Read this in The Seattle Times this morning. Damn near flung the paper across the room.
The Church of the Holy Pedophile needs to be gone for the sake of all humanity. Their nearly two millenia history has proven beyond any doubt that they are pure evil. Would love to see Catholic parents pull themselves and their families out of the reach of Holy Mother Church. Drain them of both money and children.
Any defense of the Catholic Church in the USA is absurd at best given its long history of damage in the Americas. Claims of how it’s more “progressive” now to excuse atrocities of the past while the extremely Catholic Supreme Court 6 roll back rights is cognitive dissonance at its finest.
Just like in DC. They are blocking release of the Epstein files for the same reason they fought against this very sensible rule. They don't care about children. They don't care about consequences for abusers. They only care about protecting their power and reputation.
Guv Ferguson is a catlick. He doesn't let that enter into his job of public servant. Don't always agree with him, but he is one of the good ones. The dude sued Dear Leader 100 or so times during the first regime.
They have set the First Amendment on fire by recognizing Christian privilege. I escaped the Catholic Church over half a century ago and never regretted the decision for a moment. All branches of Christianity and most other religions, engage in magical thinking. None more so than the Catholic Church.
They push their Free Exercise rights to the exclusion of the Establishment Clause. Without the Establishment Clause to reign in the Free Exercise Clause, there is nothing but Christian Fucking Privilege.
I’m ok with priests being tortured in hell for all eternity if it means victims can get justice. Father Karras took on a demon to save a young girl. Be like Father Karras*
Jesus has a totally undeserved reputation for kindness and mercy.
I’ve long been astonished that Christians can claim with a straight face that, yes, the Yahweh of the Old Testament was a petty, vengeful, murderous jerk, but that everything was set right by Jesus (according to the fanfic of his most devoted followers, known as the New Testament). But that’s got it exactly backwards.
Sure, if you did something that pissed off the easily irritated Yahweh, he’d smite you where you stood, plus your family and half the innocent bystanders in the surrounding county as collateral damage. But that was it. Dead. Done. Finito. Period. Game over. Sayonara. Hasta la vista. It wasn’t until Jesus came along that they invented the concept of “No no no, my friend, we’re gonna fry your sorry ass FOREVER! And not just for the actions you actually performed but for some of those nauty little THOTS you’ve been having!”
Think about it. Which of these 2 arrogant, flaming sadists was actually worse?
Aron Ra said it years ago: "Religion reverses EVERYTHING," INCLUDING this whole issue of child sexual abuse. What bothers me more than anything else about this decision is that it becomes one more cut on State / Church separation, one more excuse, one more exemption from criminal law, for no other reason than because confession. If I were the parent of a child who had been abused by a priest, I WOULD BE LIVID.
When I get feeds on my Facebook page praising the new Pope Leo for his actions, I really give them a lecture on how this man went after atheists in his first message and still officiates over an institution that is still abusing children, denying womens' rights and treats LGBTQ+ people as lesser beings in their "kingdom". No more praising Catholic leaders for me, no matter whether I agree with their politics or not.
Remind them of that too. Let see how they will deny the wrong christianity is doing to girls/women when they have faces and names of women who died because of it
I have to say that many of these people who laud this new Pope are liberals, and this has been going on for decades. Francis put out an environmental encyclical (Laudato Si) that everyone swooned over and I was furious at them for not seeing that he wrote that overpopulation has no effect on the environment. Once again rose colored religious glasses kept liberal Dems from seeing the truth.
It's the ongoing, superficial, knee-jerk reaction: religion = faith = GOOD. Personally, I have no use for rose-colored glasses or god-glasses (though I do like that particular yellow tint that helps clarify vision when I'm biking!). And I find that I have to dig this out again:
I beg to differ. I would say there are more Conservatives involved in religion than there are Liberals in general. It's Conservatives who are denying the existence of climate change. It’s Conservatives protecting a pedophile president. It's Conservatives who are ignoring the separation of church and state. It's Conservatives protecting abusive clergy members and the corrupt church.
