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NOGODZ20's avatar

No, darlin.' Being transgender isn't an ideology. It's religion that's an ideology (or one that functions like an ideology and has the elements of an ideology) and one that children need to be protected from, as police report after police report has shown.

bonk's avatar

#1 abuser of kids are religious conservatives.

Danielle Donovan's avatar

Yep- as I expected, you're one of those strange people who, for NO verifiable or factual reasons, believe you're just smarter and more qualified to be an opinion leader on a topic about which you know less than NOTHING. If you simply knew nothing, you wouldn't be a dangerous disinformation nitwit. In the absence of ANY qualifications, you've scribbled in all the empty space and come up with your unique theories. But it's more like a chimp with a typewriter styling himself as a teacher or pundit. Useless and worthy of scorn. So in your viewpoint, does the earth revolve around the sun, or is it vice-versa?

Brianna Seabury's avatar

What a fascinating thing to say.

You have a source to back it up?

Because on the flipside, I have a source for what happens when we decide we need to cut a chunk off of a child's penis, and then force him to be something he isn't. His name was David Reimer. Google him. Read his Wikipedia page. Read the sources. Far as I'm aware, he's the only person that anyone has tried to "force" to present a certain way, and that didn't end well for him.

Allie's avatar

The only folks who had a gender forced on them were people born with incongruent genital development or other problems that caused the birthing physician to assign them to a gender. This should be illegal as they often get it wrong.

Allie's avatar

Your "source" is a paid shill for the heritage foundation.

Digital Canary 💪💪🇨🇦🇺🇦🗽's avatar

So what *evidence* would convince you that your specific beliefs around transgenderism are false?

You’ve implicitly claimed that children do not need protection from this, in contrast to religion (on which I agree with you).

Based on what evidence?

Are you more qualified to assess the medical evidence than numerous western public health services?

Because they keep finding no or low quality evidence in support of medicalizing trans-IDed individuals, and loads of high quality evidence against that idea: it’s *literally* medical experimentation on children at this point.

I look forward to your non-ideological response …

Annabelle's avatar

Hello!

I thought you might like be interested in this statement from the American psychological association in an amicus brief before the supreme Court

"Every major medical and mental health organization in the United States follows guidelines that allow for medical interventions for adolescents when deemed medically appropriate by a licensed medical professional, and after careful examination by a licensed mental health professional."

https://www.apa.org/about/offices/ogc/amicus/skrmetti

While there is much to be said about the lack of access to medical care that many transgender people face whether due to discrimination or lack of general medical access, transgender medicine has a long history going back over a century.

Digital Canary 💪💪🇨🇦🇺🇦🗽's avatar

Excellent.

So you’re also familiar with the part where the ACLU admits that the suicide “facts” they & the Trevor Project refer to are made up?

And the part where WPATH’s circle of mutual approval was exposed for what it is, leading to them just now state they were *never* the expert group, just one opinion among others (funny how lawyers change people’s “truths”)?

And where “careful examination” was demonstrated to be quite a stretch as a description for the mental health screening, given that anything but affirmation has been met with hyperbolic claims of intended genocide?

I’m really glad you bring up Skrmetti, as the admissions on record are likely to leave an ally aghast!

And getting a chance to point out the similarities between lying for Jesus and lying for trans … priceless 🙏

Allie's avatar

I'd like to see that document where the ACLU says the suicide statistics are made up.

Digital Canary 💪💪🇨🇦🇺🇦🗽's avatar

Ask and ye shall receive;

https://www.city-journal.org/article/aclu-attorney-confesses-transgender-suicide-claim-is-a-myth

And so you understand just how much you are lied to, let’s see if The Advocate mentions it in their hagiography:

https://www.advocate.com/news/chase-strangio-heightened-scrutiny-documentary

Nope, apparently that wasn’t worth mentioning as part of Chase’s terrible experience 😹

Digital Canary 💪💪🇨🇦🇺🇦🗽's avatar

As a Quaker, I am confident that you put a premium on the truth.

As a scientist by training & nature, so do I. (My logo says: light from truth, truth from light!)

This is a serious breach of your trust, and I realize that is not easy to reconcile, especially given the emotional charge attached to this topic: of course we want trans people to be happy & safe.

The problem is that the lobbyists haven’t been advocating for that: they’ve been advocating for policies that benefit a tiny slice of trans people: adult males.

The kids being affected are pawns in this profoundly misogynistic effort to erase female rights, and medical ethics is just one of many recipients of likely-fatal collateral damage.

So take some time to absorb this.

I’ll still be here if you’re ever ready to talk about why “TERFs” and “GCs” have been fighting so hard for so long, and what it is we want (versus the blood libel caricatures that paint us as wanting trans people dead — even as Chase Strangio seems ok with not getting to the root cause of trans distress!).

