Conservative Christians never stop trying to mark their territory in the public square. I have no idea what she thought her prayer would accomplish. Aside from the psychological effects on the believer, prayer never affected the outcome of anything.
Oh oraxx, ye of little faith. When I was a kid I prayed to Santa for a pair of roller skates. Christmas morning, what was under the tree? A pair of roller skates! Proof positive that prayer works.
I'm still around but was spending too much time online. I've been helping my son-in-law at his business, doing some projects around the house, going fishing, and currently installing a lift kit on my van. Oh, and playing Pokemon Go 😊. And camping and biking with friends. Trying to keep up with the commentariat at FA was just more than I could handle. I'm glad to see that you are still around. Still in Florida? My wife and I know several people who are moving out of state because of the new laws.
These assholes. It's not about tradition or religion, it's about dominance. They want you to know that they have the power and you can't stop them and they want to rub your faces in it.
A moment of silence is perfect to practice your faith and ask God quietly to be with you and the board members, but no. It doesn't scratch the supremacy itch these assholes have.
Uh, no. It is not. This is a civil, secular function. Your imaginary friend has no place in it. You live in the bible belt. Want to pray? I'm sure you can find a nice church where you can pray to your heart's content. Avail yourself of that church. At a meeting of the Berkeley County Board of Education? Just sit down and shut up about your godthing.
(BTW, "Invite God" into the boardroom? I thought your god was everywhere. And since when does an omnipotent deity require an invitation?)
People have their own version of Jesus or God in their heads not based on reason, evidence or even the Bible. It is simply based on what they think. And of course God is always on their side.
Since her puny god couldn't be bothered to show up and stop the Christian-run Holocaust against his Chosen People, I really don't think he has the slightest interest in this or any other board meeting.
Jews think of themselves as God’s “chosen people”. But look at the historical record. They’ve spent almost their entire existence in either captivity, exile, slavery, persecution, ghettoes, or death camps. I wonder how many of them ever wish that God had chosen some OTHER people instead.
[chuckle] Phenomenal. If the school board isn't going to open their meetings with a prayer, this Karen (a.k.a. Ann Conder) is going to insist on it, because Christian!
Has anyone considered arresting her on the charge of, say, Disturbing the Peace or maybe Disruptive Behavior? I think she could stand to learn a lesson, said lesson involving a fine and maybe jail time?
Why would they do that? They want to inject the Christian prayers, they just can’t do it officially. So, they’ll let this ex board member shout her prayer while punishing folks who ask her to stop.
Oh, so you're into traditional and historical practices. Would that include slavery? Treating women as second-class citizens and denying them the vote? Beating children, as the bible recommends? Maybe you'd like to see the US abandon democracy in favor of a Christian theocracy and really rub it in the face of those who worked so diligently to found this country.
[sigh] People like this who can't think beyond their little fascinations and obsessions just astonish me.
Do the conservative supreme court judges care about precedent? They just wiped out abortion and they were looking at even mixed marriages and trying to ban gay marriage. They want total control, that's about it.
Not sure I get your point. MY point is that Ms. Conder is upset because blatant Christian representation is no longer an automatic part of those school board meetings, and she can't deal with that. I'm just wondering how far she wants to carry her obsession with Christian practice, as regards our government.
Something which, I have no doubt, she hasn't thought about AT ALL.
“It is to invite God into our boardroom so that he will grant you righteous guidance as you make your decisions for our children and their education. We will not be silenced and we will continue to invite God into this boardroom,” Conder said at the comment podium.
Your 'god' is an impotent loser if it needs to be 'invited in", or a vampire. Choose one.
I'm still wondering why I keep listening to the voice in my head. He hasn't been right in nearly 40 years. Of course if I hadn't listened to his constant refrain that it will all work out in the end, I'd have given up decades ago.
Well, God was asked to leave the school board meeting because he tends to interfere in learning. I mean, all his followers even tell us he doesn’t want us to seek knowledge, claims it causes people to get away from god.
I wonder why that is? Why does knowledge make people doubt god?
Personally, I think he looks a lot like George Clooney. :) Or maybe George Clooney looks a lot like him. Or....I get confused sometimes. George can have that effect on me.
The atheist was escorted out because she was persecuting the Christian. How long is this injustice going to continue. Christian’s are the most persecuted people in the world, dontcha know. This is just more violence against Christians.
