He was just following the well established example of adults who claim exemption from laws and consequences because they follow a “higher law.” Very crusady of them!
How many times has this happened, where a valedictorian or other speaker at a high school or college graduation ceremony decides that they just HAVE to spread their love of Jesus, despite the diverse audience they address and proselytize? I can think of at least one other incident which predates my involvement with The Friendly Atheist, and I wasn't wild for that business, either.
I have to wonder, too: just HOW CLUELESS are these kids who do this? Do they know that at least a plurality if not a majority of those they address are likely Christians of one stripe or another. Have they no respect for those of other beliefs, no willingness for them to practice their own faith, despite the fact that it differs from theirs?
Regardless of the setting or circumstances or content of those listening, such behavior is an insult and an affront to the audience that has to endure such a harangue ... and while I don't know what it would be, corrective action should consist of more than a delay in receiving a diploma and a talking to.
Their standard fallback of 'answering to a higher power' shouldn't be allowed to stand. The higher power here is the school board. They could have, should have, demanded a public apology from this kid for abusing the privilege he'd been granted to address the graduating class. But because he's part of the majority religion, he got away with bullying the rest of the graduating class. Because he faced no consequences, he will have learned nothing from this incident - except how to play the victim. In a few years he'll addressing his college graduating class and telling the women to stay home and make babies like a certain pro athlete recently did.
They serve a purpose by forcing the offender to publicly acknowledge his wrongdoing. It's about time christians started holding themselves to the same standards of accountability they demand of everyone else.
I think it forces the offender to merely pretend that they did anything wrong. Their “apology” is simply another lie in service of their “higher power”. (Note, I’m not talking about little kids for whom apologizing needs to be a learned skill.)
I agree that Christians give themselves free passes all the time.
An apology isn't just a lesson for the person apologizing, it's also a message to the people he offended. Whether he means it or not, whether he thinks he did anything wrong or not, it would still be valuable to those who were in the audience and didn't appreciate his highjacking of the graduation ceremony.
Precisely. He KNEW that part of his speech wasn't approved by the administration, because he deliberately left it out. There should be consequences for that kind of defiance of school rules, as well as state and federal law.
He got tons of reinforcement at his church the next time he showed up. This didn't happen in a vacuum. It is no different from the JWs or Mormons knocking on your door. They have to abase and humiliate themselves in public to get their reinforcement from their god and the congregation.
Yeah, I know ... and at times, I wish that SOMEONE would rub their noses in their arrogance and remind them that while they may supposedly have the Way, the Truth, and the Life, there are others out there who are equally certain that their way, truth, and life are the genuine article.
And that they call it FAITH because they have no FACTS.
I remember trying church in the 60's, as a child, they still pretended it was a religion of love, instead of the open hate they naturally evolved into.
He's just a kid, but if kids are not held accountable they tend to become people who extend their adolescence out into their forties. I don't know how capable this boy is of personal growth, but he needs to experience consequences for his behavior. Perhaps in time he will come to be deeply embarrassed by that speech. Or, he may fall back on the poor, persecuted Christian victim of the godless left routine Christian apologists are so fond of.
At one level or another, proselytism strikes me as an expression of insecurity, mixed with a desire that EVERYONE believe as the speaker believes, to shore up their faith and avoid the pain of cognitive dissonance. It's the problem of BELIEVING rather than KNOWING and the confidence gap that creates.
The kid would probably not admit that that was his motivation, but dig hard enough and it might be found there.
The last sentence is what he will fall back on, he's the victim..... how dare he not be able to talk about his jesus at public school or his future place of work - how dare he not be able to get on his soapbox whenever he wants...... because HIS god is the only REAL god.
That kid is a liar. He knew all along he was going to violate school rules, the agreement he had with the administration when they selected him to speak, and the rights of his fellow students to be free of proselytizing at THEIR graduation. Lying for lord is still lying. And, correct me if I'm wrong, a violation of the ten big ones he claims to believe in.
I'm glad you called this out for what it is, Hemant: christian privilege. If he'd used his speech to talk about how glad he was to have realized he'd been taught mythology but now he's free of that delusion after deconverting, the school administration, board and the local community would have been up in arms over the uppity atheist highjacking his high school graduation. And they'd still be holding his diploma.