Well, I'll differ right back at you. I have a list a mile long of Democrats who violated church and state constantly while in office, Obama being one of them. I have photos of Obama leading prayer and having prayer circles in the Oval Office. He promised to end the White House office of Faith Based Initiatives when he ran for President the first time, and ended up expanding the office. Now it's a monster. To say that it's all on Conservatives demonstrates a need on your part to do some research.
Our maternal mortality rate in the US was already higher than the rest of the first world nations and it was much worse for women of color. both those statistics have become (predictably) worse since the rogue Supreme court took over our laws.
And when fucking dumbass goat shagger RFK jr. took over the of Department of Health, who seems hell bent on destroying the Department of Health. Or at least bringing back early medieval treatments of illnesses is RFK jr. true goal.
Well, if you are sick and stupid, that is a good way to prevent dissent from arising against this Christian fascist regime.
“If my religion told me it was more important to die than rat out a child sex predator, I would ditch that religion.”
When folks say that the predators are only a tiny minority of the priesthood, or that it doesn’t mean others in the religion, be they clergy or layperson, isn’t responsible is not an acceptable excuse. A decent person, and especially a person claiming divine morality, would not require a state law to do the right thing here. Folks need to start asking questions. Why would god give these horrible people a loophole to avoid responsibility for these heinous crimes? Why would god allow his earthly representatives to even think about touching children? And most of all, why would I, a decent person with empathy, keep worshipping a god with these issues?
All folks who continue to be Catholic despite knowing priests are raping people, and knowing full well that the institution itself is fighting holding the perpetrators accountable, are just as culpable for the continuation of rapes.
But the cynic in me, who is beginning to win, now understands that the world is setup to protect gross men who only think about sticking their dicks wherever they want. Women and children and even less powerful men are only here as object for powerful men to fuck.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - The vast majority of religions like the Catholic Church, and the Bible, were created by men, for men, to control women and children. It's time that civil law take precedence over so called "religious traditions"
Did the pedo protectors present their evidence of the existence and the wishes of their particular god (or any god at all) in court? If not, they should have slapped down hard. Fucking ridiculous.
Or for a priest to tell an abuser to denounce themselves before being absolved. Actually, it's in the Canon law they swear they follow. Ooops, they did* it again...
To those who allow children to be abused without repercussions for the abusers and their accomplices, how can you be sure if a priest learned about it through confession or not ? You can't, and that's another reason this settlement is bigoted and ridicule.
The amount of deference to religious privilege, myth, and superstition given these Pedo Priests is astonishing. There is an old trope - "is the millennium worth having if it can only be ushered in by torturing to death 1 small child?" Obviously, the answer from The RCC hierarchy is a resounding Yes!
It's disgusting. A law that took years of hard work to pass gets struck down in an instant by a judge who is probably unfit to be on the bench and should also have his law license revoked.
In any conflict between church and state, the interests of the state must in any sane society supersede the interests of the church. The interests of the state are worldly- here, with us, on Earth, right now- and the church is nothing more than an exceedingly elaborate fantasy book club. The notion that the latter should override the former instead- in 𝘢𝘯𝘺 case, let alone child abuse- is fucking ludicrous. The "right" of a priest to pretend a particular set of magic words, and a particularly magic special room in their church, are capable of absolving people of their guilt, ought never to be allowed to deny a victim their right to justice.
And yet, here we are. Magical thinking is deemed more important than flesh-and-blood reality. Priests have more rights than the children they fail to protect (or rather, let's be honest here, the children they themselves abuse).
Read this in The Seattle Times this morning. Damn near flung the paper across the room.
The Church of the Holy Pedophile needs to be gone for the sake of all humanity. Their nearly two millenia history has proven beyond any doubt that they are pure evil. Would love to see Catholic parents pull themselves and their families out of the reach of Holy Mother Church. Drain them of both money and children.
Any defense of the Catholic Church in the USA is absurd at best given its long history of damage in the Americas. Claims of how it’s more “progressive” now to excuse atrocities of the past while the extremely Catholic Supreme Court 6 roll back rights is cognitive dissonance at its finest.
