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Maltnothops's avatar

This illustrates why giving money to your church is not actually charitable giving any more than paying dues to your country club is charitable giving. You are keeping your clubhouse going for the benefit of the club.

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Danielle Kane's avatar

Great comparison— I think you’re exactly right

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Maltnothops's avatar

Thank you.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

I agree that the first ten percent is dues.

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Shannon's avatar

This shouldn’t be surprising- but it’s truly disgusting! Good for her for proving what we already knew they believed: pro-life ends at birth.

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Ethereal Fairy's avatar

Always was, there are a few but not the mainstream christian churches. This just proves it they are forced-birthers. George Carlin called it back in the misnomer "Moral Majority " days.(they were neither, just delusional.)

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Straw's avatar

Perfect comment. Personally I got a big bit angry, reading about her research.

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Alierias's avatar

My SiL and her husband’s family are all in a “prosperity gospel church”, which is the worst heresy imaginable, and when my SiL and her family we’re going through some hard times between jobs, that church told them that god was PUNISHING THEM for something and flat-out refused to help them AT ALL.

I can’t understand how, but even after that public shaming, they’re still going…😳

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Bensnewlogin's avatar

The Kool-Aid was free. That’s why they’re still drinking.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Oh no, it's not, tithing. 💲

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Straw's avatar
Nov 8Edited

It might be hard to admit that people you trusted are shitty people, but still. Weird.

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David Graf's avatar

I know what you are talking about. At one of these churches, a woman was told that her husband's cancer was due to a lack of faith but make sure to keep up giving your bucks to the church.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Didn't you said less than 2 weeks ago that you DON'T read others comments ? You have trouble keeping track of your lies I see.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

He's sure doing a lot of not-reading on this article.

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John Smith's avatar

Yet, davyboy always misses a troll. Plus, Davyboy tells us that he confronts Christians on a Christian blog; which I call bullshit on that; yet seem afraid to confront Christian trolls on this blog. I would think it would be easier for Davyboy to confront a Christian trolls on an atheist blog, considering atheist wouldn’t go about and claim that he isn’t a true Christian or shun him or even ban him from the blog! Yet Davyboy lack of actions make me conclude that Davyboy doesn’t confront any Christian anywhere!

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Xtian sites must bore him to tears, since he's here all the time. And Hemant's not likely to ban him, so he feels safe in taking some of the stances he takes because they're technically not troll posts.

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Greg Brown's avatar

I love that the Buddhist Temple and the Islamic Mosque were willing to help. I would bet that African American churches would be willing to help, too. White, evangelical mega-churches? Not a chance in Hades.

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oraxx's avatar

When the hurricane hit Houston a few years ago, Joel Osteen made sure his church remained securely locked, lest all those hurricane victims damage his new carpets.

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oraxx's avatar

Very apt!

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Bingo!

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Duke  Stuart's avatar

I well remember that...oh so typical of the charlatans (sigh)

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Ethereal Fairy's avatar

He was worried about his white carpets, if I recall correctly.

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Ethereal Fairy's avatar

They finally shamed him into opening days later, the local "mattress king" guy was the first to help.

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Vanja's avatar

I wish she called a gay bar as well. I bet they’d offer help immediately.

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Ethereal Fairy's avatar

I believe they the (black churches) were also among the helpers.

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oraxx's avatar

First and foremost, organized religion is a business and giving things away is bad for the bottom line. Woody Guthrie talked about this in his dust bowl stories. Churches were the last places to go in search of help for the millions of unemployed. During the horrific Irish potato famine, no priest is known to have starved.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

It is all built on a platform of misinformation and fraud and grift. The Bible is quite clear about welcoming the stranger and loving your neighbor as yourself, but that is just too woke for the modern evangelical christians. I mean, seriously - you expect us to help people? I don't believe there is a 'real' Jesus at the beginning of Christianity, but if there was, I'll bet he is at the pearly gates next to St. Peter, doing a big thumbs down to the evilgelicals as they show up.

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Loree St. Claire's avatar

I like your term for evangelicals much better, it’s more realistic.

(If a little harder to pronounce)

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Stephen Brady's avatar

It’s not mine. I just appropriated it. I think you can feel free to use it.

