No Justin, the rest of us don’t want to live in space (or in your demented idea of an afterlife). We like it here on earth, and that’s why we wish to take care of it.
Christians never stop trying to mark their territory. This has got to rank as one of the most absurd goals I have ever heard. What, exactly, does he think this is going to accomplish? Think of how much actual good could be done with the billions this project is likely to cost.
So ... this idiot wants to "sanctify" the lunar surface for those who follow. Swell. I wonder if he appreciates the hundreds of millions if not BILLIONS of dollars it will take to put a sizable cross into a launch vehicle and get it to the moon INTACT. Or the amount of necessary and critical supplies that could be sent to the moon, rather than that needless piece of religious dreck.
He hasn't really looked into this, has he. Well over a million dollars will get a small chunk of metal into low earth orbit. It might be done for about a trillion dollars, maybe Muskrat can give his entire fortune.
Do they not care that their symbol is so utterly violent and brutal that anyone not already blinded by it find it abhorrent. The cross is a torture device left up with its victims as a warning to others to behave as the powerful demand. It’s a terrible symbol for sacrificial love. It’s been centuries and we still don’t find it comforting. The most fundie and vociferous of believers even use it in violent attacks, burning crosses while lynching black people, it’s almost clearly an excuse to be violent against those we don’t like or understand.
I will point out that this is a group of people that regularly preach violence from their pulpit and find it completely acceptable in specific contexts. They also get offended when anyone points out their violent and brutal tendencies. Most of the Christians I've known are just flat untethered to reality in ways that should set off alarms for any reasonable person.
TLDR: No. They find their cross comforting, and don't generally understand why others don't.
“”The idea is really to find a big space advocate who hasn’t found the Lord yet.”
OMG, how many time do I have to say this. There is not a single person with a developed brain on this planet that hasn’t “found the Lord” yet. Your people have succeeded in making your religion ubiquitous all over the planet. Even the folks on North Sentinel Island and the secluded tribes in South America have heard of the gospel. They’ve rejected it. They have been rejecting it for generations. And for good reason. You just don’t get it.
“”Ideally, we would want to convert someone like Elon Musk. The world would just be a whole lot better if we could, evangelize Musk and then make him into an evangelist,” Park told the Messenger.”
That is the last thing we need. Musk, already a fucking Nazi (a descendant of the original and not a neoNazi), does not need to be an evangelist or have religion. He already has a god complex, giving him an excuse to keep his horrifically traitorous and harmful actions going because they are God ordained is just terrifying. You thought the crusades were bad, just give Elon a pulpit. Fuck that’s a terrible idea. And that goes for all the tech bros, they’re already all little deities with god complexes thinking their stupid, underperforming, faulty inventions are more important than the people they’re intended to serve.
He is a catholic, they treat the 'graven image clause' of the first commandment the same way as Scalia did with the 'militia clause' of the second amendment.
Let me see whether I've got that right - he's reading the bible on a frequent basis and somehow has never come across the commandments of feeding the hungry or tending the sick or sheltering refugees? He wants to do something to honour the 'Saviour Jesus Christ' and somehow his exhortations of looking after vulnerable people doesn't register with Mr Park?
Has anyone actually asked him what he thinks Jesus would say to him? My guess is that it would be along the lines of 'park that stupid idea of a cross on the moon, get some loaves and fishes!'
If this "person" has or can raise that kind of money, let him/her/them spend it on food or medical care for the millions Trump's measures have deprived of these basic needs. That is what would really please the God they claim to serve with their lips but not in their deed (read : greed).
Jesus said feed the hungry and heal the sick.
He said nothing about the lunatic obscenity of a giant cross on the moon.
They really don't want to do.the work their christ told them to do. They'd much rather put on some visible display of piety so that others will see them as Good Christians™.
We won’t see it not because of darkness but because the far side faces away from earth. Sure astronauts might see it but that’s a price I’m willing to pay.
Let me get this straight, the goal here is “consecrate the heavens and remind humanity that God is the King of the universe”? Seriously? A cross in an incredibly remote location that the overwhelming majority of humanity will never see is allegedly going to remind humanity about Jesus?
Look, non-Christians in the world are not going to look up and see this thing. It's entirely too far away. The people you're going to annoy are mostly scientists with a some enthusiasts who own telescopes. At this point, I'm going to insist on some honesty and call it what it is: Religious territory marking.
This is about being able to claim something other faiths can't. About pretending to be better than other religions for arbitrary reasons. Even if those last two statements weren't true, it's not about what it should be; specifically, helping humanity. All the money being spent here is on nothing more than a vanity project that, if I were God, I would be insulted by. I mean, on some level there's an implication that the moon isn't beautiful just the way it is.
Religious graffiti is still graffiti. Don't expect accolades from the rest of us for sticking your religious tagging where it doesn't belong yet again.
Okay, I’m sure I’m not the first to say it but I’ll do it anyway.
The opposition to this group should be “Don’t Cross the Moon.”
