"realize that it’s the result of a teacher who didn’t understand the law"
If the tracher was warned once, and continued to harass Danielle Khalaf, then it's not about not knowing, she simply doesn't care.
Maybe it's time to let go of this nonsense. I never had to recite La Marseillaise* every morning, and I love my country (as long as I don't have to eat French cuisine).
Soranno's behavior was bad enough done ONCE. She went after Ms. Khalaf multiple times after multiple warnings.
Soranno should damned well have been called on the carpet, read the riot act, and given her walking papers. She's a disgrace to the teaching profession.
The Pledge of Allegiance is not about patriotism, it's about enforcing rote conformity on young people. Repeat anything often enough and it becomes meaningless. Why would you ever need to pledge your allegiance to the flag more than once, if that? From the very beginnings of the American Republic, conservatives have pushed the idea that people cannot be allowed to think for themselves, and woe be unto whomever gets out of line. I suspect the teacher in question has a deep, personal relationship with Jesus.
And the trumpy regime will NOT come to her rescue. In trump's eyes, people who get caught and face consequences are suckers and losers for getting caught.
Oraxx I said as much too. This must be eliminated from ALL schools. If someone wants to “pledge” allegiance to a flag…they can do it at home! Just like religion.
And IF these schools are saying pledge of allegiance, it should be the one by the author, Francis Bellamy and it does NOT include the phrase “under god”!!!
Doing the pledge and reciting bible verses we had memorized was routine for me in my public school. As a matter of fact, I remember when “under god” was added to the pledge. I was in third grade.
I am tired of people invoking veterans to advance their fascist views. We did not join the military to fight for fascism. We joined to fight against it. We joined to fight for freedom. Freedom enshrined in the Bill of Rights. Freedom such as exercising the First Amendment right to protest.
When we enlisted, we took an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Not a President, not a party, not an ideology. The Constitution.
And if you were deployed to a combat zone (as I was), you took that oath again. Fascists need to have that drilled into their thick skulls, especially fascists who did not wear the uniform when they had the chance (like a certain mango muttonhead who shall remain nameless).
When I was in school in the 70s, a black student refused to stand for it also. The white male teacher went over grabbed him by the shirt and stood him up telling him, he didn’t have to say the pledge but he had to stand! (Why?) That the teacher treated him like that was scary to the rest of us. Atrocious!
There were times when I was in school and I didn't stand for the pledge and was never been in trouble over it. Heck. When I was in middle school, we didn't even recite the pledge because back then it was no big deal. We got on with the lessons the teacher has assigned for us to engage in without a problem.
You have to remember that according to the Christian nationalist redneck a true American is white (European descent), Christian (evangelical, but other Protestant groups are ok), conservative (fascist), republican (Trump supporter), and only those in the description of a true American I mentioned above deserve civil liberties and human rights. All others according to the redneck’s mindset should know their place and not think that they (anyone who isn’t maga) are equals.
In fact according to the redneck’s mindset all others are to be used, abused a killed without consequences, because at the best of times the redneck see all others as inferior; at worst of times the redneck see all others as less than human.
That is the attitude behind the force pledge of allegiance and other conservative acts that they (the magas) want to push on to American society.
The contortions xtians go through to pretzel logic their way through activities their own god would find shameful and inhumane, lends credence to the argument that they are all FULL OF SHIT, and it smelleth.
Oh, I know that. Doesn't change the fact that Soranno thought WRONG, and with any luck, she's going to learn how wrong she was, preferably the hard way.
I agree with you, I was just pointing out the justification that some people might not realize. I hope Soranno lose her job and teaching certificate, so she doesn’t teach ever again.
If these same individuals took the time to read (I know, I know), they would discover that a "pure white race" has no basis in genetics. Humankind began in (gasp) Africa.
Reading any book not approved by the Christian nationalist redneck clergy, their redneck leaders, or right wing media outlets is a sin, as well as being “woke” and anti-Christian.
