Even more so, how many times must they be told that the entirety of the Ten Commandments is irrelevant to the foundations of this country, and that the founders did not consult them at all.
In all seriousness, the issue of the 10Cs in public school classrooms should have been (and mostly WAS) settled ages ago. Sadly, the current outbreak of Christian stupidity makes it the non-problem that won't go away. Doubtless, the Freedom From Religion Foundation, American Atheists, and other such organizations will saddle up once again to correct these doofuses of their mistaken beliefs.
These doofuses want to escalate one of these cases up to the supreme court where the Alito gang of six can't wait to rule that "Ordering to remove these displays infringes on the religious freedom of the schoolboards."
To which I would respond: what about the impingement on those who do not subscribe to the Ten Commandments or their associated religions? The right to wave one's beliefs about ends at the next person's nose.
Like Roe. Remember, they've got six of nine (in)justices who believe that garbage, with zero oversight, so could decapitate religion/government separation quite easily. It's scary, how some basic rights are hanging by a thread, and some already gone. I've seen those rights be gained-- and then destroyed-- *in my lifetime*, and that's even scarier.
As a founding document of the United States you can't reject the Ten Commandments just like you can't reject the Declaration of Indepence or the Constitution. (but for some reasons you must reject the Treaty of Tripoly /s)
The elected officials who approved this should be held personally liable for the costs of defending their actions in court. Eight of the Commandments would be unconstitutional should anyone try writing them into law. There is no way this country was founded on them.
A lot of us have said that in response to these lawsuits, and to this day, not one of them has been held personally liable. I would give a lot to see that happen.
I find it very telling that these Christians insist on putting the Ten Commandments up in all these government buildings, demanding permanent displays, while the churches don’t generally post them even with temporary posters in the Sunday school classrooms. And they’re willing to fight for them in court, knowing they are in the wrong.
Let’s not forget that these are the same type of people who are praising Hegseth for publicly executing a paraplegic man by firing line. The man is a killer and requires justice meted out, however the proposed execution is not justice. Firing squads are outdated and cruel, maybe they’re not unconstitutional specifically, but it is cruel and unusual punishment. We can’t even get the lethal injection right, the recent case where a woman took two injections and still didn’t die, but we have found that that isn’t cruelty free as other recipients have had more painful complications. Anyway, I got off track, it can easily be argued that the one commandment against killing, even murder, covers executions. And the whole, “my savior was publicly executed to save me, I hate the executioners that killed him, but I celebrate the execution of other people (many of whom were not guilty and I don’t care to put the effort into ensuring only the guilty are put to death)” thinking is quite hypocritical.
My dad lives in one of the counties listed as considering this display. I will let him know if he wants to protest it. Though, I am not sure he has that in him, he will, if given the opportunity, vote against the school board member for sure.
I would be curious to give the school board a pop quiz and see how many of them could actually list the Ten Commandments.
And then I would like an essay how the Ten Commandments were a "founding document" of the United States which built the foundations of our prosperity on killing natives and Black slaves, coveting, and stealing land and labor.
And a second essay on what exactly they think this would accomplish. Because thus far, it seems like it's:
1. Post Ten Commandments in classrooms.
2. ?
3. Everyone acts better and there are no more murders in schools!
The absurdity of school boards never fails to entertain.
1) Boards in charge of planning, oh, education.
2) History is part of education. Much stuff is written down. Study and attention is required.
3) "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" was penned by Thomas Jefferson (yes a founding father with the specific intent to do what he did). Inquisitive educators may ask why the words were capitalized?
4) Jefferson's "philosophy of life" was as an Epicurean. (Thomas J letter to Samuel Adams 8/15/1820 see "The Swerve" 2011 by Stephen Greenblatt, page 263)
5) Epicureanism does not rely upon any god for guidance, divine will or intervention.
This point is only one of the many reasons I proudly join the late and great Christopher Hitchens as an anti-theist.
6) Thomas Jefferson was a DEIST. He did NOT believe in the divinity of Jesus and indeed created his own bible, editing out anything that could be construed as supernatural.
Of course, they are simply trying to upend 100 years or so of jurisprudence in this country, and insert their particular version of their particular religion into the public schools. Nothing new or not obvious there.
Now if I were a teacher in one of those schools, I would be assigning an essay::
Pick a Commandment, any Commandment. Then pick a prominent politician or cultural practice which violates that commandment. Explain how that prominent politician or cultural practice violates that commandment. You must support what you have to say with names and dates, followed by appropriate punishments.
For example, the first Commandment: thou shall have no other gods before me. Pick a group or individual that does have a different God. Find the punishment for violating that commandment. For example, Deuteronomy orders people to fill all the unbelievers in the town. Why is this a good idea or a bad idea. Find appropriate biblical passages which support your position.
Or another one: the woman then Tennessee that they’ve tried to murder twice, but are so incompetent that they can’t seem to manage it. If thou shall not kill, well, technically speaking, they aren’t, but they are sure in there trying. Comparing contrast.