"My fellow students, I want to thank MONSTER™ energy drinks for getting me through highschool. With the help of MONSTER™ energy drinks I was able to become captain of the football team and earn a full scholarship to State U. MONSTER™ energy drinks sponsored all of our sports teams so a lot of you out there owe MONSTER™ a debt of gratitude. If you're not on the MONSTER™ bandwagon, you should be. Buy a MONSTER™, be a monster! Yeah!!! See y'all at State U. this Fall."
Caffeine and alcohol. Do you want to get wired or drunk? Why mix a stimulant and a depressant? People who do that can wind up consuming a lot more alcohol than normal. I once met a guy who was pulled over for DUI who had a BAC of 4.0, which means he should have been dead. He was also flying high on cocaine.
Blech! That shit tastes like the worst cough syrup. I had a neighbor who worked in their flavoring department. I didn’t have the heart to tell her I wouldn’t touch that stuff with a ten foot pole.
I’ve never tried any advertised energy drink. I don’t know what they taste like. I just know they’ll probably instantly trigger a migraine, since they contain the amount of caffeine I can manage for an entire week. I just don’t bother.
JESUS -- "You mean the 'lord and savior' who told a homeless street preacher that demons caused my disability (actually a birth defect)? The 'answer to my problems' who ordered that fanatic to YANK me out of my wheelchair for an unwanted faith healing? Heck no; I can still hear his 'in the naaame of Jeeesus' in my nightmsres 20-odd years later."
ENERGY DRINK -- "Sports, shmorts...what good is MONSTER™ to somebody who physically can't play ball games and thinks watching them is deadly dull? A jocks' product helping jocks go to college means nothing to the students who aren't even fans."
If I had been a speaker at that ceremony and mentioned the religion I actually practice, various audience members would have labeled me everything from a "crazed Marvel fangirl" (although I honestly _dislike_ Marvel Comics) to a "neo-Nazi crackpot" (although I'm actively anti-racist). People would be up in arms about my preaching and proselytizing at a school function, and demand that the board withhold my diploma at the _very_ least. But because THIS student's religion was Christianity, he got away with only a slap-on-the-wrist penalty!
Other outlets report that he's planning on joining The Air Force. There is a community of theocrats in that military branch that have covered for Christian violations in the past. Let's see what happens.
"But what’s telling in the videos Price has posted since graduation is that he has no clue why his comments were a problem."
He likely doesn't think his comments were really a problem at all. After all, they did give him permission to say "Jeebus lurves mee" to open. He didn't think his deviation from the pre-approved speech would ruffle any feathers because Christian Fucking Privilege. He probably thinks the delay in being given his diploma was partly due to the administration's lawsuit avoidance techniques (while they tacitly approved with a nod and a wink); and partly due to persecution from the evil government.
I hope that his college plans include a secular university where he will meet and interact with lots of people who are outside of his straight white evangelical bubble. That may help to cure him of the nonsense.
That particular branch is rife with evangelicals. He probably chose that over the Army or Navy because of that insulation from anything outside his bubble.
Will that insulate him from the same training as others ? I has two cousins who were lucky but it had nothing to do with christianity. One became a secretary for an officer due to his beautiful writing, the other was a professional waiter and in training to become a Maitre d'o, he was chosen to serve in the officers mess hall.
A more fitting punishment would be that he would get his diploma only after taking his civics unit over again, and he passes the state-required 100-question civics test with 75% correct, instead of Kentucky's abysmally low standard of only 60% that was in effect when this arrogant future preacher was in school. The state recently increased the requirement to 70%. Wow. So impressive.
This particular style of Christian Privilege is especially irksome: The "Captive Audience Sermon." He spoils the proudest moment so far in the lives of many of the young students, who perhaps could walk out or protest aloud, but that would possibly get themselves in trouble and spoil it all the more for themselves and their classmates. So they're essentially a captive audience. How is that any different from some annoying God botherer yelling about sin, fire, and brimstone on a crowded public bus or subway? Or an Uber/Lyft driver talking to his passenger about finding Jesus instead of finding his destination? Or an employer in a secular business starting every one of his staff meetings with his own personal proselytizing?
