is a huge maybe.
In short, all of their arguments for it are lies. So much for molding public reality. But then, public reality believed the lies of Donald Trump
There is some truth to the literary value statement, the Bible is credited to being the inspiration for many great works of literature. Not that it makes the Bible good literature, just that it influenced some people, okay a lot of people, in western society. But that is not enough to justify this bill, for sure.
You know, normally I would say this is getting ridiculous, but it’s beyond that and I see it getting worse and worse and worse until this coup is halted
Redman wants to use the KJV, does he? I'm betting he hasn't got the slightest clue as to James I's...appetites. Nor how he rewarded his boyfriends.
Redman says the bible "molds public morality" when nothing could be further from the truth. Apparently, he isn't a student of recorded Christian history. "Unequaled literary value?" An omnibus of 66 anonymously authored works that are riddled with endless contradictions, gross factual errors and imaginary people, places and events. It's badly-written fiction in desperate need of an editor.
The bible has NO place in public schools except personal copes by students and faculty that can be read on their own time and not disrupting the education that children are supposed to be receiving.
I was listening to an NPR program today called “The Moth”. It’s about storytelling. I don’t go out of my way to listen to it but enjoy it when I stumble onto it. Mostly people talking about some episode in their life. One story today was told by a woman who was on a NYC subway train when some street preacher started yelling about the usual. After enduring him for a while, she broke out into singing “Row, row, row your boat” and gradually the entire subway car of people joined in. Drowning out the asshole.
Nothing is quite so effective at creating more atheists as close study of the Bible, so... y'know what? Fuck it. Have at it, NatCs of Idaho! Force schoolchildren to read that shitty old decrepit book of irrelevant ancient mythology. Hell, make daily Bible readings compulsory for every single person in the state!
You'll put your religion in the ground faster than we 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 could.
Oh to be in school the week you know Ezekiel 23 is, uh, coming up. The anticipation. The adult protests. The school principle making some hamhanded comment. The students vie-ing to be the one who gets to read. The original bill's author backtracking: "oh you liberals. It's fake news! My bill which says sequential and complete in no way said or implied that every verse would be read sequential and complete..."
What makes you think it won't hold up? Plus Couer d'Alene is famous for both Nazis and Libertarians. Neither wants you to have rights. If someone told you three years ago a bunch of twenty year-olds, one of whom is associated with a Nazi paedophile cult would be rummaging through Treasury's computers, would you have believed it?
Every time some idiot pulls this shit, some Dem needs to introduce a bill that requires reading of Dante’s Inferno, Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales, anything by Jonathan Swift or Shakespeare.
Obscenely unconstitutional, and naturally it came from a Republican. He's out of his mind if he thinks this law would result in better people. He may be familiar with the Bible, but like far too many of his fellow believers, does not appear to know anything about the history of Christianity. Christianity is the most factionalized religion on the planet, and nothing else even comes close. Attempting to sort out who was, or was not, a TRUE Christian has spilled a river of blood. The Thirty Years War being a prime example of it. Religion and morality do not exclude each other but they are very far from the same thing. I'm beyond sick of the people who keep trying to force their religion into the public schools.
“Obscenely unconstitutional” is their core competency.
It's always the King Jimmy. That shows it's a super conservative movement that wants to interpret the Bible for people. It's why they don't want to use modern versions. I thought they wanted books with sexual immorality in them out of schools. It was never about that.
They seem to think there is also a King James version of the Constitution.
King Jimmy was... ahem... gay...
Some sources dispute that--in favor of considering him bisexual. Just saying.
Ah whitewashing, it is everywhere.
Yes, there have been a few British monarchs that were.
Take heed, Idaho Christians...
"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest anything that is cruel."
-- Thomas Paine, from "The Age of Reason"
My friend Sean put it this way 40 years ago: Christianity is the worst thing that ever happened to the human race. And he was studying to be a priest!