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Ethereal Fairy's avatar

👆🎯

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Boreal's avatar

"While some of those churches are very small, some are huge. They take in tithes by the thousands and own plenty of real estate" , while paying zero in taxes.

Churches are about two things:

Acquisition of money to enrich the church parasite-pastors

And virtue signaling to control the lives of the gullable.

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oraxx's avatar

The preachers can talk about their loving Jesus and the glorious afterlife from now on, but there is nothing they crave so much as power and wealth on this earthly plain. Power few groups are more ill-equipped to exercise.

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Donrox's avatar

I served some small United Methodists Churches. Everyone had a food pantry, everyone had extra money for baby formula if necessary.

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Loree St. Claire's avatar

That was then, and I have had some help from churches, catholic or Seventh-day Adventist, but that was before Trump.

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Duke  Stuart's avatar

neib used to belong to a local 'plentycaustical" whacko church...BUT...even he left the group, saying "sick n tired' of having to pay for pastor's new Cadi ,"Fleetwood Brougham " every 2 years...oh so typical...(most of the congregation live in single wide tin trailers)

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OwossoHarpist's avatar

It's like you can't tell an actual preacher man from a leech. They're both one and the same.

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Straw's avatar

What did the leech do to you? Comparing it with a preacher is mean.

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John Smith's avatar

The leech looks better!

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Richard Edwards's avatar

And leeches can be medically useful.

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

And ruthless efficiency...three things...

I'll come in again.

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Moe and Effie's avatar

I say a big rAmen to that!

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Joe King's avatar

𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑐𝑒𝑝𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑖𝑠𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑑, “𝑊𝑖𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎 𝑚𝑒𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑐ℎ—𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑖𝑠 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑏𝑜𝑎𝑟𝑑 𝑚𝑒𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟𝑠 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑠𝑒𝑡 ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒—𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎 𝑚𝑒𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑐ℎ, 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒’𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑤𝑒 𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑑𝑜.”

Matthew 25, where it speaks of "the least of these", doesn't have anything to say about whether or not they are supposed to be people you actually know. These assholes only care if it affects 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘮.

𝑀𝑜𝑛𝑟𝑜𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑖𝑑 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐼𝑠𝑙𝑎𝑚𝑖𝑐 𝐶𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑟, “𝑊𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 ℎ𝑒𝑙𝑝 𝑓𝑒𝑒𝑑 𝑎 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑟𝑣𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑏𝑎𝑏𝑦 𝑛𝑜 ℎ𝑒𝑠𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛.”

And here is one of their boogeymen setting the example they should be following. All the Abrahamics require some sort of charity, which group is most likely to perform that charity? Especially without strings attached.

If Ms Monroe had contacted a chapter of The Satanic Temple, there is no doubt they would have offered help. The same would have been true of local atheist communities, like the ACA. Hell, if she had found me randomly and asked, I would have given.

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Kukaan Ei Missään's avatar

"All the Abrahamics require some sort of charity, which group is most likely to perform that charity?"

Go into a Sikh temple with a Langar, cover your head and take off your shoes on entry and food will be provided.

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Loree St. Claire's avatar

You don’t have to “cover your head or take off your shoes on entry” to get food from them. The food pantry is probably in a different part of the church anyway. The part where anybody can get into.

Jewish synagogues also require their heads to be covered, not just Sikhs.

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Erp's avatar

In a gurdwara the feeding is a communal meal (search on langar) where everyone eats together on an equal basis: Sikhs, non-Sikhs, rich, poor, men, women, children. And you do cover heads and take off shoes. The really big gurdwaras may be feeding tens of thousands of people per day. The meal is simple and lacto-vegetarian and helping prepare it is considered as a religious service.

During the pandemic some gurdwaras delivered or had takeaway and they may do that in addition to the langar still.

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Duke  Stuart's avatar

Excellent !

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The "Subtilizer"'s avatar

Having lived in Somerset Kentucky for a couple years as a teenager I wasn't surprised by by the behavior of the churches you listed Somerset Kentucky and its churches are more or less a hotbed of performative Christianity

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Duke  Stuart's avatar

SC is same....

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Ethereal Fairy's avatar

To quote Willy Wonka: "You get nothing!" from them, anyway.