Our founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves. Anyone who does not understand the the Constitution was written with the idea that they did not want divinely appointed kings needs to go take a real history class. The pilgrims themselves were fleeing religious persecution. Our founding fathers did something no one else had at the time; they created a government free from religious tyranny. Today, it seems these idiots are pining for the days of King George.
So gratifying to hear an elected official actually calling out this stupid dumbass move as the actual dumbass move it is. I wish more people would cut thru the BS like this and call a spade a spade.
Tennessee also gave us the Scopes Monkey Trial where Dayton County thought it’d be a way to get a bit of notice if they were the first to prosecute someone for teaching Darwin’s theory of evolution to impressionable young minds.
Posting these documents is one thing, what’s a teacher to do if a student begins to ask uncomfortable questions bordering on religious interpretation? For example, if they belong to an expression that combines 1 & 2, why is there a difference? Or, why is there a separate one for coveting a house but wives are lumped in with servants, livestock & other property? Is it against the 10C to covet a husband or is that acceptable? When Trump bears false witness, what should the elected officials from the pro-10C Tennessee counties do in response? Denounce the statements as an affront to God & all that is holy?
Can’t wait for this sequel to “Inherit the Wind” to be written.
This again? How many times must they be told that Ten Commandments displays violate the 2nd Commandment?
You know about the game whack-a-mole?
Trust me ... HE DOES!
And the First Commandment violates the First Amendment.
Even more so, how many times must they be told that the entirety of the Ten Commandments is irrelevant to the foundations of this country, and that the founders did not consult them at all.
𝐼𝑡’𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑎 𝑝𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑡𝑖𝑐 𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑚𝑝𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑎𝑝𝑝𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑒 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑁𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑠, 𝑖𝑡’𝑠 𝑎 𝑚𝑜𝑣𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑎 𝑙𝑎𝑤𝑠𝑢𝑖𝑡.
Gee, you think?!? What was your first clue???
In all seriousness, the issue of the 10Cs in public school classrooms should have been (and mostly WAS) settled ages ago. Sadly, the current outbreak of Christian stupidity makes it the non-problem that won't go away. Doubtless, the Freedom From Religion Foundation, American Atheists, and other such organizations will saddle up once again to correct these doofuses of their mistaken beliefs.
And waste more public funds in the process.
These doofuses want to escalate one of these cases up to the supreme court where the Alito gang of six can't wait to rule that "Ordering to remove these displays infringes on the religious freedom of the schoolboards."
To which I would respond: what about the impingement on those who do not subscribe to the Ten Commandments or their associated religions? The right to wave one's beliefs about ends at the next person's nose.
I want to see that point made and pressed home.
Yeah, they'll ignore anybody(s) who isn't a member of their cult, so it'd be a no-go.
If SCOTUS genuinely wants to do that, kiss State / Church separation goodbye.
Like Roe. Remember, they've got six of nine (in)justices who believe that garbage, with zero oversight, so could decapitate religion/government separation quite easily. It's scary, how some basic rights are hanging by a thread, and some already gone. I've seen those rights be gained-- and then destroyed-- *in my lifetime*, and that's even scarier.
As a founding document of the United States you can't reject the Ten Commandments just like you can't reject the Declaration of Indepence or the Constitution. (but for some reasons you must reject the Treaty of Tripoly /s)
Watch me... 😈
Does a school board have that freedom? I think they would be hard pressed to defend that idea in court.
You know they don't, I know they don't, and the Supreme Court will just ignore the fact that they don't have that freedom.
The elected officials who approved this should be held personally liable for the costs of defending their actions in court. Eight of the Commandments would be unconstitutional should anyone try writing them into law. There is no way this country was founded on them.
A lot of us have said that in response to these lawsuits, and to this day, not one of them has been held personally liable. I would give a lot to see that happen.
Once again, I'm not turning blue for waiting.
I find it very telling that these Christians insist on putting the Ten Commandments up in all these government buildings, demanding permanent displays, while the churches don’t generally post them even with temporary posters in the Sunday school classrooms. And they’re willing to fight for them in court, knowing they are in the wrong.
Let’s not forget that these are the same type of people who are praising Hegseth for publicly executing a paraplegic man by firing line. The man is a killer and requires justice meted out, however the proposed execution is not justice. Firing squads are outdated and cruel, maybe they’re not unconstitutional specifically, but it is cruel and unusual punishment. We can’t even get the lethal injection right, the recent case where a woman took two injections and still didn’t die, but we have found that that isn’t cruelty free as other recipients have had more painful complications. Anyway, I got off track, it can easily be argued that the one commandment against killing, even murder, covers executions. And the whole, “my savior was publicly executed to save me, I hate the executioners that killed him, but I celebrate the execution of other people (many of whom were not guilty and I don’t care to put the effort into ensuring only the guilty are put to death)” thinking is quite hypocritical.
My dad lives in one of the counties listed as considering this display. I will let him know if he wants to protest it. Though, I am not sure he has that in him, he will, if given the opportunity, vote against the school board member for sure.
Make the board members personally liable for the eventual legal fees when they get sued and lose.