Annabelle's avatar

It'll take me awhile to bring up source documents and form an evidence based reply, but I'll try not to forget about it.

What I'm trying to get across with APA's statement is that according to mainstream medical consensus, the science behind gender transition is solid. I suppose we both have our research ahead of us, myself being the peculiarities of Skirmetti, and yourself understanding the science of what is behind what the APA believea

Digital Canary 💪💪🇨🇦🇺🇦🗽's avatar

Good deal.

I’ll note that the APA doesn’t position itself as *medical* experts either, as the vast majority psychologists are neither medical doctors nor scientists (unlike psychiatrists) — they are *social* scientists who may or may not have possess an understanding of the scientific method, of research methods, of medical ethics, and on and on.

Meanwhile, multiple independent medical establishments across democratic countries have reassessed the “evidence” for gender affirming care, and all have arrived at the same conclusion: there is NO high quality evidence that supports the claims of GAC proponents.

And that itself is really weird, given how long this has been going on … almost like the GAC proponents weren’t actually doing *science* before now. But they have been busy experimenting, without ethical constraints: not collecting, sharing, and verifying results, nor actually making people’s lives better on balance (yes, there are exceptions).

Allie's avatar

"they keep finding" is not a statistic it's your own confirmation bias at work. The overwhelming majority of sciencetific proof and the majority of doctors favor the idea that allowing people to transition save lives.

Digital Canary 💪💪🇨🇦🇺🇦🗽's avatar

The overwhelming majority isn’t a statistic either 🤦‍♂️

But the multiple systematic reviews — Cass and sequelae — have come to the same conclusion.

Just because you want to ignore that conclusion doesn’t make it invalid.

It renders your position “sciencetific” at best, and more likely a load of codswallop intended to mislead *you*.

Boreal's avatar

"You're taking my verbatim quote out of context because it makes me look bad."

Elise's avatar

To paraphrase Miley Cyrus: I didn’t speak badly about you — I just repeated what you said.

If that makes you look bad, that’s not my problem anymore.

Boreal's avatar

"Atheists are violent and dangerous without god to keep them moral" say the adherents of a cult whose symbol is a torture victim and whose rituals command them to eat his flesh and drink his blood and put non-believers to the sword.

oraxx's avatar

She conveniently ignores the countless horrors perpetrated by Christians acting in the name of Christianity.

NOGODZ20's avatar

Especially that bit about 2 female bears mauling and killing 42 kids for acting like kids.

Joe King's avatar

If they need god to keep them moral, I certainly hope they don't lose belief. Psychopaths on leashes should be kept on leashes.

Matri's avatar

Better yet, kept in cages.

wreck's avatar

Well, when you put it like that, it does sound kind of culty.

Boreal's avatar

Now, now, we all know it's the "religion of love."

Die Anyway's avatar

"I love you so don't make me hit you again." --- that kind of love?

Joe King's avatar

I see you have read their book.

NOGODZ20's avatar

The bible or the one by Michael and Debi Pearl?

(doesn't matter. pretty much the same thing)

Straw's avatar

I just don't understand how people can read the bible or the tora or the koran and still bel8eve that shit is true.

The Epistler's avatar

As a teenager I became curious about Christianity so I read the bible. All of it. Boy did that turn me off the whole thing for life; I was HORRIFIED. And disgusted. A bunch of obvious fairytale nonsense about a god who's a fucking psychopath? No thankyou; you people are insane.

Straw's avatar

I read the bible when I was app. 25 yo. That made a firm atheist.

The Epistler's avatar

Not surprising at all that the church fought tooth and nail to stop ordinary people from being able to read that nasty book of theirs.

Stephen Brady's avatar

Every christian sect has its own corpus of dogma which they internalize and believe in place of their bible which said bodies of dogma frequently conflict with. Religions are nothing so much as collective mental illnesses - and Talibangelical Christianity is among the worst.

Boreal's avatar

True Detective:

"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then, brother, that person is a piece of shit - and I'd like to get as many of them out in the open as possible."

-Detective Rust Cohle

Larry's avatar

I could only choose one like, this deserves more!

Tinker's avatar

So which is it? Are you wanting to protect children or do you want to look at their genitalia to decide which bathroom they should use? What are you going to do when you see one that doesn't fit your little box? There are people in the world that were 'assigned' a sex at birth that was wrong because the doctor was unable to determine at the time. Or are you just going to decide by the way someone looks to you? Maybe you have a four part test: Do they have long hair. Are they wearing pants and/or a plaid shirt? Do they have facial hair? Are you attracted/not attracted to them?

