Somehow, the word 'unbelievable' doesn't even come close to describing this level of stupidity. I'm old enough to remember the days before the Polio vaccine, and why anyone would want to return to those days is beyond me. I think a lot of people on the religious right view science as something you believe in like a religion. Ignore religion at your leisure, ignore science at your peril.
I remember getting the polio vaccine in a sugar cube at my catholic parochial school. You know, back when christians actually gave a damn about their neighbors and didn't treat science as a competing 'religion.' MAGA is nothing but a death cult.
A few years ago during covid, attorney Bradley Moss posted on twitter: "It's a good thing we didn't have the internet when we were eradicating polio and small pox." Next thing you know these moronic 'conservative' fanatics will be pushing to bring back bleeding to get rid of "ill humors."
That world was the early medieval period where extreme religious beliefs and traditions held power over all aspects of society, and people died very young and early!
When I was 9 or 10 I would take a victim of polio out for walks. I pushed his wheelchair to the end of the block and back a couple of times. His wife gave me a dime.
People who had close contact with polio or its victims understood the breakthrough that polio vaccines represented and were thankful for them. The problem with too many people these days is that if something doesn't or hasn't affected them or theirs, they don't give a damn about it and what it might do to others. That's what passes for christianity today. It was lovely of you to take that man out for walks. You were a good egg even at 9 or 10. Bravo!
There are treatments, sure. Modern medicine focuses on symptom relief, recovery, and complication management.* All of that is expensive, time consuming, and uncomfortable in various ways, a little sting from a vaccine is far less hassle.
I've definitely heard xtians justify holding blatantly unscientific beliefs by claiming that science is just another religion, implying that (for example) therefore Creationism is just as valid an idea as evolution. It's infuriating.
what a KOOK....hes old enuff to remember the pre vax the mid 1950s,polio scare...whole neighborhoods closed up....oh wait....hes a PASTOR ? ok, i REST my case .lol
"...a personal choice to decline a vaccine may also affect others, including infants who are too young to be vaccinated or people who are immunocompromised. But a person’s right to reject a vaccine supersedes those risks,...'
Yup. Sounds about christian to me. "My right to be a selfish asshole supersedes my moral duty to love my neighbor and protect the vulnerable." The fact that this 'pastor' wasn't immediately stuck by lightening is all the proof we need that his religion is bogus.
The selfishness of these pseudo-christians is disgusting. And they actually think the jesus of the buy-bull was like this? Their reading comprehension is sorely lacking.
yup,my uncle was an exec with Harper & Row,NYC,He got it just before the vax,and was an angry,embittered man for the rest of his life...cane and a brace...
Nothing this maladministration does makes me want to crawl in a hole, then pull the hole in after me, more than Brainworm Bob's handling of HHS and the shithead conspiracy theorists like this loon he's put in every leadership position.
Everything Cheetolini and his cronies do is dangerous, from his warmongering, to his genocidal animus towards trans people, to his equally genocidal abuse of immigrants, to using ICE as a secret police force, to attempting to unilaterally amend the Constitution... but it's HHS that's the silent killer. When the next pandemic hits, and it will hit, we're just not going to know about it until it's too late. The moment that ends your life could come while you're out to spend your bottom dollar on groceries, and you won't know you've even been exposed until the symptoms hit. There will be no vaccine this time, no testing, treatment will be far too expensive, and even information about what's killing you will be impossible to reliably obtain. The only options will be to hide as much as possible and hope the next virus doesn't find you, or cross your fingers and toes and pubic hairs that your immune system is up to the challenge. Anyone wanna bet the next step will be to outlaw masks? Except for the ICEstapo, of course. They get to keep wearing theirs, because 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳𝘴 are for preventing accountability, not disease transmission.
We're going to be 𝘯𝘦𝘨𝘭𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 to death, and somehow that feels even worse to me than being deliberately targeted does. Which is, yes, also a thing that is currently happening, 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘬 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘴𝘰 𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘮𝘶𝘤𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘷𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴. I am so fucking done with shitty people's shitty decisions fucking over everyone else who made better ones. This country is defective. I want my money back.