Time for an op-ed, Nogodz.
Ask Hemant to edit your submission.
𝐵𝑢𝑡 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑔𝑟𝑎𝑡𝑢𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑒𝑟𝑣𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑠, 𝐼 𝑔𝑢𝑒𝑠𝑠. 𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑔𝑜𝑡 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑑. 𝑃𝑟𝑒𝑑𝑎𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑠’ 𝑠𝑒𝑐𝑟𝑒𝑡𝑠 𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑟𝑒𝑚𝑎𝑖𝑛 𝑎 𝑠𝑒𝑐𝑟𝑒𝑡.
Just like in DC. They are blocking release of the Epstein files for the same reason they fought against this very sensible rule. They don't care about children. They don't care about consequences for abusers. They only care about protecting their power and reputation.
𝑇ℎ𝑒 ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑜𝑒𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑎𝑤𝑚𝑎𝑘𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑙𝑖𝑘𝑒 𝑆𝑒𝑛. 𝐹𝑟𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝐺𝑜𝑣. 𝐹𝑒𝑟𝑔𝑢𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑓𝑜𝑢𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑎𝑠𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑏𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑏𝑒 𝑢𝑝 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡. 𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑑𝑎𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑎𝑟𝑔𝑢𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑛𝑜 𝑓𝑎𝑖𝑡ℎ, 𝑛𝑜 𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑑𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛, 𝑛𝑜 𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑟𝑢𝑙𝑒 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑏𝑒𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑓𝑒𝑡𝑦 𝑜𝑓 𝑎 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑.
Amen.
Children aren't human beings to these people; they're property.
Guv Ferguson is a catlick. He doesn't let that enter into his job of public servant. Don't always agree with him, but he is one of the good ones. The dude sued Dear Leader 100 or so times during the first regime.
They have set the First Amendment on fire by recognizing Christian privilege. I escaped the Catholic Church over half a century ago and never regretted the decision for a moment. All branches of Christianity and most other religions, engage in magical thinking. None more so than the Catholic Church.
They push their Free Exercise rights to the exclusion of the Establishment Clause. Without the Establishment Clause to reign in the Free Exercise Clause, there is nothing but Christian Fucking Privilege.
I’m ok with priests being tortured in hell for all eternity if it means victims can get justice. Father Karras took on a demon to save a young girl. Be like Father Karras*
*If the name doesn’t ring a (tubular) bell, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damien_Karras
One of these days you will get kidnapped and exorcised.
I could use a little more exorcise 😃
Kids face very real lifelong scarring at the hands of piety peddlers, yet the RCC is worried being condemned to an imaginary eternal punishment?
Eternal punishment for what can only ever be a finite offense is an idea that cannot be reconciled with a loving God.
Funny, I worked for the same boss in the United Methodist Church, but I never believed in eternal punishment.
You were different. You were Atheist seedling.
Jesus has a totally undeserved reputation for kindness and mercy.
I’ve long been astonished that Christians can claim with a straight face that, yes, the Yahweh of the Old Testament was a petty, vengeful, murderous jerk, but that everything was set right by Jesus (according to the fanfic of his most devoted followers, known as the New Testament). But that’s got it exactly backwards.
Sure, if you did something that pissed off the easily irritated Yahweh, he’d smite you where you stood, plus your family and half the innocent bystanders in the surrounding county as collateral damage. But that was it. Dead. Done. Finito. Period. Game over. Sayonara. Hasta la vista. It wasn’t until Jesus came along that they invented the concept of “No no no, my friend, we’re gonna fry your sorry ass FOREVER! And not just for the actions you actually performed but for some of those nauty little THOTS you’ve been having!”
Think about it. Which of these 2 arrogant, flaming sadists was actually worse?
The answer is C. Always choose C.
Hell now has a No Vacancy sign. The extras are deported to Limbo.
The RCC did away with Limbo (which was meant for unbaptized babies) in 2007. It was considered a hypothesis and not official dogma.
What, they found that that myth was a bit too hard to swallow?
Or they don't receive enough money. You know what happens when a commercial is outdated.