These people don't want to protect children. They want to force people that don't fit in their box underground. They HAVE to know they can't pass legislation that will make transgender people cease to exist, don't they?

Dianne Marie Leonard's avatar

Uh, no. They don't know that. They're ignorant, as well, of anything resembling actual history. (see Barton, David.) They do know, however, that they can or will cause lots of deaths and suffering in their gawd's name, and it will all be excused/ minimized/ forgotten by the righteous because, um, Jayzus. (see Crusades, pink triangles, etc).

Jane in NC's avatar

Sorry, but the National Bathroom Panty Inspector job has been filled by Nancy Mace.

Joan the Dork's avatar

Six feet underground, to be precise- and in a rather different sort of box.

Old Man Shadow's avatar

Esther and Mordecai lived in peace with their neighbors and only resorted to violence when their lives were literally condemned. You wish to condemn a group of innocent children to suffering and death because you despise who they are. You are Haman in that story, lady, not the heroes.

Deborah and David dealt with their enemies by killing them by the thousands. God... GOD... even tells David that he's covered in blood and unworthy of building a holy site because of it.

You've got some warped Disney princess theology where you're incapable of seeing who the bad guy in the story is. It's not the little kid suffering from gender dysphoria. It's you. You are Pharaoh in the tale. You are Haman. You are the one marching your troops against innocent people first.

May you be condemned to a fate where you end up powerless and have to watch as society leaves you and your bigoted views behind and every child thrives being who they are.

Stephen Brady's avatar

And, whatever would she and her cult do with an intersex child? Retired doc: I've seen them born.

Kathlyn's avatar

She’s got a severe case of Main Character Syndrome, like so many of her kind. 🙄 She’ll be saying that she’s being persecuted next

Joan the Dork's avatar

You 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸 you done fücked up when you're too bloodthirsty even for Jehovah.

Religion *is* Politics's avatar

Loose lips sink ships but accurate quotations sink churches

oraxx's avatar

One of the things I find most irritating about vocal Christians is their expectation to be deferred to at all times. She’s just one more example of what can be justified in the name of faith.

Whitney's avatar

What I find annoying about that expectation is that these same vocal Christians will claim that "Christians are better people", then when confronted with evidence otherwise, will say "Oh, we're just forgiven!" and pretend they don't understand they've just completely undermined the first claim.

At that point, I feel I should be trying to find a Clue-By-Four.

Maltnothops's avatar

Or Not All Like That.

Or Not A True Christian

NOGODZ20's avatar

"If we all arm our children with the truth..."

Stop right there, lady. Your idea of "truth" is vastly different from those not in thrall of superstitious codswallop. You engage in dangerous fantasies that have no basis in truth. You are, in fact, irresponsibly spreading lies.

As a wise man once said: "It is immoral to lie to children." I do believe that wise man was an atheist.

Joe King's avatar

Her idea of truth stopped refining itself around the 2nd grade. The resulting warped sense of reality has been reinforced by decades of cherry picked Sunday schoom lessons. Hitch would have had a field day with her.

Stephen Brady's avatar

Authoritarian Personality types believe only in revealed 'truth' and are utterly unable to change their minds with new evidence.

Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

Of course she doesn’t consider male circumcision to be regulated under this anti-trans legislation, it’s a Christian rite. Sort of. In a way. But it is normal. It is conforming to their standards. She needs to stop transgender children from being healthy, not keep healthy children healthy and intact.

Edit - this was supposed to be a new comment on its own, some weird error put it as a reply to NOGODZ since I started a reply but chose not to. Oops.

Kathlyn's avatar

It seems to be more of an American Christian thing, imo. Don’t hear of it here really among the general population here in England. I’d always associated it with Judaism only til I got older and started reading more US-based smut

NOGODZ20's avatar

Still works. 🙂

Brianna Amore's avatar

And if those children who hear their "truth" don't like what they hear, why they even have their very own re-education camps, or should I say, "Conversion" camps.

Holytape's avatar

Look, when you quote me directly and put my words into context, it might look bad. But have you ever considered that you're the bad ones? I find it very hypocritical of you to dehumanize me just because I dehumanized others.

Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

Have you ever seen him do a Captcha?

larry parker's avatar

I can't do a Capt .... Hey, wait a minute ... while I reboot.

Joe King's avatar

𝐼𝑓 𝑤𝑒 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑎𝑟𝑚 𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑡ℎ 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑐𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑏𝑙𝑜𝑜𝑑 𝑜𝑓 𝐽𝑒𝑠𝑢𝑠, ... 𝐼 𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑙𝑦 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑣𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑤𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑤𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑠𝑝𝑖𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 𝑏𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑙𝑒 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛.