This is how too many Christians behave when they think that they have people at a disadvantage.
I agree that this kid is immature and what he did was in line with his immaturity. The problem is that he’s proselytizing a worldview that infantilizes its members, so I really don’t expect him to mature any further. Let’s also not forget that he’s a part of the golden demographic that is practically worshipped by others like him for remaining a child till death. While everyone around him must always be the adult in the room, he will be rewarded constantly for his adolescent behavior, even if (I won’t say when because I am trying to be kind) it ends in tragedy. I don’t really see him ever getting the point, as evidenced by the school administration’s milquetoast response to the speech. Their statement essentially told us that they would do it too, if they could get away with it. It most certainly was not a reproach to him.
All three student speakers at my daughter’s recent high school graduation did somewhat of a personal “testimony” which was beyond irritating. It was completely allowed and praised, and everyone is correct in noting that none of this happens in a vacuum. Recently, a group of colleagues (mostly in their 50’s and 60’s) overheard some of us “younger” folks talking about some issues with our boss. The recommendation for us complainers was that we were putting too much faith in our boss, and need to reassign that faith and trust to the lord. That stopped me right in my tracks; someone signs my checks, but it’s not JC.
These are sad fucking people and he/she/it is a sad god. That bastard has to have praise 25 hours a day or he can't survive. I am so fuckin tired of christians having to appear so humble that anything positive they do is ascribed to their god-"I didn't do it-god did it". Praise and glory-glory and praise to him ALL THE FUCKING TIME. These turds can't do a god damned thing-they are merely puppets-just being directed by their praise loving god. NAUSEATING.
I agree. I have an elderly sister-very fundy. When her husband died someone paid off her mortgage-which she was very worried about. She's a praising god day and night. Turns out it was her son. I told her that HE was the one to be thanked and praised. NO SIR-it was jesus. Nauseating.
Growing up on the South I was not aware how pervasive Christianity was in terms of day to day life. During HS in the 80s we had a Bible reading and prayer over the loud speaker during homeroom. As a teacher in the 90s faculty lunches at the end of every semester began with someone saying grace. By that time I had left the church and I was beginning to become aware of how much Christianity pervaded daily life. It was not until I moved to New England that I truly understood. NE folks are religious, but they are private about it. No one asked me if I had a church home yet. No one visited my house to invite me to their church. In the South, Wed night is church night. Nothing is scheduled on Wed- no sports, classes, etc b/c it would interfere with Wed night services. It was the most freeing experience. I still have hometown friends who periodically message me “come back to Jesus” pleas.
All this to say that, no he doesn’t see anything wrong with what he did. He got positive feedback from like minded peers. He sees himself as a bit of a martyr for breaking the rules to follow his faith. I don’t know how many times I have tried to explain what it is like being on the opposite side of a pushy conversion conversation. They are either so deep into their belief that they are unable to see someone else’s perspective (b/c Christianity is the “right” religion) or they just don’t care (sometimes both). Now that I am back in the South I have had to re-adjust to the constant religious references; however after years in a community where religious belief is kept to yourself, I am much more comfortable opting out of public displays of Christianity and/or speaking out against it.
Along with the praise from like-minded peers, and the non-punishment punishment from the authorities, any pushback on his proselytizing becomes an entrenchment in the religion and his idea that he did the right thing by doing the wrong thing, because non-believers are supposed to be mean to him.
Ah ... the number of times I've been told that I was being proselytised to keep me from going to hell – as if it's a big favour, or perhaps their duty. Only online and by Americans though.😇
When my parents first migrated to NZ, they were visited by a succession of religious wondering if they would attend their church. That never ever happens anymore. I haven't seen a Mormon or a JW since we moved house a year or two ago. We were never I suspect the same as the American South, but we have over the years, become an irreligious country thank goodness. There might even be hope for them right?
Jesus told followers that if they made a show of their faith, they would not be rewarded in heaven. If Prick...er, Price was expecting a pat on the head for this stunt, he's in for a rude awakening when the time comes (were heaven real).