Otherwise reading might actually cause a redneck to self-reflect, think critically, and introspection which are sins and signs that the redneck is not a true believer. For in the mind of the redneck a true believer is someone who is ignorant, has single minded faith, and blind obedience to the Christian nationalist clergy and their leaders.
I think I already mentioned it, once in high school, a teacher was disrespectful toward two students, one raised a hand to ask a question about something she didn't understood and he deliberately ignored her, another one started to explain and he berated them "The two Arabs at the back, get out". We all looked at each other, grabbed our stuff and got out. We did sit ins until he apologized. He was not tenured and the following year, his contract was not renewed. Bon débarras.
This young lady had every right to sit out the idiotic militant pledge to the flag. That whole thing is Nationalistic & reeks of Dictatorship style government. Pledge of allegiance to the flag should be eliminated altogether from schools!
Reciting the pledge disappeared from my rural school district when I was in fourth grade. I don't know why, it just stopped being done. It was kind of surprising at first, coming across stories about schools that still do this, but then again maybe not so surprising given the rise in christian nationalism.
It's also ironic that the pledge says our nation is "indivisible" when the pledge itself is often used as a divisive wedge.
If i could have been in the room as a parent or guardian, I would have gone off on the teacher. Citing West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette | Oyez https://share.google/EXYguvfzItk5NTDzJ then turning her words back on her. Which white European country did her family come from, and would she go back there?
If you had been in the room, she would not have done it. These freaks are miserable weaklings that must be stood up to. They hide in the shadows. With Shitler in power, they feel empowered to discriminate.
God, that teacher was stubborn wasn't she? You'd think that after it's all been explained to her – and I presume it was but who knows – should have the sense to shut up and sit down. Bet she's a fundamentalist Christian. They never know when to shut up and sit down.
It's pretty clear to me that she had a chip on her shoulder of some sort. Whether it's about Arabs or what, I don't know, but her repeated behavior should have been called out, pointed out, and then she should have been thrown out.
Forget disrespectful, what the teacher did was illegal harassment. They did it once, the victim let them know they didn't like it and asked them to stop, the harasser's *boss* told them to stop, and they kept doing it to the same victim. Textbook harassment.
The same slop the teacher gave out is the same slop every teacher gave out every time their student refuses to stand or recite the pledge out of blatant hypocrisy of respecting the military only to render them as outcasts and destitutes by throwing them out into the streets and rendering them homeless as a token of "thanks" for serving this country.
Thinking back to my own adolescence, the kid was brave for staying seated, thinking ahead to issues it might have caused with classmates. The teacher’s bullying gave wholesale approval for open season on the child.
Disabled Combat Veteran here....I served so Ms. Khalaf could sit, stand, recite, remain silent, take a knee, whatever she so chooses. It certainly wasn't to enable asshats like Soranno could use her position of authority to repress the Rights of others.
Some people simply do not get it, and by "it," I mean the First Amendment. I've forgotten what court decision it was, but the right NOT to stand for the Pledge was established years ago. Yet this dingbat Soranno goes after Ms. Khalaf multiple times, even after being advised and warned about such behavior, and has clearly caused her considerable trauma.
From the article, it at least sounds as though Soranno has left the building, not to return, and that's at least SOMETHING. Still, the legal action is warranted, and employed or not, she should be a part of that lawsuit. She fucked around. She should damned well find out.
Instead of putting up Ten Commandments signs in public schools, maybe faculties could put up West Virginia State Board of Education v Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943)
What should be particularly highlighted are the opinions of Chief Justice Robert H. Jackson and concurring Justices Hugo Black and William O. Douglas
"realize that it’s the result of a teacher who didn’t understand the law"
If the tracher was warned once, and continued to harass Danielle Khalaf, then it's not about not knowing, she simply doesn't care.
Maybe it's time to let go of this nonsense. I never had to recite La Marseillaise* every morning, and I love my country (as long as I don't have to eat French cuisine).
* A couple of times only, in history class.
Soranno's behavior was bad enough done ONCE. She went after Ms. Khalaf multiple times after multiple warnings.
Soranno should damned well have been called on the carpet, read the riot act, and given her walking papers. She's a disgrace to the teaching profession.