So, saying she wants children covered in blood is not culty? To be fair, I understand the christianese. I know she's not actually talking about physical blood poured out on children. But physical blood poured on children was not what was reported. She's just mad about the Carrie jokes.

Boreal's avatar

"They're all going to laugh at you, Erin."

Brianna Amore's avatar

Classic Christian victimology. How dare you quote me using the words I said! Why that's SO UNFAIR!

Troublesh00ter's avatar

Life is complex. Some people don't deal well with "complex."

Joan the Dork's avatar

Teaching middle-school kids an oversimplification so dumbed down it's flat out wrong does them a disservice, in that it makes teaching them accurate biology later on more difficult. Kids are perfectly capable of understanding that biology is messy and complicated ("𝘮𝘰𝘴𝘵 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵, 𝘣𝘶𝘵 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘥𝘪𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘵" - see? In terms even a kindergartner can grasp), and they don't need to sequence someone's bloody genome to determine what they should call their classmates or which toilets they should use.

larry parker's avatar

She quote mined herself to try to make the reporter look bad. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Die Anyway's avatar

Not the sharpest knife but a sharp tongue. A couple of quotes that may apply:

* "A quick temper, sharp tongue, and restless spirit were always getting her into scrapes." — Louisa May Alcott, Little Women

* "A person with a sharp tongue will eventually cut themselves if they are not careful with their wielding blade of flesh." — J. Robson Koenig

Joe King's avatar

She's a conservative Christian. Quote mining is a habit. (They coat their cherries in mined quotes after picking.)

Joan the Dork's avatar

She's not even the sharpest knife in the Fisher-Price My First Kitchen playset.

NOGODZ20's avatar

If she were a man, I'd say she's a prime candidate for a future headline about being caught diddling children.

(Not that it's out of the realm of possibility altogether. It's just that xtian women engaged in such crimes are rarer)

Joe King's avatar

But an accomplice to kiddy diddling? See Duggar, Michelle, et al.

Joan the Dork's avatar

Wingnut women may molest their children less often than their men do... but they beat, starve, neglect, and murder their children at about the same rates, so I wouldn't rule out that headline just yet.

Jelly's avatar

As an aside, it’s gratifying that people are starting to deny they are Republicans. It’s about time that label became embarrassing.

As another aside, the dismal economy, the war, and the rest of the corruption and incompetence of this regime seem to be getting people to look beyond the cuture wars. I hope this trend continues and politics is more about governance than the useless and divisive shit evangelicals dish out.

Brianna Amore's avatar

Their culture wars are failing and that is why they've started resorting to Democrats as Communists.

NOGODZ20's avatar

They're also trying to blame Democrats for everything, even though the GQP controls the whole government and Democrats have no power.

Fortunately, the public isn't falling for those Republican lies, either. They know exactly who is to blame for the mess the country's in.

Len Koz's avatar

I just heard some encouraging news. My niece was visiting her mother in South Carolina and the local Trumpsters were blaming their Orange Lord for the high prices they pay for everything.

Will miracles never cease?

NOGODZ20's avatar

I wanna ask those Red Caps how many times they voted for BLOTUS. Once? Twice? Three times? They were warned and warned, yet they did it anyway. They thought he was just going punish the libs and now it's come back to bite them in the hinder.

They gonna continue to vote Republican? Because their party is just as responsible for their current financial woes.

Len Koz's avatar

I believe they voted for him all 3 times. And I'm sure they'll continue to vote Rethuglican. They'll make sure Lindseybelle's sister keeps that seat in the Senate.

I find the fact that they are able to recognize even partially that he harms them to be miraculous since they are all deep in the cult.

Brianna Amore's avatar

That feeling of Hell freezing over comes to mind.

Vanity Unfair's avatar

Possibly the person who, on being told of a possible bomb on his aeroplane, sneaked off to another and left the crew and other passengers to find out whether there was actually a bomb.

Joan the Dork's avatar

I'd say I hope our electorate isn't stupid enough to fall for that red scare crap, but... 𝘸𝘦𝘭𝘭.

Brianna Amore's avatar

Yeah never underestimate the stupidity of the general population.

Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

"Against stupidity the very gods themselves contend in vain."

Friedrich Schiller

Boreal's avatar

If you knew nothing about xtianity, a cursory browse through their “holy book” would quickly reveal capricious violence and terror inflicted on those their god “loves “due to preventable flaws that he gave them when ‘creating’ them.

Any sensible person would reject such a violent philosophy.

The Epistler's avatar

Yeah, reading the bible and seeing just that was what confirmed my subsequent lifelong atheism. Good fuck it was disturbing. It reads like it was written by a horribly repressed psychopath obsessed with blood and murder.