Arenβt the churches and synagogues enough to get their messages out? Why are they expecting tax payers to do for them what they have clearly failed to do for themselves? It is NEVER the job of our secular government to backstop anyoneβs religion. Religious schools should never get a penny of public money for any reason.
When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.
Could be, though it would be a bit long. I STILL like πΈ πππ’ππππ’π πππ’π, and I STILL think we never should have allowed that In God We Trust crap on ANYTHING, let alone our money.
So, if you treat all religions equally and reject all religions from participation in feeding at the public trough for private and sectarian purposes, is that discrimination on the basis of religious belief, or is it saying that church and state should be separate?
And if you treat Jewish schools the same way that you treat Christian schools, is that antisemitism or is that saying at church and state should be separate?
And if you say over and over again that you are tired of jihadis, zionists, hindu nationalists, rad trads, christian dominionists, and Nat-Cβsβtheocraps of every stripeβ are you discriminating against any of them or merely saying that church and state should be separate?
Power, money, and Dominion: these are the goals of modern religion. And they want everyone else to pay for it.
And they think that, because they are supposedly RIGHTEOUS and good as a matter of course and by their lights the backbone of the United States, that they deserve and are due that money.
Oh, of COURSE not! Didn't their savior say that one cannot serve both God and Mammon? [smirk - smirk ... GUFFAW!!!] Oh, hell, their god has been money / Mammon from the get-go!
I had an espresso, I probably wouldβve gone into one of my rants. As it was, my coffee was a lot stronger than usual. I usually have 3 cups in the morning, but I stopped at two.
βI don't know how you feel, but I'm pretty sick of church people. You know what they ought to do with churches? Tax them. If holy people are so interested in politics, government, and public policy, let them pay the price of admission like everybody else. The Catholic Church alone could wipe out the national debt if all you did was tax their real estate.β
Can you imagine the tax revenue New York could get from a large building on Fifth Avenue, located on a major piece of property across the street from Rockefeller Center? That is where St. Patrick's Cathedral free loads.
An architecture studio I worked at did the recent St. Patrickβs renovation/restoration and cleaning. They took the whole team up into the attic of the cathedral π. Spooky place in more ways than one.
A family run legacy firm that stretches back a hundred years or more. They work on just about all the churches in the city ;) I even specified a confessional chair! π
Public money does NOT belong in private schools, and particularly not in private RELIGIOUS schools. That should not be a controversial statement, and yet in the US, it is violated in multiple places, my home state of Ohio being one of them. Oklahoma should not be allowed to add itself to the list of violators.
Public money does not belong in private schools, but public oversight does. Private schools should be held to a minimum educational standard, the same way public schools are.
What in the Handmaids Tale is going on over there in Ohio? It probably wonβt pass, but alarming nonetheless.
A recently introduced bill in the Ohio House of Representatives, House Bill 754 (HB 754), proposes to create a "certificate of life" for pregnancies and track their outcomes. Introduced by Republican Representative Jean Schmidt in March 2026, the legislation would require medical professionals to file a record with the state within 10 days of detecting a fetal heartbeat.
No shit, it's alarming, never mind the other religious crap that goes on here. I recently read somewhere that there is a religious lobbying group that is located, allegedly, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET from the Ohio capital building, and they have been BUSY.
And apparently Ohio lawmakers don't give a ripe dump about State / Church separation.
That should have been his first hint to drip the whole thing. If the community you claim to serve tells you they don't want you to, it's time to consider what the real reason you're there is.
Can you say evangelical Trojan Horse? I knew you could.
This reminds me of the time I turned in a literal pile of shit for my American History essay. Sure it obvious had a bunch of flaws, like it was literally a pile of shit, instead of a 10,000 word essay on how the corruption of the political corruption of the early twenty century effected the response to great depression, and I understand why it got a failing grade. But since, Mr. Cooligen didn't describe why each peanut embedded in the shit deserves a failing grade, I demand it be regraded!
Wait... Oklahoma gas schools? Devil-worshippers!. I curse that land. May your land be ravaged by tornados, and my our bar-b-que briskets by dry and flavorless!!!