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Name: lenora good, Guest's avatar

I bet if she contacts more non-Xtian churches (ie, wiccan, etc.) she'll be overwhelmed with help. I left the Xtian faith during the AIDS epidemic--I just couldn't deal with the hate any more. Their mantra du jour being "Hate the sin, love the sinner." Unfortunately, they couldn't see any Love in the bible, or themselves, and Hate was so much easier for them. Since leaving the Xtians, I am both physically, and mentally, healthier. Of course, I'm also considerably older now, too /snark/

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Several years ago, a German or French reporter tried a similar approach. He would walk from X to Y (several days of travel) without money and ask people for food, shelter etc. I kept 2 exemples in memory.

1) Looking for a place to sleep*, he went to a monastery. They directed him to a homeless center they managed. The phone call was priceless, in a bad way. Not only he needed to call the center 24 h before at minima to get a place but ne needed to give an address of residence 🤪

2) Seeing a woman leaning on her fence, he asked for some water. She started a conversation with him, and she ended up giving him some food and a couple of bottles of water for later.

Conclusion : he was very disabused by the priests and monks hypocrisy.

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Bensnewlogin's avatar

This is so unfair! I haven’t even gotten started on my 1st cup of coffee, I’m reading not even the headline, but the sub headline, and already I am forced to think. Fortunately, I can manage that.

Here’s the sub headline: Nikalie Monroe’s viral experiment reveals a devastating truth: Many houses of worship preach compassion but practice indifference.

And that simply not a fair assessment of the situation. They’re not practicing indifference. They know how to do that very well..

THEY’VE GOT IT DOWN TO AN ART FORM.

Now, back to my coffee.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

And they hardly had to work at it. In fact, they didn't work AT ALL!

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NOGODZ20's avatar

All they had to do was simply give the churches enough rope. The inevitable always happens.

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Bensnewlogin's avatar

They tie themselves into knots trying not to do what they said that they’re supposed to do? Help me out here!

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

And in so doing, hung themselves out to dry!

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Hannah's avatar

Come over here. I'll show you how to bang your head against the wall. It doesn't hurt that much. 🤕.

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Bensnewlogin's avatar

So kind of you. So kind.

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Ethereal Fairy's avatar

👆🎯right again.

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Bensnewlogin's avatar

Practice makes pervert, I always say.

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Ethereal Fairy's avatar

You are very insightful, even before caffeine! I enjoy reading your comments.

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Bensnewlogin's avatar

Thank you for the nice compliment. I really appreciate it.’

My goal is always to deconstruct what people say to see if what they think they’re saying matches what they are saying and what they think they’re doing matches what they’re saying they’re doing, and more importantly, matches what they actually are doing.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

"...there's nothing we can do."

Aren't you the religion that has an awesome god? Aren't you the religion that has a messiah who tells its followers that all it takes is 2 or more gathering together and praying to said awesome god in its son's name and whatever they prayed for would be accomplished?

Puny god.

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Joe King's avatar

"There's nothing we can do" = "We don't want to help the 𝘱𝘰𝘰𝘳𝘴. Eww."

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NOGODZ20's avatar

We might get our megachurch's carpets all wet and dirty.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Osteen should be nailed with that stupidity every day of the week.

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Ethereal Fairy's avatar

Remember when they got robbed years ago and offered a reward for recovering the money. A plumber found it in a wall, while repairing some pipes turned it in to them, and was told the reward had expired. It was over 600,000 a few nights take.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/12/03/texas-plumber-finds-money-joel-osteens-lakewood-church-houston/8859114002/

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Hannah's avatar

600K? In a wall? I don't remember ever losing track of 600K.

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Ethereal Fairy's avatar

Well it was only a few nights of tithing. They knew they had been robbed.

“Lakewood Church officials reported the discovery to police after they were made aware of it, according to a statement published by KHOU 11 News.

Recently, while repair work was being done at Lakewood Church, an undisclosed amount of cash and checks were found. Lakewood immediately notified the Houston Police Department and is assisting them with their investigation," the church said in the statement. "Lakewood has no further comment at this time.

In March 2014, church officials reported thieves cracked a safe and made off with hundreds of thousands of dollars. Houston Police at the time reported$200,000 in cash and $400,000 worth of checks had been taken in the theft.