But atheists are fighting to get all those nativity scenes taken down. (all of them, not just the ones illegally on public property) There's your war on the "true meaning" of Christmas. It's right there in the name.
(I really should stop channeling RWNJ. What if my brain got stuck that way?)
The sad fact is that anyone with a brain and a concern about state / church separation saw it coming ... and likely winced and thought, "Oh, crap, here we go again..."
Because he's not just omnipresent, he's omnipetulant too. If we don't extend an invite to every government meeting we hold, he flattens Kansas trailer parks with tornados.
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."
Someone needs to recite this in time with Conder's prayer:
Our pasta, who art in a colander, draining be your noodles. Thy noodle come, Thy sauce be yum, on top some grated Parmesan. Give us this day, our garlic bread, …and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trample on our lawns. And lead us not into vegetarianism, but deliver us some pizza, for thine is the meatball, the noodle, and the sauce, forever and ever. R’amen.
Feeling a bit gassy, I woulda let one rip in the middle of her prayer just to get the point across. You can’t prove it was me, you can’t eject me for involuntary bodily functions.
Conder lips off yet again and it's the atheist who gets asked to leave? PERSECUTION!
Hey, if Christians can shout that word over nothing at all, we can shout it legitimately when something like this happens. Xtians think they're the only group being persecuted in the world? They're hardly alone. 13 nations on Earth have the death penalty just for being an atheist. All where religion is the dominant majority.
Christian fucking privilege. That's what allows this religious Karen to throw her weight around be the jackass she wants to be in public...without consequences.
Conservative Christians never stop trying to mark their territory in the public square. I have no idea what she thought her prayer would accomplish. Aside from the psychological effects on the believer, prayer never affected the outcome of anything.
Oh oraxx, ye of little faith. When I was a kid I prayed to Santa for a pair of roller skates. Christmas morning, what was under the tree? A pair of roller skates! Proof positive that prayer works.
Proof that Satan (Santa) answers prayers better than God.
"He sees you when your sleeping. He knows when you're awake. He knows if you've been bad or good"
Sounds like real omnipotence to me
And it sounds like a stalker to me.
Potato Patayto.
Or a pedophile?
That's restricted for the clergy. They get mad when outsiders try to move in their territory.
Good to see you again!
I'm still around but was spending too much time online. I've been helping my son-in-law at his business, doing some projects around the house, going fishing, and currently installing a lift kit on my van. Oh, and playing Pokemon Go 😊. And camping and biking with friends. Trying to keep up with the commentariat at FA was just more than I could handle. I'm glad to see that you are still around. Still in Florida? My wife and I know several people who are moving out of state because of the new laws.
IOW you've been wasting time that could have been spent here. 😝
Still in St. Pete. If I could afford it, I would happily move to the PNW.
It annoys people who have to listen to it.
A friend of mine used to say "Wish in one hand, shit in the other, see which one fills up first." Could've just as easily said "Pray" as "Wish".
CONDER: "We will not be silenced..."
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Since when have Christians ever been silent about anything? Children being molested by clergy, maybe...
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Pretty much the same as "pro-lifers" being nowhere in sight at prisons that have the death penalty.
They were silent about the Holocaust too. Though, to be fair, that's probably because they were too busy committing it.
These assholes. It's not about tradition or religion, it's about dominance. They want you to know that they have the power and you can't stop them and they want to rub your faces in it.
A moment of silence is perfect to practice your faith and ask God quietly to be with you and the board members, but no. It doesn't scratch the supremacy itch these assholes have.
That's about the crux of the matter.
"It is time to invite God into our boardroom."
Uh, no. It is not. This is a civil, secular function. Your imaginary friend has no place in it. You live in the bible belt. Want to pray? I'm sure you can find a nice church where you can pray to your heart's content. Avail yourself of that church. At a meeting of the Berkeley County Board of Education? Just sit down and shut up about your godthing.
(BTW, "Invite God" into the boardroom? I thought your god was everywhere. And since when does an omnipotent deity require an invitation?)
He's a vampire. That's why he wants you to drink his blood. Makes you a vampire too and you can suck the life out of any room.
People have their own version of Jesus or God in their heads not based on reason, evidence or even the Bible. It is simply based on what they think. And of course God is always on their side.