You are not alone, and we will stand together and fight this! There are many ways to fight, from coming to this bog to voice an argument, to protests, and even armed conflict (that is coming, although I hope not). Together, we will defeat this regime, it will take time, it will have setbacks; we will make this regime as short as possible with as little harm that we can do.
STAY STRONG EVERYONE, THIS FUCKING WINTER WILL END! A BRIGHTER AND BETTER SPRING WILL COME!
Milhoan sounds like one of those people who says, "Hey I'm feeling much better now so I can quit taking my antipsychotic meds!" The the level of irresponsibility represented by his statement is positively staggering. He would take immunology back over 70 years, and erase the enormous strides we have taken to eliminate the kind of diseases that were all too prevalent in the first half of the 20th century.
We can thank him and RFKJr for the measles outbreaks that are currently plaguing the United States. That ball is in your court, fellas.
Well, after the outbreak Mr. 'proud of my Brainworms' caused in Samoa, he has been dying to do the same here. Gym rats are weird, they think because they go to the gym and push some weights around, it means they will never get sick. As if the immune system cares about such nonsense.
This abhorrent and stupid guy needs to go to stay at a clinic in any developing world country and learn how poor folk there will walk all day in tropical heat, borrow money and then queue for hours in the sun to get their baby/small child vaccinated against preventable childhood illnesses. The same diseases that have already caused the deaths of all their slightly older siblings who've died under 5yo. These parents are naturally desperate for this latest child to stay alive. I read of a Nepali clinic claiming lots of conversions - but the truth was that it offered free TB vaccinations and parents who'd lost all their previous babies to the disease, came there and professed conversion so their child got that jab and could live longer than 5 years. I'm sure I'd probably have done the same in those circumstances. Miloan presumably has kids, g/kids or nephews and nieces, good to know he thinks they're expendable.
We were fighting a global war against a deadly virus, with herd immunity trough vaccinations as our only valid option. What is your name for someone who knowingly helps the enemy slip through our defense lines?
I call them a goddamm,jeseezyboy sucks a dead donkey’s dick, brain dead, inbred, bonehead, smeghead Trumpyboy supporting Christian asshole! Someone else would call them traitors to humanity!
ICE again. If I didn't think it would play into Trump's hand, I'd say mobilize the Minnesota National Guard to defend the state against ICE. This is getting out of hand very damned fast.
Haven't seen the video- don't have the stomach for it, today- but it would surprise me not at all if he was only armed 𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘵𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘰𝘶𝘴𝘭𝘺. The way these ICEstapo thugs lie about everything, everywhere, every time they open their mouths, the chances of them 𝘯𝘰𝘵 carrying a few goodies to plant at the scene of their latest crime rate somewhere between "snowball in hell" and "porcine aviation."
Even if he had a weapon, the way I heard it went down was six of them knocked him down and beat him and while he was already subdued, they shot him. He was not a threat but still they shot him. Just as Renee was not a threat when they shot her.
Walz’ talk with Trump about ICE not being trained is that Ross (Good’s murderer) is an over decade long ICE agent with -lefty of training, not one of those newbie Jan 6er just trying to get a bonus 47 days trained idiots. This man was part of the unit that was investigated for doing exactly what he did, put themselves in front of fleeing vehicles to justify shooting the drivers. He was trained. We don’t wan to train fascists, we remove fascists, we abolish ICE. While he is in a difficult position, Walz is failing us all for harping on training.
Anyone who thought the age of the ubiquitous cell phone camera would prevent the atrocities of yesteryear from being repeated was sadly fucking mistaken. They lie right over video evidence contradicting the lie, and their base still believes it. Orwell was a fucking prophet.
So, I watched it anyway, which is a decision I'm already regretting, because... holy fucking shit. This was even more blatant than Renee Good's murder. They straight-up executed the man while he was lying on the ground. 𝘈𝘧𝘵𝘦𝘳 disarming him, like everyone's saying. ICE has gone right past Gestapo and arrived at Death Squad. We have death squads now.