Hypothesis in the Catholic Church? Is the Pope secretly a Muslim?
SCOTUS is poised to bring back conversion therapy for minors too. So much for those kids with delusional parents. Oh well.
Aron Ra said it years ago: "Religion reverses EVERYTHING," INCLUDING this whole issue of child sexual abuse. What bothers me more than anything else about this decision is that it becomes one more cut on State / Church separation, one more excuse, one more exemption from criminal law, for no other reason than because confession. If I were the parent of a child who had been abused by a priest, I WOULD BE LIVID.
And I wonder why more people aren't.
When I get feeds on my Facebook page praising the new Pope Leo for his actions, I really give them a lecture on how this man went after atheists in his first message and still officiates over an institution that is still abusing children, denying womens' rights and treats LGBTQ+ people as lesser beings in their "kingdom". No more praising Catholic leaders for me, no matter whether I agree with their politics or not.
Remind them of that too. Let see how they will deny the wrong christianity is doing to girls/women when they have faces and names of women who died because of it
https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-google&source=android-browser&q=women+dying+from+miscarriage+usa
I have to say that many of these people who laud this new Pope are liberals, and this has been going on for decades. Francis put out an environmental encyclical (Laudato Si) that everyone swooned over and I was furious at them for not seeing that he wrote that overpopulation has no effect on the environment. Once again rose colored religious glasses kept liberal Dems from seeing the truth.
It's the ongoing, superficial, knee-jerk reaction: religion = faith = GOOD. Personally, I have no use for rose-colored glasses or god-glasses (though I do like that particular yellow tint that helps clarify vision when I'm biking!). And I find that I have to dig this out again:
𝐼𝑓 𝐼 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑛𝑔𝑒 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔, 𝑖𝑡 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑏𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑠𝑜𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑎 𝑜𝑓 𝑓𝑎𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑣𝑖𝑟𝑡𝑢𝑒—𝑛𝑜𝑤 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑔𝑜𝑜𝑑—𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑒𝑥𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑖𝑡 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑡 𝑖𝑠: 𝑎 𝑠𝑒𝑟𝑣𝑖𝑙𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑘𝑛𝑒𝑠𝑠, 𝑎 𝑟𝑒𝑓𝑢𝑔𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝑐𝑜𝑤𝑎𝑟𝑑𝑖𝑐𝑒, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑎 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑛𝑒𝑠𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑓𝑜𝑙𝑙𝑜𝑤, 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑐𝑟𝑒𝑑𝑢𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑦, 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 ℎ𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑒𝑠𝑡 𝑑𝑒𝑔𝑟𝑒𝑒 𝑢𝑛𝑠𝑐𝑟𝑢𝑝𝑢𝑙𝑜𝑢𝑠.
-- Christopher Hitchens
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I beg to differ. I would say there are more Conservatives involved in religion than there are Liberals in general. It's Conservatives who are denying the existence of climate change. It’s Conservatives protecting a pedophile president. It's Conservatives who are ignoring the separation of church and state. It's Conservatives protecting abusive clergy members and the corrupt church.
Well, I'll differ right back at you. I have a list a mile long of Democrats who violated church and state constantly while in office, Obama being one of them. I have photos of Obama leading prayer and having prayer circles in the Oval Office. He promised to end the White House office of Faith Based Initiatives when he ran for President the first time, and ended up expanding the office. Now it's a monster. To say that it's all on Conservatives demonstrates a need on your part to do some research.
Our maternal mortality rate in the US was already higher than the rest of the first world nations and it was much worse for women of color. both those statistics have become (predictably) worse since the rogue Supreme court took over our laws.
Don't you mean higher ?
I do yes, changed
And when fucking dumbass goat shagger RFK jr. took over the of Department of Health, who seems hell bent on destroying the Department of Health. Or at least bringing back early medieval treatments of illnesses is RFK jr. true goal.
Well, if you are sick and stupid, that is a good way to prevent dissent from arising against this Christian fascist regime.
Ugh yes.
“If my religion told me it was more important to die than rat out a child sex predator, I would ditch that religion.”