"Jewish charter school" Again, no surprises here. Oklahoma part of the Bible belt, Oral Roberts country and ORU. How dare the Jewish or any other Religions receive tax money other than the Christian death cult.
If the religious zealots canβt wring money from the public for their indoctrination, then theyβll waste it on lawsuits. I suppose they consider that a win-win because it never seems to end. π
Religious education must be one of the BIGGEST oxymoron out there! Half the time these religious schools donβt teach the proper educational curriculum, but teach outside the rules such as creationism in science class, Bible as actual history, etc. so the students are unable to cope with the modern world, and the only job they can get includes the phrase βDo you want fries with that?β.
Gosh, I wonder what theyβre trying to do. Using one of the board members of the Catholic charter school to get this Jewish school to be approved. How magnanimous of him.
I have mixed feelings about this AG. Sometimes he is very much in favor of chuirch/state separation and in others he seems kind of wishy/washy. is his real beef that these schools are catholic(not REAL talibangelicah Xtians) or Jewis(omfg)?
Let religious institutions pay their own way on things they want. Since they pay no taxes, they don't get to put their hands on taxpayer dollars.
Paging Mr. Franklin, Mr. Benjamin Franklin...
Edit: I should have read further before posting this.
Arenβt the churches and synagogues enough to get their messages out? Why are they expecting tax payers to do for them what they have clearly failed to do for themselves? It is NEVER the job of our secular government to backstop anyoneβs religion. Religious schools should never get a penny of public money for any reason.
ππ¨π π§ππ πππ‘ ππ₯ππ‘ππππ‘ π€π¨π’π§π πππ’π¨π§ π₯ππππππ’π‘ πππππ‘!!! π
(Here you go)
When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.
Gee whiz! I thought everyone had already memorized it! [chuckle!]
It ought to be on our currency.
Could be, though it would be a bit long. I STILL like πΈ πππ’ππππ’π πππ’π, and I STILL think we never should have allowed that In God We Trust crap on ANYTHING, let alone our money.
We did. :)
The Abrahamic cults needs young, vulnerable minds to maintain a steady supply of victims and tithes.
Bureaucratic institutions are inherently self-preserving.
So, if you treat all religions equally and reject all religions from participation in feeding at the public trough for private and sectarian purposes, is that discrimination on the basis of religious belief, or is it saying that church and state should be separate?
And if you treat Jewish schools the same way that you treat Christian schools, is that antisemitism or is that saying at church and state should be separate?
And if you say over and over again that you are tired of jihadis, zionists, hindu nationalists, rad trads, christian dominionists, and Nat-Cβsβtheocraps of every stripeβ are you discriminating against any of them or merely saying that church and state should be separate?
Power, money, and Dominion: these are the goals of modern religion. And they want everyone else to pay for it.
All of that on one cup of coffee.
And they think that, because they are supposedly RIGHTEOUS and good as a matter of course and by their lights the backbone of the United States, that they deserve and are due that money.
They are sadly and badly mistaken.
Surely you are not saying that their actual God is money.
Oh, of COURSE not! Didn't their savior say that one cannot serve both God and Mammon? [smirk - smirk ... GUFFAW!!!] Oh, hell, their god has been money / Mammon from the get-go!
Even Jesus was for church/state separation ("Render unto.." and all that).
All religion continues to be CAFETERIA religion ... and Christians continue to pick and choose as they please. It's beyond absurd.
They were talking about coffee.
Good thing you didn't have an espresso.
Oh, hell, I'd gladly buy Ben an espresso ... or whatever he'd like, given a chance. I mean, why not, just for the sake of intelligent conversation!
Why, thank you!
I had an espresso, I probably wouldβve gone into one of my rants. As it was, my coffee was a lot stronger than usual. I usually have 3 cups in the morning, but I stopped at two.
Shall I say it? I think I shall.
Tax the churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, etc. They wanna play? Let them pay.