No, he actually had a permit for his weapon which they took off him just before they shot him. He was perfectly legal and within his rights - in Minneapolis at least.
May I suggest the audiobook “How to talk to your cat about gun safety, abstinence, drugs, satanism and other dangers that threaten their nine lives”. It is really funny, especially the person reading the book really gets into it!
It might brighten your day a little, especially if you love cats! I love dogs, cats, even ferrets.
I knew someone who had a pet skunk (scent glands removed of course). When the Jehovah Witness came to that house in the summer time, he would let the skunk go out by the dog door, well you can imagine the reaction that caused. The Jehovah Witness stop coming to that house because they thought they would get sprayed! So much for religious devotion to spreading the word of god!😁
Honestly, if he really was armed (𝘣𝘦𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘦 being shot, that is), then the left needs to be asking that question too. Regardless of whether or not you've got a license, 𝘯𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 carry a weapon to a protest or demonstration. All it does is give the jackboots a convenient excuse to murder you, and they're already looking for one just because you're there.
You get an iron lung, you get an iron lung, you get a.....hhhhh, sorry but your claim to life saving medicine has been denied due to pre existing conditions
Somehow, the word 'unbelievable' doesn't even come close to describing this level of stupidity. I'm old enough to remember the days before the Polio vaccine, and why anyone would want to return to those days is beyond me. I think a lot of people on the religious right view science as something you believe in like a religion. Ignore religion at your leisure, ignore science at your peril.
I remember getting the polio vaccine in a sugar cube at my catholic parochial school. You know, back when christians actually gave a damn about their neighbors and didn't treat science as a competing 'religion.' MAGA is nothing but a death cult.
MAGA isn't a death cult.
They're a death to everyone else cult.
A plague cult.
Definitely.
I don't mind them self-selecting out of the gene pool. Not only does it help rid the pool of trash, they find their purpose in life:
To serve as an example of what not to do.
Let's Go, Darwin!
Darwin?
https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th/id/OIP.Bz95BBlICV262PUz2JoWYAHaHq?rs=1&pid=ImgDetMain&o=7&rm=3
Unfortunately, a whole bunch of innocent people would die also. That the tragedy!
Yes, the innocent children, whose only crime was being born to idiots, will be the collateral damage.
All religions are a threat to humanity!
I remember. I asked if I could have another one...
And comparing the smallpox sore on my arm to other kids.
Imagine the world these "conservatives" and fanatics want to resurrect- one jn which polio, smallpox, etc are epidemic.
A few years ago during covid, attorney Bradley Moss posted on twitter: "It's a good thing we didn't have the internet when we were eradicating polio and small pox." Next thing you know these moronic 'conservative' fanatics will be pushing to bring back bleeding to get rid of "ill humors."
I wouldn’t be surprise if Christian fascist would advocate for that!
Science saves lives, religion kills.
That world was the early medieval period where extreme religious beliefs and traditions held power over all aspects of society, and people died very young and early!
They really want the world to end, to bring back their imaginary friend.
I got the Salk vaccine that was a series of three shots. I got the Sabin vaccine on the sugar cubes later.
Ahh, the good days when parents had the sense to get their kids vaccinated. Sigh.....
Everyone knew someone who contracted polio. The fear was real and legitimate.
When I was 9 or 10 I would take a victim of polio out for walks. I pushed his wheelchair to the end of the block and back a couple of times. His wife gave me a dime.
People who had close contact with polio or its victims understood the breakthrough that polio vaccines represented and were thankful for them. The problem with too many people these days is that if something doesn't or hasn't affected them or theirs, they don't give a damn about it and what it might do to others. That's what passes for christianity today. It was lovely of you to take that man out for walks. You were a good egg even at 9 or 10. Bravo!
The inability to empathize with anything a person isn't being affected by is a defining characteristic of conservatism.
Which is becoming increasingly hard to tell from malignant narcissism.
I mean, they DID classify empathy as a sin, after all.