He was just following the well established example of adults who claim exemption from laws and consequences because they follow a “higher law.” Very crusady of them!
Yes..... he likely learned it from his parents and his pastors.
https://youtu.be/XC3_EDDn2QQ
The knight’s goin for the Jesus Christ supersize beverage.
How many times has this happened, where a valedictorian or other speaker at a high school or college graduation ceremony decides that they just HAVE to spread their love of Jesus, despite the diverse audience they address and proselytize? I can think of at least one other incident which predates my involvement with The Friendly Atheist, and I wasn't wild for that business, either.
I have to wonder, too: just HOW CLUELESS are these kids who do this? Do they know that at least a plurality if not a majority of those they address are likely Christians of one stripe or another. Have they no respect for those of other beliefs, no willingness for them to practice their own faith, despite the fact that it differs from theirs?
Regardless of the setting or circumstances or content of those listening, such behavior is an insult and an affront to the audience that has to endure such a harangue ... and while I don't know what it would be, corrective action should consist of more than a delay in receiving a diploma and a talking to.
Their standard fallback of 'answering to a higher power' shouldn't be allowed to stand. The higher power here is the school board. They could have, should have, demanded a public apology from this kid for abusing the privilege he'd been granted to address the graduating class. But because he's part of the majority religion, he got away with bullying the rest of the graduating class. Because he faced no consequences, he will have learned nothing from this incident - except how to play the victim. In a few years he'll addressing his college graduating class and telling the women to stay home and make babies like a certain pro athlete recently did.
Coerced apologies are pretty worthless in my view. But I don’t have a better idea.
They serve a purpose by forcing the offender to publicly acknowledge his wrongdoing. It's about time christians started holding themselves to the same standards of accountability they demand of everyone else.
I think it forces the offender to merely pretend that they did anything wrong. Their “apology” is simply another lie in service of their “higher power”. (Note, I’m not talking about little kids for whom apologizing needs to be a learned skill.)
I agree that Christians give themselves free passes all the time.
An apology isn't just a lesson for the person apologizing, it's also a message to the people he offended. Whether he means it or not, whether he thinks he did anything wrong or not, it would still be valuable to those who were in the audience and didn't appreciate his highjacking of the graduation ceremony.
Speaking only for myself, his coerced apology would not be valuable to me as a hypothetical audience member.
Make kids who do this wait a year to get their diplomas. That would certainly fuck up their college plans or joining the military.
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That's it exactly. He should've been told to apologize for breaking the rules.
But they just winked and nodded.
Precisely. He KNEW that part of his speech wasn't approved by the administration, because he deliberately left it out. There should be consequences for that kind of defiance of school rules, as well as state and federal law.
He got tons of reinforcement at his church the next time he showed up. This didn't happen in a vacuum. It is no different from the JWs or Mormons knocking on your door. They have to abase and humiliate themselves in public to get their reinforcement from their god and the congregation.
They're naturally superior to everyone, their faith! unquestionably so. He knew there won't be real consequences.
“Have they no respect for those of other beliefs, no willingness for them to practice their own faith, despite the fact that it differs from theirs?“
No
Yeah, I know ... and at times, I wish that SOMEONE would rub their noses in their arrogance and remind them that while they may supposedly have the Way, the Truth, and the Life, there are others out there who are equally certain that their way, truth, and life are the genuine article.
And that they call it FAITH because they have no FACTS.
Kkkristianity is the worlds most arrogant religion.
I remember trying church in the 60's, as a child, they still pretended it was a religion of love, instead of the open hate they naturally evolved into.
I despise liars.
And I despise mindless proselytism.
I despise both, although proselytizers ARE liars.
He's just a kid, but if kids are not held accountable they tend to become people who extend their adolescence out into their forties. I don't know how capable this boy is of personal growth, but he needs to experience consequences for his behavior. Perhaps in time he will come to be deeply embarrassed by that speech. Or, he may fall back on the poor, persecuted Christian victim of the godless left routine Christian apologists are so fond of.