And yeah, the stupid crosses across the USA are blights on our landscape. But it amuses me whenever I pass the one on the way to my parents’ house in Tennessee that is feet away from a giant adult store. I laugh and laugh. Which one was first? I don’t know, but I can tell you the one that gets more out of being there is definitely not the cross.
God says he hates performative religious bullshit practiced by people who don't take care of the poor, don't seek a just and equitable world, do not defend the oppressed and the marginalized.
Matthew 23:23
23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith.
Translation: Jesus damns religious people who are meticulous about practicing parts of their faith while ignoring the important core of justice, mercy, and faith towards others.
Conclusion: your giant would be space idol is an blasphemous affront to your prophets and your savior because you ignore the poor, the sick, the suffering, the prisoners. You reject social justice. And you are utterly without mercy to those you deem as outsiders or apostates or heretics seeking to use the State's monopoly on Force to force them to obey your petty dictates.
Perhaps the Catholic Park should spend the money on paying restitution to all of the survivors of child sexual abuse at the hands of his clergy.
Whhhaaaaat????
Nooooo.
That would be ethical. They're already immoral, why break character?
No Justin, the rest of us don’t want to live in space (or in your demented idea of an afterlife). We like it here on earth, and that’s why we wish to take care of it.
They even want their hands on my uterus in outer space. Stay away from her, you pervert.
I got lost in space once. Then it went off the air.
I hated the way that turned into a kids' programme. Still do.
Anyway, Bill Mumy eventually made it to Babylon 5: real SF.
Irwin Allen saw the campy “Batman” and took notes. He also allowed Jonathan Harris to run wild.
He also scripted the comic book
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_in_Space_(comics)
Christians never stop trying to mark their territory. This has got to rank as one of the most absurd goals I have ever heard. What, exactly, does he think this is going to accomplish? Think of how much actual good could be done with the billions this project is likely to cost.
Exactly as commanded in Matthew 6:5!!
Oh wait…
So ... this idiot wants to "sanctify" the lunar surface for those who follow. Swell. I wonder if he appreciates the hundreds of millions if not BILLIONS of dollars it will take to put a sizable cross into a launch vehicle and get it to the moon INTACT. Or the amount of necessary and critical supplies that could be sent to the moon, rather than that needless piece of religious dreck.
Park and his pals need to find a better hobby.
𝑃𝑎𝑟𝑘 𝑠𝑎𝑖𝑑 ℎ𝑒 ℎ𝑜𝑝𝑒𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑀𝑜𝑜𝑛 𝐶𝑟𝑜𝑠𝑠 𝑐𝑎𝑛 ℎ𝑖𝑡𝑐ℎ 𝑎 𝑟𝑖𝑑𝑒 𝑜𝑛 𝑎 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑙 𝑠𝑝𝑎𝑐𝑒𝑓𝑙𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑐𝑟𝑎𝑓𝑡. 𝐻𝑒 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑐𝑜𝑠𝑡 𝑤𝑒𝑙𝑙 𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑎 𝑚𝑖𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑑𝑜𝑙𝑙𝑎𝑟𝑠.
He hasn't really looked into this, has he. Well over a million dollars will get a small chunk of metal into low earth orbit. It might be done for about a trillion dollars, maybe Muskrat can give his entire fortune.
https://spacenexus.us/guide/space-launch-cost-comparison
They aren't "calculating" the cost in dollars or lives.
I think the better word might be "gloating". (Like with most of a million purely innocent children from the continent of Africa.)
Do they not care that their symbol is so utterly violent and brutal that anyone not already blinded by it find it abhorrent. The cross is a torture device left up with its victims as a warning to others to behave as the powerful demand. It’s a terrible symbol for sacrificial love. It’s been centuries and we still don’t find it comforting. The most fundie and vociferous of believers even use it in violent attacks, burning crosses while lynching black people, it’s almost clearly an excuse to be violent against those we don’t like or understand.
I just don’t get it.
Bet if Jesus were real, he’d find all these symbols of the worst day in his earthly existence abhorrent.
JESUS: “Really, believers? THAT’S how you choose to remember me?”
I will point out that this is a group of people that regularly preach violence from their pulpit and find it completely acceptable in specific contexts. They also get offended when anyone points out their violent and brutal tendencies. Most of the Christians I've known are just flat untethered to reality in ways that should set off alarms for any reasonable person.
TLDR: No. They find their cross comforting, and don't generally understand why others don't.
“”The idea is really to find a big space advocate who hasn’t found the Lord yet.”
OMG, how many time do I have to say this. There is not a single person with a developed brain on this planet that hasn’t “found the Lord” yet. Your people have succeeded in making your religion ubiquitous all over the planet. Even the folks on North Sentinel Island and the secluded tribes in South America have heard of the gospel. They’ve rejected it. They have been rejecting it for generations. And for good reason. You just don’t get it.
“”Ideally, we would want to convert someone like Elon Musk. The world would just be a whole lot better if we could, evangelize Musk and then make him into an evangelist,” Park told the Messenger.”