Paine's Common Sense reads like a biblical hymn. Lots of references to God as an omniscient, merciful deity. Something changed in him by the time he wrote Age of Reason. Was it Reality? It's the kryptonite of Christianity.
Thanks! Great quote!
Can't go wrong with Paine.
I think the never-ending debate over the Bible is the real message contained in the magic book. I cannot accept the notion that the genuine word of god would be debatable. The staggering number of Christian sects should worry believers far more than it does.
Yeah, if their god does such a poor job communicating that Christians spent thousands of years killing each other for believing it the "wrong" way that should suggest that even if that god did exist, he isn't one who should be listened to.
𝑆𝑜 𝑖𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑏𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑝𝑎𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑠, 𝑖𝑡 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑏𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑛𝑔𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑛 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑡𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑐𝑘 𝑑𝑜𝑤𝑛 𝑢𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑒𝑥𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑙𝑎𝑤.
And will get appealed. And appealed. Until it reaches SCOTUS where the Christian Nazionalists will try to get the Usurper, Fratboy, and the Handmaid to join with Uncle Clarence and Sammy to overturn 𝘈𝘣𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘥𝘰𝘯 𝘷 𝘚𝘤𝘩𝘦𝘮𝘱𝘱.
I’m drawing a blank on who the Usurper is and why that’s his name. Not the Chief, I assume.
Gorsuch. Took Merrick Garland's seat.
Of course! Thank you.
Garland paid them back by slow-walking the investigations. 🤪
I tend to refer to fratboy as Rapey McBeerbong. Your list is short and direct. It sticks in moron ears better.
Ooooo, you want readings from the bible? Okay, I gots some GOODIES for you, then:
Psalms 137:9
Judges 19:22-29
Ezekiel 23:20
Ezekiel 20:25-26
And that's just off the top of my head. Go to The Skeptic's Annotated Bible and there are a LOT MORE to be found!
For all those “pro-lifers”
Hosea 13:16
Numbers 5:11-31
When the kiddies go home to ask their parent or "guardian" to explain these verses, wish I could be a fly on the wall.
The Wells--father and son--have provided a great service with the SAB. Well worth reading and buying. Same for Dub Rankin's masterwork, The Queen Jane's Version.
My guess is they think this will be a chance to push their creeping Domionism in front of the Supremes, but aren't 5 or 6 of them practicing catholics? The ones in the statute are not the one the RCC mandates. A part of the polity in this Country is ascendant - the part which is utterly and totally intolerant of anything which is not white, evangelical christian, man on top - woman on the bottom, straight... They have fought for the last 50 years to get where they are and they are going for the gold ring.
Since it's Idaho, I'm surprised he wasn't pushing the Book of Mormon.
I'll bet the Mormons are wondering the same thing!
Oooooh, just ordered that one and it's on the top of my pile to read! Thanks for the recommendation.
The Heritage Foundation is mostly Opus Dei catholics. They are the smart fanatics. The Dominionists are anything but. It is marriage of convenience. They hate each other and believe the others are going to He’ll. Fun times ahead.
Even as a practicing catholic I would be furious if my kids were in an Idaho school.
“ Bible “is the most important book in the world, molds public morality, impacts history, and contains unequaled literary value.”
This is as far detached from reality as the idea that hard-working Haitian immigrants eat other people’s pets, that Trump is God’s chosen one, that billionaires are your friends, or any of the rest of the far right propaganda.
The most important book in the world?2/3 of the world thinks the Christian story is nonsense. So much for the most important book in the world.
Molds public morality? Public morality just voted for Donald Trump. Every single day there is at least one to three or four stories about another child molesting pastor. Not to mention, there is very little in it, especially the magic, myths, and miracles part, that has a thing to do with reality. In short, it’s a bunch of lies.
Impacts history? Oh, yes it did. It justified slavery, misogyny, racism, homophobia, centuries of religious wars, torture, murder, child molestation.