At one level or another, proselytism strikes me as an expression of insecurity, mixed with a desire that EVERYONE believe as the speaker believes, to shore up their faith and avoid the pain of cognitive dissonance. It's the problem of BELIEVING rather than KNOWING and the confidence gap that creates.
The kid would probably not admit that that was his motivation, but dig hard enough and it might be found there.
Indeed.
The last sentence is what he will fall back on, he's the victim..... how dare he not be able to talk about his jesus at public school or his future place of work - how dare he not be able to get on his soapbox whenever he wants...... because HIS god is the only REAL god.
It could definitely go either way.
That kid is a liar. He knew all along he was going to violate school rules, the agreement he had with the administration when they selected him to speak, and the rights of his fellow students to be free of proselytizing at THEIR graduation. Lying for lord is still lying. And, correct me if I'm wrong, a violation of the ten big ones he claims to believe in.
I'm glad you called this out for what it is, Hemant: christian privilege. If he'd used his speech to talk about how glad he was to have realized he'd been taught mythology but now he's free of that delusion after deconverting, the school administration, board and the local community would have been up in arms over the uppity atheist highjacking his high school graduation. And they'd still be holding his diploma.
"My fellow students, I want to thank MONSTER™ energy drinks for getting me through highschool. With the help of MONSTER™ energy drinks I was able to become captain of the football team and earn a full scholarship to State U. MONSTER™ energy drinks sponsored all of our sports teams so a lot of you out there owe MONSTER™ a debt of gratitude. If you're not on the MONSTER™ bandwagon, you should be. Buy a MONSTER™, be a monster! Yeah!!! See y'all at State U. this Fall."
We didn't have MONSTER™ energy drinks when I was in high school. All we had were salt tablets, and we liked it that way.
At least energy drinks and salt tablets are real, Jesus not so much.
Sadly for the first, I smelled a can of redbull once, from about 5 feet away. I nearly threw up.
So, no torpedo juice for you? Red Bull and vodka. I see it like Irish coffee, make up your mind!!!
???
Caffeine and alcohol. Do you want to get wired or drunk? Why mix a stimulant and a depressant? People who do that can wind up consuming a lot more alcohol than normal. I once met a guy who was pulled over for DUI who had a BAC of 4.0, which means he should have been dead. He was also flying high on cocaine.
Salt tablets don't have a marketing department the way MONSTER™ and Christianity do.
We didn't need "marketing departments". If it wasn't in the Sears & Roebuck catalog, then you didn't need it.
Jolt cola.
Blech! That shit tastes like the worst cough syrup. I had a neighbor who worked in their flavoring department. I didn’t have the heart to tell her I wouldn’t touch that stuff with a ten foot pole.
I’ve never tried any advertised energy drink. I don’t know what they taste like. I just know they’ll probably instantly trigger a migraine, since they contain the amount of caffeine I can manage for an entire week. I just don’t bother.
You’re not missing anything. The kids drink Red Bull. Just as gross, imho
In both cases I'd have an excuse...
JESUS -- "You mean the 'lord and savior' who told a homeless street preacher that demons caused my disability (actually a birth defect)? The 'answer to my problems' who ordered that fanatic to YANK me out of my wheelchair for an unwanted faith healing? Heck no; I can still hear his 'in the naaame of Jeeesus' in my nightmsres 20-odd years later."
ENERGY DRINK -- "Sports, shmorts...what good is MONSTER™ to somebody who physically can't play ball games and thinks watching them is deadly dull? A jocks' product helping jocks go to college means nothing to the students who aren't even fans."
If I had been a speaker at that ceremony and mentioned the religion I actually practice, various audience members would have labeled me everything from a "crazed Marvel fangirl" (although I honestly _dislike_ Marvel Comics) to a "neo-Nazi crackpot" (although I'm actively anti-racist). People would be up in arms about my preaching and proselytizing at a school function, and demand that the board withhold my diploma at the _very_ least. But because THIS student's religion was Christianity, he got away with only a slap-on-the-wrist penalty!
He’s going to run for office, isn’t he?
Other outlets report that he's planning on joining The Air Force. There is a community of theocrats in that military branch that have covered for Christian violations in the past. Let's see what happens.