"Police never made any arrest[s] in the 2014 theft and it is unclear where the case left off," the Houston Chronicle reports.

Crime Stoppers of Houston did offer a reward of $25,000 for information leading to the arrest of the burglars, KPRC News reported. The statute of limitations on the case has since expired, meaning reward money is no longer up for grabs.”

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Puny god, all right ... and stingy, uncaring followers.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Guess all those churches who couldn't help can now disabuse themselves of the laughable notion that they are somehow "pro-life."

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Joe King's avatar

They are pro life. If you define life as either a straight white Christian man who isn't suspected of a capital crime, or a clump of cells in the process of gestating.

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Cb's avatar

In this case it appears that the straight white man would also need to attend their church. That’s an even higher bar to hurdle.

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Joe King's avatar

That's why they get the bagpipes, erm define Christian.

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Boreal's avatar

NYS says fuck you to cross eyed Ken.

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

Hey, laughing in the playground

Gets no kicks from little boys

Would rather make it with a letching gray, yeah

Or maybe her attention is drawn by aqualung

Who watches through the railings as they play

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Paxton needs to get a life, find a hobby, do SOMETHING other than harass women!

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John Smith's avatar

Paxton can go and fuck some barnyard animals!

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Die Anyway's avatar

Any way we can count lions, tigers or bears as barnyard animals?

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John Smith's avatar

Sure, why not!

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Whitney's avatar

The worst part of this for me is just how unsurprised I am by the result. In other words, 𝐼 𝑎𝑠𝑠𝑢𝑚𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑠𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑐ℎ𝑒𝑠 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑛𝑜𝑡 ℎ𝑒𝑙𝑝 𝑎 ℎ𝑢𝑛𝑔𝑟𝑦 𝑏𝑎𝑏𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑐ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑐ℎ '𝑓𝑎𝑚𝑖𝑙𝑦', 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝐼 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑖𝑛 𝑚𝑜𝑠𝑡 𝑐𝑎𝑠𝑒𝑠.

Just about every church I have been to has been willing to help church members, and that's about it. Sure, you could get a box of food or maybe a meal sometimes, but those churches treated that service as outreach, and the expectation was that you'd be attending at least one religious service before they gave you anything. While I'm aware that most of a given church's membership doesn't donate nearly as much money to the church as might be expected, that really isn't any excuse; as noted above, so many churches these days have expensive sound systems, recent building upgrades, or other high dollar items for their member's use and enjoyment. Helping people out just isn't a priority for many congregations.

Conservative circles like to claim that the government shouldn't be in the business of helping people on the basis that the churches should be doing that instead. This experiment just confirms something I've seen many times now, that conservatives just won't and don't support those in need, and resent the government taxing them to support the needy.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

How dare you deprive a passtor of his 754th custom made pair of Italian leather shoes ?

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

Two Corinthians leather?

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Whitney's avatar

Hang on, I'll go cut up an onion so that passtor can have some tears for his precious shoes.

/s

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dammit barry's avatar

In the NOT A DRAG QUEEN dept.

Michigan State Rep. Bryan Posthumus, a MAGA-aligned lawmaker known for his anti-trans positions and “family values” branding, has been linked to accounts on three adult websites.

The websites include Ashley Madison, a platform for people seeking extramarital affairs. The Detroit Metro Times reports that leaked user data connects Posthumus to an email address, home address, and credit card all bearing his name. The alleged accounts were active in 2012, during his marriage to his now ex-wife, and listed sexual interests including “online flirting,” “men,” “women,” and “couples.”

Posthumus’ lawyer John C. Burns called the Detroit Metro Times‘ report “categorically false” and called its article a “hit piece” and “nothing more than a thinly veiled political attack masquerading as journalism.”

Posthumus In September Posthumus voted for a bill that would force trans students to use bathrooms that don’t match their gender identity. In 2022, the Christian Coalition of Michigan gave Posthumus its “Friend of the Family Award” for his “strong defense of family values.”

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Bensnewlogin's avatar

It’s too bad he’s posthumous in name only.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Davy Davy Davy, what part of Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery did you fail to learn?

Xtians are so quick to try and post the Ten Commandments on public property yet can't be bothered to follow those commandments themselves.

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