Unequaled literary value? The closest thing of any literary value in it at all is maybe the song of songs, and that is a huge maybe.
In short, all of their arguments for it are lies. So much for molding public reality. But then, public reality believed the lies of Donald Trump
There is some truth to the literary value statement, the Bible is credited to being the inspiration for many great works of literature. Not that it makes the Bible good literature, just that it influenced some people, okay a lot of people, in western society. But that is not enough to justify this bill, for sure.
Yeah, why not read the good stuff?
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You know, normally I would say this is getting ridiculous, but it’s beyond that and I see it getting worse and worse and worse until this coup is halted
I'm not opposed to all religions. Only those that involve people.
I draw the line at deities.
Redman wants to use the KJV, does he? I'm betting he hasn't got the slightest clue as to James I's...appetites. Nor how he rewarded his boyfriends.
Redman says the bible "molds public morality" when nothing could be further from the truth. Apparently, he isn't a student of recorded Christian history. "Unequaled literary value?" An omnibus of 66 anonymously authored works that are riddled with endless contradictions, gross factual errors and imaginary people, places and events. It's badly-written fiction in desperate need of an editor.
The bible has NO place in public schools except personal copes by students and faculty that can be read on their own time and not disrupting the education that children are supposed to be receiving.
I was listening to an NPR program today called “The Moth”. It’s about storytelling. I don’t go out of my way to listen to it but enjoy it when I stumble onto it. Mostly people talking about some episode in their life. One story today was told by a woman who was on a NYC subway train when some street preacher started yelling about the usual. After enduring him for a while, she broke out into singing “Row, row, row your boat” and gradually the entire subway car of people joined in. Drowning out the asshole.
Nothing is quite so effective at creating more atheists as close study of the Bible, so... y'know what? Fuck it. Have at it, NatCs of Idaho! Force schoolchildren to read that shitty old decrepit book of irrelevant ancient mythology. Hell, make daily Bible readings compulsory for every single person in the state!
You'll put your religion in the ground faster than we 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 could.
They will cherry pick as they do now.
"Any question by any pupil relating to the Bible reading shall be referred to the pupil's parent or guardian."
Dear Parent or Guardian,
Little Suzy would like to know how big a donkey's penis is.
She would also like to know what "emissions like stallions" means.
Well it's obvious political theater, as it will never hold up.
Gotta give them points for this though:
𝐸𝑎𝑐ℎ 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑡 𝑠ℎ𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑜𝑟𝑔𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑧𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑑𝑎𝑖𝑙𝑦 𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑖𝑛 𝑠𝑢𝑐ℎ 𝑎 𝑤𝑎𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑟𝑒 𝐵𝑖𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑑 𝑠𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑒𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑡𝑒𝑛 (10) 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙 𝑦𝑒𝑎𝑟𝑠.
Oh to be in school the week you know Ezekiel 23 is, uh, coming up. The anticipation. The adult protests. The school principle making some hamhanded comment. The students vie-ing to be the one who gets to read. The original bill's author backtracking: "oh you liberals. It's fake news! My bill which says sequential and complete in no way said or implied that every verse would be read sequential and complete..."
What makes you think it won't hold up? Plus Couer d'Alene is famous for both Nazis and Libertarians. Neither wants you to have rights. If someone told you three years ago a bunch of twenty year-olds, one of whom is associated with a Nazi paedophile cult would be rummaging through Treasury's computers, would you have believed it?
As always my friend, you raise a good point.
Every time some idiot pulls this shit, some Dem needs to introduce a bill that requires reading of Dante’s Inferno, Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales, anything by Jonathan Swift or Shakespeare.
Throw in The Age of Reason, by Thomas Paine!
More goodness from Paine
learnreligions.com/top-thomas-paine-quotes-on-religion-4072775
"Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales"
Starting with the monks who have to share a gift or the widow story ?
Perhaps The Miller’s Tale?
I read it 25 years ago in French, I just remember the 2 stories I mentioned.
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