She sounds like a mean-spirited, anti-social, bitter person. Why does someone like that want to go into teaching in the first place?
It’s the MAGAt way.
There’s an old joke: those who can’t, teach.
Those who can, teach, those who can't shit on those who can.
Probably a power thing.
Probably to prove her superiority, and by doing so the way she did, all she's doing is proving what a tool and a bully she is.
Because she's obviously a republican "go back to where you came from." is their favorite line. They enjoy crushing free thinking students.
Sounds like a christain alright.
I would kill to be forced to eat good French Cuisine.
You can have my share with great pleasure while I gorge on Korean, Sichuan and Thai food :)
I like those too! There are very few cuisines that I cannot find something I like.
I spent 3 weeks, once, on Borneo. I found plenty to eat, but I'll admit I skipped out on eating the Palm Grubs...
It's in moments like this I am happy to be vegan 🤣
I could go for a good bouillabaisse, myself! Some French bread on the side? YUM!
But which one ? Baguette, pain, tradition, batard, fougasse, viking, seigle, bucheron... ?
Yes, please. 😁
I know right? the old style with all the divine sauces!
We are not friends anymore !
🥺
In high school, we had to recite the preamble to the constitution in Civics. Thanks, Schoolhouse Rock!
I still can get most of it out 53 years after graduating HS.
I would be willing to stand and give a shout out to "Liberty, equality, fraternity"
The Pledge of Allegiance is not about patriotism, it's about enforcing rote conformity on young people. Repeat anything often enough and it becomes meaningless. Why would you ever need to pledge your allegiance to the flag more than once, if that? From the very beginnings of the American Republic, conservatives have pushed the idea that people cannot be allowed to think for themselves, and woe be unto whomever gets out of line. I suspect the teacher in question has a deep, personal relationship with Jesus.
I also bet this teacher is a Trump supporter (Christian nationalist maga).
And the trumpy regime will NOT come to her rescue. In trump's eyes, people who get caught and face consequences are suckers and losers for getting caught.
I think that would be a safe bet.
I think you're right.
That's a sucker bet, given the performative phrases uttered.
Oraxx I said as much too. This must be eliminated from ALL schools. If someone wants to “pledge” allegiance to a flag…they can do it at home! Just like religion.
And IF these schools are saying pledge of allegiance, it should be the one by the author, Francis Bellamy and it does NOT include the phrase “under god”!!!
Bet you the teacher is a Trumplingnette & a churchling.
the orginal purpose was to sell flags.
A deep personal relationship with a 2x4 will cure that flavor of stupidity.
Doing the pledge and reciting bible verses we had memorized was routine for me in my public school. As a matter of fact, I remember when “under god” was added to the pledge. I was in third grade.
👆🎯Or thinks they do, anyway.
I am tired of people invoking veterans to advance their fascist views. We did not join the military to fight for fascism. We joined to fight against it. We joined to fight for freedom. Freedom enshrined in the Bill of Rights. Freedom such as exercising the First Amendment right to protest.
When we enlisted, we took an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Not a President, not a party, not an ideology. The Constitution.
And if you were deployed to a combat zone (as I was), you took that oath again. Fascists need to have that drilled into their thick skulls, especially fascists who did not wear the uniform when they had the chance (like a certain mango muttonhead who shall remain nameless).
But...but...but...his bonespurs!
I'm going to need to see the long form bone spurs diagnosis.
😁😇
Awfully funny how those bone spurs never affected all the golfing he does/cheats at. How conveeeeeeenient.
The bone spurs were highly likely to have been in his head … and possibly could have melted by now with the results that we now witness.
Betcha it wouldn't have happened if this had been a generic protestant, white student.
When I was in school in the 70s, a black student refused to stand for it also. The white male teacher went over grabbed him by the shirt and stood him up telling him, he didn’t have to say the pledge but he had to stand! (Why?) That the teacher treated him like that was scary to the rest of us. Atrocious!