"Conservative" at one time meant almost the opposite of what it has mutated into today ("libertarian"/MAGA).
That's why Lincoln is historically misclassified as a "Republican." Many other relevant examples are available.
Just as a reminder, 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒓𝒆 𝒊𝒔 𝑵𝑶 𝒄𝒖𝒓𝒆 𝒇𝒐𝒓 𝒑𝒐𝒍𝒊𝒐.
There are treatments, sure. Modern medicine focuses on symptom relief, recovery, and complication management.* All of that is expensive, time consuming, and uncomfortable in various ways, a little sting from a vaccine is far less hassle.
* Ye Olde Wiki Article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio#Treatment
We must all be around the same age group. You know you are getting old when you can remember getting the sugar cube vaccines and black and white TV.
of course,I'll never forget our 'new' 14 in BW "Dumont" tv
I've definitely heard xtians justify holding blatantly unscientific beliefs by claiming that science is just another religion, implying that (for example) therefore Creationism is just as valid an idea as evolution. It's infuriating.
They can't see anything in terms other than blind faith and dogma.
wow ! you just described the whole state of SC
what a KOOK....hes old enuff to remember the pre vax the mid 1950s,polio scare...whole neighborhoods closed up....oh wait....hes a PASTOR ? ok, i REST my case .lol
Yes, that is exactly what they think.
"...a personal choice to decline a vaccine may also affect others, including infants who are too young to be vaccinated or people who are immunocompromised. But a person’s right to reject a vaccine supersedes those risks,...'
Yup. Sounds about christian to me. "My right to be a selfish asshole supersedes my moral duty to love my neighbor and protect the vulnerable." The fact that this 'pastor' wasn't immediately stuck by lightening is all the proof we need that his religion is bogus.
^^^^THIS ^^^^
The selfishness of these pseudo-christians is disgusting. And they actually think the jesus of the buy-bull was like this? Their reading comprehension is sorely lacking.
I think you give 'em too much credit, Jen. They only pound their buy-bulls; they've never cracked the spine on one.
👆👆👆👆🎯
"I don't like established science..."
Then why the hell do you allegedly practice medicine? Don't like science? Then get out of the business and stick to selling snakeoil full time.
Needs to look up the word 'established', too.
"Science is only what I observe," he said.
Can I send my mother who has post-polio syndrome over to kick his butt, so he can observe that?
Never saw one of my now deceased parents walk since they had polio a year before the vaccine came out and then almost 60 years of post polio.
My wife's mother had polio as a child, and spent the rest of her life in a wheelchair until she died of post-polio syndrome.
My mother was very lucky.
yup,my uncle was an exec with Harper & Row,NYC,He got it just before the vax,and was an angry,embittered man for the rest of his life...cane and a brace...
Don't cover your mouth when you cough! You're depriving others of an improved immune system.
Stop signs should be optional. All traffic laws actually, they just get in the ways of freedom of movement and create traffic jams.
Seat belts? Optional.
Sitting during landings should be optional.
Circuit breakers are annoying, get rid of them.
Fire alarms never saved my life. They just shriek every time something burns in the oven.
Get rid of ground wires, they're just unnecessary costs foisted on us by Big Cabling.
Airport security is just a time waster.
Uranium is a right.
Bring back leaded gas.
And lead paint.
I have to respect Boeing, they proved that you can cut costs on extraneous things.
Stockton Rush (OceanGate) was right, "Fuck safety, it just gets in the way of innovation."
How am I going to build up an immunity to iocane powder when it's outlawed?
Washing your hands ... well, too many people don't anyway.
Hand-washing? See Mark 7, 1-5 (repeated in Matthew 15) followed by a very unconvincing reply but if it's good enough for Jesus.....
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/638e8914f74c6220fda3856223372c16b5e80c5af09e46833fe1778de2da9796.jpg
That's about right. More billionaires need to do their own research on OceanGate.
Nothing this maladministration does makes me want to crawl in a hole, then pull the hole in after me, more than Brainworm Bob's handling of HHS and the shithead conspiracy theorists like this loon he's put in every leadership position.