For sure an omnipotent being doesn't need an invite. This is performance piety.
Since her puny god couldn't be bothered to show up and stop the Christian-run Holocaust against his Chosen People, I really don't think he has the slightest interest in this or any other board meeting.
He is either impotent or evil. Take your pick.
Why not both?
https://www.zentaur.org/memes/puny_god.gif
Never gets old.
Where's the Hulk when you need him.....
Sakkaar?
Trying to solve the mystery of time travel?
We already have, or we are doing it now, or we will do it. Damn!!! This gets confusing. 😵
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"Hulk is drunkest there is!"
(Shouldn't he have reverted to Bruce Banner when he passed out?) :)
Jews think of themselves as God’s “chosen people”. But look at the historical record. They’ve spent almost their entire existence in either captivity, exile, slavery, persecution, ghettoes, or death camps. I wonder how many of them ever wish that God had chosen some OTHER people instead.
I've posted the following before, but if you haven't seen it it's well worth a look...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI
I recall the quote from Aldous Snow in "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" to the newlywed that "God should be present in the bedroom".
Then when he was making love to his wife he blurts, "You have Christ between your thighs"
[chuckle] Phenomenal. If the school board isn't going to open their meetings with a prayer, this Karen (a.k.a. Ann Conder) is going to insist on it, because Christian!
Has anyone considered arresting her on the charge of, say, Disturbing the Peace or maybe Disruptive Behavior? I think she could stand to learn a lesson, said lesson involving a fine and maybe jail time?
Then she'd be 'persecuted' and Faux News would run stories on her for the next week.
And then the goldfish would forget.
Why would they do that? They want to inject the Christian prayers, they just can’t do it officially. So, they’ll let this ex board member shout her prayer while punishing folks who ask her to stop.
There are many perfectly good insults you could've used that don't denigrate the many very nice women named Karen.
Would love to see that happen, but it oh so seldom does.
𝐼 𝑏𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑒𝑐ℎ 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 ℎ𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑙 𝑝𝑟𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑐𝑒...
Oh, so you're into traditional and historical practices. Would that include slavery? Treating women as second-class citizens and denying them the vote? Beating children, as the bible recommends? Maybe you'd like to see the US abandon democracy in favor of a Christian theocracy and really rub it in the face of those who worked so diligently to found this country.
[sigh] People like this who can't think beyond their little fascinations and obsessions just astonish me.
Do the conservative supreme court judges care about precedent? They just wiped out abortion and they were looking at even mixed marriages and trying to ban gay marriage. They want total control, that's about it.
alitosis did what your last point describe that means that's a good precedent, right ?
Not sure I get your point. MY point is that Ms. Conder is upset because blatant Christian representation is no longer an automatic part of those school board meetings, and she can't deal with that. I'm just wondering how far she wants to carry her obsession with Christian practice, as regards our government.
Something which, I have no doubt, she hasn't thought about AT ALL.
alitosis using a quote from someone who lived before the founding of the USA in dobbs. The last part of my phrase was sarcasm.
“It is to invite God into our boardroom so that he will grant you righteous guidance as you make your decisions for our children and their education. We will not be silenced and we will continue to invite God into this boardroom,” Conder said at the comment podium.
Your 'god' is an impotent loser if it needs to be 'invited in", or a vampire. Choose one.
*We will not be silenced and we will continue to invite God into this boardroom,” Conder said at the comment podium.*
Is she referring to herself in the plural? Who is the "we?" She's only one I see being an asshole.
She was referring to herself and all the voices in her head.
That explains a lot.
I'm still wondering why I keep listening to the voice in my head. He hasn't been right in nearly 40 years. Of course if I hadn't listened to his constant refrain that it will all work out in the end, I'd have given up decades ago.
Well, God was asked to leave the school board meeting because he tends to interfere in learning. I mean, all his followers even tell us he doesn’t want us to seek knowledge, claims it causes people to get away from god.
I wonder why that is? Why does knowledge make people doubt god?
I submit a real god worth his/her salt doesn't need any human to do his/her bidding.
If it can't even show itself....
"It" doesn't exist except in the mind of believers.
Pardon the pun but you're preaching to the choir.
Now that ain't so! Ah seen him in the movies. Sometimes he looks jus lahk George Burns. An' sometimes he looks jus lahk Morgan Freeman.