When folks say that the predators are only a tiny minority of the priesthood, or that it doesn’t mean others in the religion, be they clergy or layperson, isn’t responsible is not an acceptable excuse. A decent person, and especially a person claiming divine morality, would not require a state law to do the right thing here. Folks need to start asking questions. Why would god give these horrible people a loophole to avoid responsibility for these heinous crimes? Why would god allow his earthly representatives to even think about touching children? And most of all, why would I, a decent person with empathy, keep worshipping a god with these issues?
All folks who continue to be Catholic despite knowing priests are raping people, and knowing full well that the institution itself is fighting holding the perpetrators accountable, are just as culpable for the continuation of rapes.
But the cynic in me, who is beginning to win, now understands that the world is setup to protect gross men who only think about sticking their dicks wherever they want. Women and children and even less powerful men are only here as object for powerful men to fuck.
I call it realistic, not cynical.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - The vast majority of religions like the Catholic Church, and the Bible, were created by men, for men, to control women and children. It's time that civil law take precedence over so called "religious traditions"
Did the pedo protectors present their evidence of the existence and the wishes of their particular god (or any god at all) in court? If not, they should have slapped down hard. Fucking ridiculous.
𝑩𝒚 𝒑𝒊𝒆𝒓𝒄𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒔𝒂𝒄𝒓𝒂𝒎𝒆𝒏𝒕𝒂𝒍 𝒄𝒐𝒏𝒇𝒊𝒅𝒆𝒏𝒕𝒊𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒕𝒚, 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒍𝒂𝒘 𝒅𝒆𝒕𝒆𝒓𝒔 𝒃𝒆𝒍𝒊𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒔 𝒇𝒓𝒐𝒎 𝒄𝒐𝒏𝒇𝒆𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒄𝒆𝒓𝒕𝒂𝒊𝒏 𝒔𝒊𝒏𝒔—𝒐𝒓 𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒏 𝒇𝒓𝒐𝒎 𝒈𝒐𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒕𝒐 𝒄𝒐𝒏𝒇𝒆𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝒂𝒕 𝒂𝒍𝒍—𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒔𝒐 𝒑𝒓𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒏𝒕𝒔 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒎 𝒇𝒓𝒐𝒎 𝒎𝒆𝒏𝒅𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒊𝒓 𝒓𝒆𝒍𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏𝒔𝒉𝒊𝒑 𝒘𝒊𝒕𝒉 𝑮𝒐𝒅.
That law didn't block predators to confess those sins to a priest after confessing their crimes to a judge in criminal court.
Or for a priest to tell an abuser to denounce themselves before being absolved. Actually, it's in the Canon law they swear they follow. Ooops, they did* it again...
* Lying.
To those who allow children to be abused without repercussions for the abusers and their accomplices, how can you be sure if a priest learned about it through confession or not ? You can't, and that's another reason this settlement is bigoted and ridicule.
The amount of deference to religious privilege, myth, and superstition given these Pedo Priests is astonishing. There is an old trope - "is the millennium worth having if it can only be ushered in by torturing to death 1 small child?" Obviously, the answer from The RCC hierarchy is a resounding Yes!
It's disgusting. A law that took years of hard work to pass gets struck down in an instant by a judge who is probably unfit to be on the bench and should also have his law license revoked.
When I first checked in this morning, I was disappointed that there wasn't a new story. Now I'm disgusted. I'd rather be disappointed.
In any conflict between church and state, the interests of the state must in any sane society supersede the interests of the church. The interests of the state are worldly- here, with us, on Earth, right now- and the church is nothing more than an exceedingly elaborate fantasy book club. The notion that the latter should override the former instead- in 𝘢𝘯𝘺 case, let alone child abuse- is fucking ludicrous. The "right" of a priest to pretend a particular set of magic words, and a particularly magic special room in their church, are capable of absolving people of their guilt, ought never to be allowed to deny a victim their right to justice.
And yet, here we are. Magical thinking is deemed more important than flesh-and-blood reality. Priests have more rights than the children they fail to protect (or rather, let's be honest here, the children they themselves abuse).
What an ass-backwards world we live in.