There were times when I was in school and I didn't stand for the pledge and was never been in trouble over it. Heck. When I was in middle school, we didn't even recite the pledge because back then it was no big deal. We got on with the lessons the teacher has assigned for us to engage in without a problem.
Times sure have changed, isn't it?
ABSOLUTELY. Dumping on a young lady with perhaps an Arabic background? Soranno probably thought she was fair game.
She thought wrong.
You have to remember that according to the Christian nationalist redneck a true American is white (European descent), Christian (evangelical, but other Protestant groups are ok), conservative (fascist), republican (Trump supporter), and only those in the description of a true American I mentioned above deserve civil liberties and human rights. All others according to the redneck’s mindset should know their place and not think that they (anyone who isn’t maga) are equals.
In fact according to the redneck’s mindset all others are to be used, abused a killed without consequences, because at the best of times the redneck see all others as inferior; at worst of times the redneck see all others as less than human.
That is the attitude behind the force pledge of allegiance and other conservative acts that they (the magas) want to push on to American society.
The contortions xtians go through to pretzel logic their way through activities their own god would find shameful and inhumane, lends credence to the argument that they are all FULL OF SHIT, and it smelleth.
Oh, I know that. Doesn't change the fact that Soranno thought WRONG, and with any luck, she's going to learn how wrong she was, preferably the hard way.
I agree with you, I was just pointing out the justification that some people might not realize. I hope Soranno lose her job and teaching certificate, so she doesn’t teach ever again.
If these same individuals took the time to read (I know, I know), they would discover that a "pure white race" has no basis in genetics. Humankind began in (gasp) Africa.
Reading any book not approved by the Christian nationalist redneck clergy, their redneck leaders, or right wing media outlets is a sin, as well as being “woke” and anti-Christian.
Otherwise reading might actually cause a redneck to self-reflect, think critically, and introspection which are sins and signs that the redneck is not a true believer. For in the mind of the redneck a true believer is someone who is ignorant, has single minded faith, and blind obedience to the Christian nationalist clergy and their leaders.
Um, you forgot male. Wimmins don't count. /s
I think I already mentioned it, once in high school, a teacher was disrespectful toward two students, one raised a hand to ask a question about something she didn't understood and he deliberately ignored her, another one started to explain and he berated them "The two Arabs at the back, get out". We all looked at each other, grabbed our stuff and got out. We did sit ins until he apologized. He was not tenured and the following year, his contract was not renewed. Bon débarras.
This young lady had every right to sit out the idiotic militant pledge to the flag. That whole thing is Nationalistic & reeks of Dictatorship style government. Pledge of allegiance to the flag should be eliminated altogether from schools!
Reciting the pledge disappeared from my rural school district when I was in fourth grade. I don't know why, it just stopped being done. It was kind of surprising at first, coming across stories about schools that still do this, but then again maybe not so surprising given the rise in christian nationalism.
It's also ironic that the pledge says our nation is "indivisible" when the pledge itself is often used as a divisive wedge.
Quick OT, lest I forget...
Happy 91st Birthday to Jamie Farr (M*A*S*H). Also a Happy 74th Birthday to the B-52s Fred Schneider.
"𝑆𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑙𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑡𝑟𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑒𝑛𝑗𝑜𝑦 𝑖𝑡𝑠 𝑓𝑟𝑒𝑒𝑑𝑜𝑚..."
Teacher doesn't understand the words coming out of her own mouth.
𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑛𝑜 𝑠𝑢𝑐ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑠 𝑓𝑟𝑒𝑒𝑑𝑜𝑚 𝑜𝑓 𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑖𝑐𝑒 𝑢𝑛𝑙𝑒𝑠𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑓𝑟𝑒𝑒𝑑𝑜𝑚 𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑓𝑢𝑠𝑒.
-- David Hume
“𝑆𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑙𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑡𝑟𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑒𝑛𝑗𝑜𝑦 𝑖𝑡𝑠 𝑓𝑟𝑒𝑒𝑑𝑜𝑚, 𝑖𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑑𝑜𝑛’𝑡 𝑙𝑖𝑘𝑒 𝑖𝑡, 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑔𝑜 𝑏𝑎𝑐𝑘 𝑡𝑜 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑡𝑟𝑦.”