That is the last thing we need. Musk, already a fucking Nazi (a descendant of the original and not a neoNazi), does not need to be an evangelist or have religion. He already has a god complex, giving him an excuse to keep his horrifically traitorous and harmful actions going because they are God ordained is just terrifying. You thought the crusades were bad, just give Elon a pulpit. Fuck that’s a terrible idea. And that goes for all the tech bros, they’re already all little deities with god complexes thinking their stupid, underperforming, faulty inventions are more important than the people they’re intended to serve.
I just can’t even.
None of the tech bros worship anything except themselves and money.
And most days the order is never even clear.
Violation of the 2nd Commandment. Fail.
He is a catholic, they treat the 'graven image clause' of the first commandment the same way as Scalia did with the 'militia clause' of the second amendment.
I had to cheat a bit to use the Protestant 10 Commandments. The Catholic version makes no mention of graven images.
The OG Jewish one sure does.
Violating stuff is their god-given right!
Let me see whether I've got that right - he's reading the bible on a frequent basis and somehow has never come across the commandments of feeding the hungry or tending the sick or sheltering refugees? He wants to do something to honour the 'Saviour Jesus Christ' and somehow his exhortations of looking after vulnerable people doesn't register with Mr Park?
Has anyone actually asked him what he thinks Jesus would say to him? My guess is that it would be along the lines of 'park that stupid idea of a cross on the moon, get some loaves and fishes!'
But then I might be mistaken.
There’s your problem : you were following Bible Jesus.
They’re following Republican Jesus.
Christianity, like everything else it touches, would make Musk worse.
How is that possible?
Musk will find a way.
If this "person" has or can raise that kind of money, let him/her/them spend it on food or medical care for the millions Trump's measures have deprived of these basic needs. That is what would really please the God they claim to serve with their lips but not in their deed (read : greed).
Jesus said feed the hungry and heal the sick.
He said nothing about the lunatic obscenity of a giant cross on the moon.
He gets his reading plan from Brother Maynard.
https://tenor.com/view/skip-bit-a-brother-monty-python-gif-15567783803317886249
They really don't want to do.the work their christ told them to do. They'd much rather put on some visible display of piety so that others will see them as Good Christians™.
Can it go on the far side of the moon so we never have to see it?
Gary Larson might object. He owns the Far Side.
Pink Floyd owns the Dark Side.
I thought that was the Sith.
How about: It just DOESN'T go at all!
Next to the secret Nazi base or closer to the alien city?
There is no far side of the moon. As a matter of fact, it's all far.
But somebody will see it. The far side of the moon is not eternally dark.
We won’t see it not because of darkness but because the far side faces away from earth. Sure astronauts might see it but that’s a price I’m willing to pay.
Astronauts are tough people.
Wow, the nannybot was offended by my comment, lol.
I looked at your comment and meme and thought “What the hell was wrong with THAT, ‘bot?”
Probably because it connected the word "vaporized" with "human". Nannybots can't pick up on nuance or tone.
I can’t even see the hidden comments when I click the arrow? What did I do? 😂 I’m also banned from commenting on NYT articles.
You have to scroll down after you click the arrow
Ah-ha! Thank you
I knew I liked you!
Looks fine to me.
Let me get this straight, the goal here is “consecrate the heavens and remind humanity that God is the King of the universe”? Seriously? A cross in an incredibly remote location that the overwhelming majority of humanity will never see is allegedly going to remind humanity about Jesus?
Look, non-Christians in the world are not going to look up and see this thing. It's entirely too far away. The people you're going to annoy are mostly scientists with a some enthusiasts who own telescopes. At this point, I'm going to insist on some honesty and call it what it is: Religious territory marking.
This is about being able to claim something other faiths can't. About pretending to be better than other religions for arbitrary reasons. Even if those last two statements weren't true, it's not about what it should be; specifically, helping humanity. All the money being spent here is on nothing more than a vanity project that, if I were God, I would be insulted by. I mean, on some level there's an implication that the moon isn't beautiful just the way it is.
Religious graffiti is still graffiti. Don't expect accolades from the rest of us for sticking your religious tagging where it doesn't belong yet again.
I'll send him $5 to stick that cross where the sun don't shine.
Okay, I’m sure I’m not the first to say it but I’ll do it anyway.
The opposition to this group should be “Don’t Cross the Moon.”
And yeah, the stupid crosses across the USA are blights on our landscape. But it amuses me whenever I pass the one on the way to my parents’ house in Tennessee that is feet away from a giant adult store. I laugh and laugh. Which one was first? I don’t know, but I can tell you the one that gets more out of being there is definitely not the cross.
“Moon the Cross”?
Isaiah 1. Amos 5.
God says he hates performative religious bullshit practiced by people who don't take care of the poor, don't seek a just and equitable world, do not defend the oppressed and the marginalized.
Matthew 23:23
23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith.
Translation: Jesus damns religious people who are meticulous about practicing parts of their faith while ignoring the important core of justice, mercy, and faith towards others.
Conclusion: your giant would be space idol is an blasphemous affront to your prophets and your savior because you ignore the poor, the sick, the suffering, the prisoners. You reject social justice. And you are utterly without mercy to those you deem as outsiders or apostates or heretics seeking to use the State's monopoly on Force to force them to obey your petty dictates.