So there, you heathen!
Sometimes God looks like Alanis Morissette. :)
You live, you learn...
Yeah, but she's not too bright. 5 Adams.
Personally, I think he looks a lot like George Clooney. :) Or maybe George Clooney looks a lot like him. Or....I get confused sometimes. George can have that effect on me.
Can we elect Morgan Freeman God? He seems to have his shit together.
I'd vote for him.
Both of those versions are preferable to the biblical or Koranic one.
The atheist was escorted out because she was persecuting the Christian. How long is this injustice going to continue. Christian’s are the most persecuted people in the world, dontcha know. This is just more violence against Christians.
We have only a few months before Fox news launches into the supposed war against Christmas.
Good. We can direct them to both the Massachusetts Bay Colony and Cromwell in England. Christians who actually engaged in a war of that holiday.
But atheists are fighting to get all those nativity scenes taken down. (all of them, not just the ones illegally on public property) There's your war on the "true meaning" of Christmas. It's right there in the name.
(I really should stop channeling RWNJ. What if my brain got stuck that way?)
And don't make faces at people either! What if your face got stuck that way? ;-)
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
It would likely be an improvement. :)
What?! Christian nutjob trying to force her superstition on everyone else? And authorities allowing her to do it? I didn't see that coming. /s/
The sad fact is that anyone with a brain and a concern about state / church separation saw it coming ... and likely winced and thought, "Oh, crap, here we go again..."
Yep. Hence my sarcasm.
If God’s omnipresent, why does he need to be invited anywhere?
I often said, I think that the biggest evidence against God is that his existence has to be debated.
Because he's not just omnipresent, he's omnipetulant too. If we don't extend an invite to every government meeting we hold, he flattens Kansas trailer parks with tornados.
The same reason he needs a starship?
Or soldiers.
Because he's omni-impotent, too.
Interesting, an expendable god.
Do I get a bonus when I expend a god? +wis, maybe? 😁
He will be the next member in the coming "Expendables" with Stallone.
Like the Klingon gods.
Post of the Week!
He's like Dracula, he sucks?
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."
Oops.
Performance piety. "Lookit me! Lookit me! And be awestruck by whut a goooooooooood krishchin ah am!"
Like a puppy waiting to be patted on the head for being a good little doggie.
The puppy is better at learning polite behavior.
Like Heinlein's Jockaira.
Piety is not the lessons they bring to the people, it's the mistake they bring to the lesson.
So...Jesus is saying, don't come out of the closet?
My favorite invocation: “The meeting will come to order. Let’s get to work.”
But I don't wanna go to work.
Neither does the party of hard work and enterprise. Their attitude to that is on a par with their family values.
https://www.alternet.org/katie-hobbs-slams-arizona-lawmakers/?comments=disqus
So I just need to be elected to a state legislature to get a paycheck and not have to work? Maybe it's time for a career change.
Someone needs to recite this in time with Conder's prayer:
Our pasta, who art in a colander, draining be your noodles. Thy noodle come, Thy sauce be yum, on top some grated Parmesan. Give us this day, our garlic bread, …and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trample on our lawns. And lead us not into vegetarianism, but deliver us some pizza, for thine is the meatball, the noodle, and the sauce, forever and ever. R’amen.
i AM STERALING THIS. bEFORE i DO WILL UPVOTED TI, CUZ i GOT MANNERS AND SHIT. 8^)
Feeling a bit gassy, I woulda let one rip in the middle of her prayer just to get the point across. You can’t prove it was me, you can’t eject me for involuntary bodily functions.
Of course they can. True christian bodies don't do that. They smell like roses and daffodils. No compost.
What!?! My farts smell like flowers. The corpse flower, but still a flower.
Conder lips off yet again and it's the atheist who gets asked to leave? PERSECUTION!
Hey, if Christians can shout that word over nothing at all, we can shout it legitimately when something like this happens. Xtians think they're the only group being persecuted in the world? They're hardly alone. 13 nations on Earth have the death penalty just for being an atheist. All where religion is the dominant majority.
Christian fucking privilege. That's what allows this religious Karen to throw her weight around be the jackass she wants to be in public...without consequences.
She's throwing alot of weight around...makes Chris Christie look svelte by comparison.
"I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt have no other gods more obnoxious than me."