If i could have been in the room as a parent or guardian, I would have gone off on the teacher. Citing West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette | Oyez https://share.google/EXYguvfzItk5NTDzJ then turning her words back on her. Which white European country did her family come from, and would she go back there?
I wish someone had been there to give her a good dressing down like she deserved...in front of the entire class.
If you had been in the room, she would not have done it. These freaks are miserable weaklings that must be stood up to. They hide in the shadows. With Shitler in power, they feel empowered to discriminate.
Carissa Soranno sounds Italian.
Possible, but could be by marriage.
Do USA women change their first name too when marrying ? How peticular 😋
Some parents in the USA do like giving their daughters names that sound "fancy" or "poetic" or whatever.
God, that teacher was stubborn wasn't she? You'd think that after it's all been explained to her – and I presume it was but who knows – should have the sense to shut up and sit down. Bet she's a fundamentalist Christian. They never know when to shut up and sit down.
It's pretty clear to me that she had a chip on her shoulder of some sort. Whether it's about Arabs or what, I don't know, but her repeated behavior should have been called out, pointed out, and then she should have been thrown out.
I’m getting very close to the point of advocating the guillotine for all of them.
Guillotine would be too quick and too easy. Let us do in her own juices in a 6x9 cell for a little bit and see how she feels.
El Salvador?
Or the newly opened Alligator Alcatraz?
Every time I think I can't possibly be more embarrassed to be from Floriduh.....
*holds your hand in solidarity.*
For the Dominican Republic.
I hope she is stripped of her teaching credentials. She should never be allowed in a reaching position anywhere ever again.
From their POV, it's all those OTHER people who are supposed to sit down and STFU.
I fail to see how someone sitting quietly is disrespectful, but creating a disturbance by berating that person isn't.
Forget disrespectful, what the teacher did was illegal harassment. They did it once, the victim let them know they didn't like it and asked them to stop, the harasser's *boss* told them to stop, and they kept doing it to the same victim. Textbook harassment.
The same slop the teacher gave out is the same slop every teacher gave out every time their student refuses to stand or recite the pledge out of blatant hypocrisy of respecting the military only to render them as outcasts and destitutes by throwing them out into the streets and rendering them homeless as a token of "thanks" for serving this country.
This is how you would expect prisoners to be treated, not our children.
To conservatives, that's a distinction without a difference. Children are property, in their worldview.
👆🎯
Thinking back to my own adolescence, the kid was brave for staying seated, thinking ahead to issues it might have caused with classmates. The teacher’s bullying gave wholesale approval for open season on the child.
Horrible.
Disabled Combat Veteran here....I served so Ms. Khalaf could sit, stand, recite, remain silent, take a knee, whatever she so chooses. It certainly wasn't to enable asshats like Soranno could use her position of authority to repress the Rights of others.
Sue her into poverty.
Some people simply do not get it, and by "it," I mean the First Amendment. I've forgotten what court decision it was, but the right NOT to stand for the Pledge was established years ago. Yet this dingbat Soranno goes after Ms. Khalaf multiple times, even after being advised and warned about such behavior, and has clearly caused her considerable trauma.
From the article, it at least sounds as though Soranno has left the building, not to return, and that's at least SOMETHING. Still, the legal action is warranted, and employed or not, she should be a part of that lawsuit. She fucked around. She should damned well find out.
And not just once, yet it's not the first post written by Hemant about a student 1st amendment rights bring trampled.
Instead of putting up Ten Commandments signs in public schools, maybe faculties could put up West Virginia State Board of Education v Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943)
What should be particularly highlighted are the opinions of Chief Justice Robert H. Jackson and concurring Justices Hugo Black and William O. Douglas
They want conformity. They don't want to let the students know that they have 𝘳𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵𝘴.
"They want conformity."
Just like Christian Fundies, including creationists.
NOGODZ20, I’m all for that. The pledge is an asinine relic that must be eliminated.
Amen…so to speak.
A loyalty oath in a constitution republic/democracy. It should have been unthinkable.