βI don't know how you feel, but I'm pretty sick of church people. You know what they ought to do with churches? Tax them. If holy people are so interested in politics, government, and public policy, let them pay the price of admission like everybody else. The Catholic Church alone could wipe out the national debt if all you did was tax their real estate.β
-George Carlin
Agreed, tax the fucken churches! Frank Zappa-1980
Can you imagine the tax revenue New York could get from a large building on Fifth Avenue, located on a major piece of property across the street from Rockefeller Center? That is where St. Patrick's Cathedral free loads.
An architecture studio I worked at did the recent St. Patrickβs renovation/restoration and cleaning. They took the whole team up into the attic of the cathedral π. Spooky place in more ways than one.
A family run legacy firm that stretches back a hundred years or more. They work on just about all the churches in the city ;) I even specified a confessional chair! π
Public money does NOT belong in private schools, and particularly not in private RELIGIOUS schools. That should not be a controversial statement, and yet in the US, it is violated in multiple places, my home state of Ohio being one of them. Oklahoma should not be allowed to add itself to the list of violators.
And with luck and this lawsuit, it won't be.
Public money does not belong in private schools, but public oversight does. Private schools should be held to a minimum educational standard, the same way public schools are.
Yer damned skippy they should! People should know if they're being ripped off, ESPECIALLY as regards education.
What in the Handmaids Tale is going on over there in Ohio? It probably wonβt pass, but alarming nonetheless.
A recently introduced bill in the Ohio House of Representatives, House Bill 754 (HB 754), proposes to create a "certificate of life" for pregnancies and track their outcomes. Introduced by Republican Representative Jean Schmidt in March 2026, the legislation would require medical professionals to file a record with the state within 10 days of detecting a fetal heartbeat.
No shit, it's alarming, never mind the other religious crap that goes on here. I recently read somewhere that there is a religious lobbying group that is located, allegedly, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET from the Ohio capital building, and they have been BUSY.
And apparently Ohio lawmakers don't give a ripe dump about State / Church separation.
Yikes! Hang in there
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That should have been his first hint to drip the whole thing. If the community you claim to serve tells you they don't want you to, it's time to consider what the real reason you're there is.
Can you say evangelical Trojan Horse? I knew you could.
This reminds me of the time I turned in a literal pile of shit for my American History essay. Sure it obvious had a bunch of flaws, like it was literally a pile of shit, instead of a 10,000 word essay on how the corruption of the political corruption of the early twenty century effected the response to great depression, and I understand why it got a failing grade. But since, Mr. Cooligen didn't describe why each peanut embedded in the shit deserves a failing grade, I demand it be regraded!
You needed to chew your food better.
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Never mind creating adults who either cannot or will not take responsibility for their own actions.
But it does teach them to blame others and accuse people of the imaginary crime of sin.
Wait... Oklahoma gas schools? Devil-worshippers!. I curse that land. May your land be ravaged by tornados, and my our bar-b-que briskets by dry and flavorless!!!
"Jewish charter school" Again, no surprises here. Oklahoma part of the Bible belt, Oral Roberts country and ORU. How dare the Jewish or any other Religions receive tax money other than the Christian death cult.
God Bless Oklahoma?
If the religious zealots canβt wring money from the public for their indoctrination, then theyβll waste it on lawsuits. I suppose they consider that a win-win because it never seems to end. π
I agree with Jesse on this:
https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpaper/3840x2160/764714-Jesse-Ventura-Quote-Organized-religion-is-a-sham-and-a-crutch-for.jpg
Religious education must be one of the BIGGEST oxymoron out there! Half the time these religious schools donβt teach the proper educational curriculum, but teach outside the rules such as creationism in science class, Bible as actual history, etc. so the students are unable to cope with the modern world, and the only job they can get includes the phrase βDo you want fries with that?β.
Gosh, I wonder what theyβre trying to do. Using one of the board members of the Catholic charter school to get this Jewish school to be approved. How magnanimous of him.
Anything to kick off Armageddon soonest.
I have mixed feelings about this AG. Sometimes he is very much in favor of chuirch/state separation and in others he seems kind of wishy/washy. is his real beef that these schools are catholic(not REAL talibangelicah Xtians) or Jewis(omfg)?