This problem goes away real fast.
Pissing by a wild dog to mark territory.
I would be curious to give the school board a pop quiz and see how many of them could actually list the Ten Commandments.
And then I would like an essay how the Ten Commandments were a "founding document" of the United States which built the foundations of our prosperity on killing natives and Black slaves, coveting, and stealing land and labor.
And a second essay on what exactly they think this would accomplish. Because thus far, it seems like it's:
1. Post Ten Commandments in classrooms.
2. ?
3. Everyone acts better and there are no more murders in schools!
𝐸𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡, 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑜𝑛 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 ℎ𝑒𝑎𝑑.
-- Lt. Col. Henry Blake, 4077th MASH
My head doesn’t have feet. It’s impossible. Gotcha atheist!
The absurdity of school boards never fails to entertain.
1) Boards in charge of planning, oh, education.
2) History is part of education. Much stuff is written down. Study and attention is required.
3) "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" was penned by Thomas Jefferson (yes a founding father with the specific intent to do what he did). Inquisitive educators may ask why the words were capitalized?
4) Jefferson's "philosophy of life" was as an Epicurean. (Thomas J letter to Samuel Adams 8/15/1820 see "The Swerve" 2011 by Stephen Greenblatt, page 263)
5) Epicureanism does not rely upon any god for guidance, divine will or intervention.
This point is only one of the many reasons I proudly join the late and great Christopher Hitchens as an anti-theist.
Add the following:
6) Thomas Jefferson was a DEIST. He did NOT believe in the divinity of Jesus and indeed created his own bible, editing out anything that could be construed as supernatural.
All this time and they have YET to put up a display of the actual 10 C.
You can bet your bottom dollar that no advocate of these things would ever try to follow THOSE 10 Cs.
Once again, it's rules for thee, not for me.
Meanwhile, school shootings continue to mount. Where is the biblical god?
Last I knew, he was out at the seventh tee. Says he likes a 5-iron there, but that's way too much club for a 155-yard par 3. 😝
And he cheats on the water hazards by parting those waters. :)
"Are you going to play golf, or are you going to fuck around?"
𝐼𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑖𝑠 𝑚𝑒𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑡𝑒𝑎𝑐ℎ 𝑘𝑖𝑑𝑠 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑜𝑢𝑟 “𝐹𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝐷𝑜𝑐𝑢𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠,” 𝑎𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑖𝑡𝑙𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑚𝑎𝑔𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑠, 𝑤ℎ𝑦 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑜𝑐𝑢𝑠 𝑜𝑛 𝑎 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑙𝑖𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑑𝑜 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑛𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛’𝑠 𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑛𝑠?
I, for one, would like to see these Christian Nationalists explain in great detail just how the 10 commandments are our founding documents.
Of course, they are simply trying to upend 100 years or so of jurisprudence in this country, and insert their particular version of their particular religion into the public schools. Nothing new or not obvious there.
Now if I were a teacher in one of those schools, I would be assigning an essay::
Pick a Commandment, any Commandment. Then pick a prominent politician or cultural practice which violates that commandment. Explain how that prominent politician or cultural practice violates that commandment. You must support what you have to say with names and dates, followed by appropriate punishments.
For example, the first Commandment: thou shall have no other gods before me. Pick a group or individual that does have a different God. Find the punishment for violating that commandment. For example, Deuteronomy orders people to fill all the unbelievers in the town. Why is this a good idea or a bad idea. Find appropriate biblical passages which support your position.
Or another one: the woman then Tennessee that they’ve tried to murder twice, but are so incompetent that they can’t seem to manage it. If thou shall not kill, well, technically speaking, they aren’t, but they are sure in there trying. Comparing contrast.
Our founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves. Anyone who does not understand the the Constitution was written with the idea that they did not want divinely appointed kings needs to go take a real history class. The pilgrims themselves were fleeing religious persecution. Our founding fathers did something no one else had at the time; they created a government free from religious tyranny. Today, it seems these idiots are pining for the days of King George.
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Want to do some actual good? Then put up a display of the 7 Fundamental Tenets of TST.
But-but-but ... that's SATANISM!!! (duh!!!)
So gratifying to hear an elected official actually calling out this stupid dumbass move as the actual dumbass move it is. I wish more people would cut thru the BS like this and call a spade a spade.
Tennessee also gave us the Scopes Monkey Trial where Dayton County thought it’d be a way to get a bit of notice if they were the first to prosecute someone for teaching Darwin’s theory of evolution to impressionable young minds.
Posting these documents is one thing, what’s a teacher to do if a student begins to ask uncomfortable questions bordering on religious interpretation? For example, if they belong to an expression that combines 1 & 2, why is there a difference? Or, why is there a separate one for coveting a house but wives are lumped in with servants, livestock & other property? Is it against the 10C to covet a husband or is that acceptable? When Trump bears false witness, what should the elected officials from the pro-10C Tennessee counties do in response? Denounce the statements as an affront to God & all that is holy?
Can’t wait for this sequel to “Inherit the Wind” to be written.