Yup, colorado springs is lousy with them.
Probably depends on how long his 15 minutes lasts. If he still has all those followers after his college grad, I wouldn't be surprised.
Oh man I hope not.
OTdrumfp campaign is calling; they are looking for perfect liers who can fool the authorities perfectly.
Arrogance is no longer a sin for these people? Sounds like humility and respect for others is.
"But what’s telling in the videos Price has posted since graduation is that he has no clue why his comments were a problem."
He likely doesn't think his comments were really a problem at all. After all, they did give him permission to say "Jeebus lurves mee" to open. He didn't think his deviation from the pre-approved speech would ruffle any feathers because Christian Fucking Privilege. He probably thinks the delay in being given his diploma was partly due to the administration's lawsuit avoidance techniques (while they tacitly approved with a nod and a wink); and partly due to persecution from the evil government.
I hope that his college plans include a secular university where he will meet and interact with lots of people who are outside of his straight white evangelical bubble. That may help to cure him of the nonsense.
He states that he's planning on joining The Air Force. 50/50 chance he'll run into trouble if he doesn't respect the oath of service.
Let see how much time he lasts when he realise his faith won't give special privileges there.
That particular branch is rife with evangelicals. He probably chose that over the Army or Navy because of that insulation from anything outside his bubble.
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Will that insulate him from the same training as others ? I has two cousins who were lucky but it had nothing to do with christianity. One became a secretary for an officer due to his beautiful writing, the other was a professional waiter and in training to become a Maitre d'o, he was chosen to serve in the officers mess hall.
What color is the sky through those rose-colored glasses? :)
A more fitting punishment would be that he would get his diploma only after taking his civics unit over again, and he passes the state-required 100-question civics test with 75% correct, instead of Kentucky's abysmally low standard of only 60% that was in effect when this arrogant future preacher was in school. The state recently increased the requirement to 70%. Wow. So impressive.
This particular style of Christian Privilege is especially irksome: The "Captive Audience Sermon." He spoils the proudest moment so far in the lives of many of the young students, who perhaps could walk out or protest aloud, but that would possibly get themselves in trouble and spoil it all the more for themselves and their classmates. So they're essentially a captive audience. How is that any different from some annoying God botherer yelling about sin, fire, and brimstone on a crowded public bus or subway? Or an Uber/Lyft driver talking to his passenger about finding Jesus instead of finding his destination? Or an employer in a secular business starting every one of his staff meetings with his own personal proselytizing?
This is how too many Christians behave when they think that they have people at a disadvantage.
Religion + power = tyranny. Every, every time.
I agree that this kid is immature and what he did was in line with his immaturity. The problem is that he’s proselytizing a worldview that infantilizes its members, so I really don’t expect him to mature any further. Let’s also not forget that he’s a part of the golden demographic that is practically worshipped by others like him for remaining a child till death. While everyone around him must always be the adult in the room, he will be rewarded constantly for his adolescent behavior, even if (I won’t say when because I am trying to be kind) it ends in tragedy. I don’t really see him ever getting the point, as evidenced by the school administration’s milquetoast response to the speech. Their statement essentially told us that they would do it too, if they could get away with it. It most certainly was not a reproach to him.
All three student speakers at my daughter’s recent high school graduation did somewhat of a personal “testimony” which was beyond irritating. It was completely allowed and praised, and everyone is correct in noting that none of this happens in a vacuum. Recently, a group of colleagues (mostly in their 50’s and 60’s) overheard some of us “younger” folks talking about some issues with our boss. The recommendation for us complainers was that we were putting too much faith in our boss, and need to reassign that faith and trust to the lord. That stopped me right in my tracks; someone signs my checks, but it’s not JC.
🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮I would be tempted to quote Chili Palmer in "Get Shorty".
"I don't know how you got this far, you're so fucking dumb."
I doubt he was even literate.😇
Another christain flasher opens the raincoat and waggles his cross in everyones faces.
They just can't resist a captive audience.
Keep building that resentment christains. The more people who despise them for this the better.
As I have said I'd rather they whipped their dick out at me, than their religion, it is less embarrassing.