Everything Cheetolini and his cronies do is dangerous, from his warmongering, to his genocidal animus towards trans people, to his equally genocidal abuse of immigrants, to using ICE as a secret police force, to attempting to unilaterally amend the Constitution... but it's HHS that's the silent killer. When the next pandemic hits, and it will hit, we're just not going to know about it until it's too late. The moment that ends your life could come while you're out to spend your bottom dollar on groceries, and you won't know you've even been exposed until the symptoms hit. There will be no vaccine this time, no testing, treatment will be far too expensive, and even information about what's killing you will be impossible to reliably obtain. The only options will be to hide as much as possible and hope the next virus doesn't find you, or cross your fingers and toes and pubic hairs that your immune system is up to the challenge. Anyone wanna bet the next step will be to outlaw masks? Except for the ICEstapo, of course. They get to keep wearing theirs, because 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳𝘴 are for preventing accountability, not disease transmission.
We're going to be 𝘯𝘦𝘨𝘭𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 to death, and somehow that feels even worse to me than being deliberately targeted does. Which is, yes, also a thing that is currently happening, 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘬 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘴𝘰 𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘮𝘶𝘤𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘷𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴. I am so fucking done with shitty people's shitty decisions fucking over everyone else who made better ones. This country is defective. I want my money back.
You are not alone, and we will stand together and fight this! There are many ways to fight, from coming to this bog to voice an argument, to protests, and even armed conflict (that is coming, although I hope not). Together, we will defeat this regime, it will take time, it will have setbacks; we will make this regime as short as possible with as little harm that we can do.
STAY STRONG EVERYONE, THIS FUCKING WINTER WILL END! A BRIGHTER AND BETTER SPRING WILL COME!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYeVQzTVyLk
It sounds like Stephen King's "the Stand" Captain Tripps virus.
Milhoan sounds like one of those people who says, "Hey I'm feeling much better now so I can quit taking my antipsychotic meds!" The the level of irresponsibility represented by his statement is positively staggering. He would take immunology back over 70 years, and erase the enormous strides we have taken to eliminate the kind of diseases that were all too prevalent in the first half of the 20th century.
We can thank him and RFKJr for the measles outbreaks that are currently plaguing the United States. That ball is in your court, fellas.
Well, after the outbreak Mr. 'proud of my Brainworms' caused in Samoa, he has been dying to do the same here. Gym rats are weird, they think because they go to the gym and push some weights around, it means they will never get sick. As if the immune system cares about such nonsense.
This abhorrent and stupid guy needs to go to stay at a clinic in any developing world country and learn how poor folk there will walk all day in tropical heat, borrow money and then queue for hours in the sun to get their baby/small child vaccinated against preventable childhood illnesses. The same diseases that have already caused the deaths of all their slightly older siblings who've died under 5yo. These parents are naturally desperate for this latest child to stay alive. I read of a Nepali clinic claiming lots of conversions - but the truth was that it offered free TB vaccinations and parents who'd lost all their previous babies to the disease, came there and professed conversion so their child got that jab and could live longer than 5 years. I'm sure I'd probably have done the same in those circumstances. Miloan presumably has kids, g/kids or nephews and nieces, good to know he thinks they're expendable.
I willing to bet this pastor sees women and children as property and an extension of his existence, and not as individuals with rights of their own!
That's a given.
Poor victim Kirk Milhoan screaming, “My body my choice!”
All of these looney tunes (anti-abortionists as well) should have no place in medicine or near any hospital, period.
Please tell Milhoan that medical science is built on facts, not opinions. And certainly not Christian evangelical opinions!
I suspect he's too busy being in love with the sound of his own voice.
A Pediatric Cardiologist who makes vaccines optional is a quack. Do not risk your children with quackery.
This asshole can fuck right off.
There’s the problem right there. They keep reproducing..
...and propagating their ignorance to create the next generation of gullibles.
We were fighting a global war against a deadly virus, with herd immunity trough vaccinations as our only valid option. What is your name for someone who knowingly helps the enemy slip through our defense lines?