They stopped doing that after being humiliated by people laughing at their tiny junk.
That's why I'd rather they whipped their dick out, I can tell them water it and it may grow.
These are sad fucking people and he/she/it is a sad god. That bastard has to have praise 25 hours a day or he can't survive. I am so fuckin tired of christians having to appear so humble that anything positive they do is ascribed to their god-"I didn't do it-god did it". Praise and glory-glory and praise to him ALL THE FUCKING TIME. These turds can't do a god damned thing-they are merely puppets-just being directed by their praise loving god. NAUSEATING.
I particularly hate when a team of highly professional, educated,
nurses, and doctors, perform a surgery to save their loved ones life, and they turn around and praise god!
I agree. I have an elderly sister-very fundy. When her husband died someone paid off her mortgage-which she was very worried about. She's a praising god day and night. Turns out it was her son. I told her that HE was the one to be thanked and praised. NO SIR-it was jesus. Nauseating.
Yes, fundies are the worst because they milk all the love and joy, out of their religion.
Yet if someone had suggested up front that they take their loved one home-or to their church-and just pray for them-where would that conversation go?
Having been on teams that sweated for hours to save patients, I know the dedication they have.
And yet they don't praise jebus for this.
https://i.imgur.com/4n6o4XE.jpeg
No mask, no gloves, no gown. Not surprised, being a guy who didn't understand hygiene.
Growing up on the South I was not aware how pervasive Christianity was in terms of day to day life. During HS in the 80s we had a Bible reading and prayer over the loud speaker during homeroom. As a teacher in the 90s faculty lunches at the end of every semester began with someone saying grace. By that time I had left the church and I was beginning to become aware of how much Christianity pervaded daily life. It was not until I moved to New England that I truly understood. NE folks are religious, but they are private about it. No one asked me if I had a church home yet. No one visited my house to invite me to their church. In the South, Wed night is church night. Nothing is scheduled on Wed- no sports, classes, etc b/c it would interfere with Wed night services. It was the most freeing experience. I still have hometown friends who periodically message me “come back to Jesus” pleas.
All this to say that, no he doesn’t see anything wrong with what he did. He got positive feedback from like minded peers. He sees himself as a bit of a martyr for breaking the rules to follow his faith. I don’t know how many times I have tried to explain what it is like being on the opposite side of a pushy conversion conversation. They are either so deep into their belief that they are unable to see someone else’s perspective (b/c Christianity is the “right” religion) or they just don’t care (sometimes both). Now that I am back in the South I have had to re-adjust to the constant religious references; however after years in a community where religious belief is kept to yourself, I am much more comfortable opting out of public displays of Christianity and/or speaking out against it.
Along with the praise from like-minded peers, and the non-punishment punishment from the authorities, any pushback on his proselytizing becomes an entrenchment in the religion and his idea that he did the right thing by doing the wrong thing, because non-believers are supposed to be mean to him.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exchristian/comments/vcwudm/proselytizing_mind_trick_busted_aka_an_argument/#lightbox
Ah ... the number of times I've been told that I was being proselytised to keep me from going to hell – as if it's a big favour, or perhaps their duty. Only online and by Americans though.😇
When my parents first migrated to NZ, they were visited by a succession of religious wondering if they would attend their church. That never ever happens anymore. I haven't seen a Mormon or a JW since we moved house a year or two ago. We were never I suspect the same as the American South, but we have over the years, become an irreligious country thank goodness. There might even be hope for them right?
You got rocket-powered pigs?
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cdbunch means "When pigs fly." :)
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh ... I finally caught it. :)
The south is the absolute worst, as religion is so tied to their racism.
Jesus told followers that if they made a show of their faith, they would not be rewarded in heaven. If Prick...er, Price was expecting a pat on the head for this stunt, he's in for a rude awakening when the time comes (were heaven real).
WCWJS
Who cares what Jesus said. : )
As if they listen to him, (he's only the basis of their fath) or read that damn immoral book of theirs!
I can see cristers skipping virtually the entire bible, but the 4 gospels? They can't read those? He's kind of the center to their entire religion.
Yes, I mean it’s only named after him, which makes them ignoring him pretty rich!