Ummm ... starts with T, ends with R, and has "RAITO" in the middle? 😁
Trump supporter?
A dead Trump supporters if the fuckwits don’t get vaccinated!
I call them a goddamm,jeseezyboy sucks a dead donkey’s dick, brain dead, inbred, bonehead, smeghead Trumpyboy supporting Christian asshole! Someone else would call them traitors to humanity!
As he is pro-choice about vaccines, I have every confidence that he is pro-choice about abortion as well.
You made a funny!😄
If this pastor is as pro choice on abortion as a lion is pro vegan in its meal choice! 😇
OT: Man shot and killed by federal agents in Minneapolis. DHS says he was armed
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/ice-minneapolis-shooting-01-24-26
ICE again. If I didn't think it would play into Trump's hand, I'd say mobilize the Minnesota National Guard to defend the state against ICE. This is getting out of hand very damned fast.
Haven't seen the video- don't have the stomach for it, today- but it would surprise me not at all if he was only armed 𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘵𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘰𝘶𝘴𝘭𝘺. The way these ICEstapo thugs lie about everything, everywhere, every time they open their mouths, the chances of them 𝘯𝘰𝘵 carrying a few goodies to plant at the scene of their latest crime rate somewhere between "snowball in hell" and "porcine aviation."
Even if he had a weapon, the way I heard it went down was six of them knocked him down and beat him and while he was already subdued, they shot him. He was not a threat but still they shot him. Just as Renee was not a threat when they shot her.
Walz’ talk with Trump about ICE not being trained is that Ross (Good’s murderer) is an over decade long ICE agent with -lefty of training, not one of those newbie Jan 6er just trying to get a bonus 47 days trained idiots. This man was part of the unit that was investigated for doing exactly what he did, put themselves in front of fleeing vehicles to justify shooting the drivers. He was trained. We don’t wan to train fascists, we remove fascists, we abolish ICE. While he is in a difficult position, Walz is failing us all for harping on training.
Anyone who thought the age of the ubiquitous cell phone camera would prevent the atrocities of yesteryear from being repeated was sadly fucking mistaken. They lie right over video evidence contradicting the lie, and their base still believes it. Orwell was a fucking prophet.
So, I watched it anyway, which is a decision I'm already regretting, because... holy fucking shit. This was even more blatant than Renee Good's murder. They straight-up executed the man while he was lying on the ground. 𝘈𝘧𝘵𝘦𝘳 disarming him, like everyone's saying. ICE has gone right past Gestapo and arrived at Death Squad. We have death squads now.
Yeah.
I'ma go lie down.
No, he actually had a permit for his weapon which they took off him just before they shot him. He was perfectly legal and within his rights - in Minneapolis at least.
May I suggest the audiobook “How to talk to your cat about gun safety, abstinence, drugs, satanism and other dangers that threaten their nine lives”. It is really funny, especially the person reading the book really gets into it!
It might brighten your day a little, especially if you love cats! I love dogs, cats, even ferrets.
I knew someone who had a pet skunk (scent glands removed of course). When the Jehovah Witness came to that house in the summer time, he would let the skunk go out by the dog door, well you can imagine the reaction that caused. The Jehovah Witness stop coming to that house because they thought they would get sprayed! So much for religious devotion to spreading the word of god!😁
He had a concealed carry permit from what I read. All the trump 2nd amendment humpers will now ask why he was armed.
Honestly, if he really was armed (𝘣𝘦𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘦 being shot, that is), then the left needs to be asking that question too. Regardless of whether or not you've got a license, 𝘯𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 carry a weapon to a protest or demonstration. All it does is give the jackboots a convenient excuse to murder you, and they're already looking for one just because you're there.
They took his gun away and then shot him.
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They'll spin it somehow – even though they disarmed him before they shot him.
He didn't need a reason to exercise his God-given right to bear arms.
Ramen
You get an iron lung, you get an iron lung, you get a.....hhhhh, sorry but your claim to life saving medicine has been denied due to pre existing conditions