The people who would break down the barriers between church and state always seem to operate under the assumption it will be their tribe calling the shots for everyone else. They should be imagining the tribe they dislike most having control over their lives because that will definitely be someone’s reality. If the preachers ever acquired all the power they evidently think they’re entitled to, they would begin killing one another within a week over doctrinal errors.
In other words, if everything the Christian Fundamentalists have hope for all comes true, then they will end up at each other's throat over whether Methodist, Lutheran, Orthodox, Protestant or Catholic prayers are to be said over the intercom, whether the Latin, KJV, Catholic Bibles or the Protestant Bible are to be read, and so on.
I'm not convinced that any of them have that much imagination, or if they do, they're so full of themselves that they'll think, "Aaaah, we'll come out on top, sure!"
Such people don't know much about previous decisions, I suspect.
She's dodging her responsibility as a jurist, probably because she's still dealing with the whole religion versus secular government crap (which she damned well SHOULDN'T be doing at this level!).
Frankly, I don't think she belongs on the Court, but then, neither do Alito, Kavanaugh, or Gorsuch.
I hate all of them, but Barrett who replaced RBG takes home the prize for me. Media keeps trying to paint her as “not so extreme” and America’s sweetheart. She indicated in a CBS interview recently that certain emergency contraceptives and IUDs should be left up to the states as well. Absolute demon.
Her god itself is a demon. It drowned everry living thing on earth in its book. Innumerble mas murders dot its book. Add in filicide, infanticide, plagues, famine, pestilence and sundry other atrocities against man and you have a terrorist. Then jesus comes along and claims eternal life so it can burn people for trillions of septillions of eons to complete the total terrorism del.
And great point. While Amy works through her internal struggles at the highest level, countless lives will be altered, ruined, or result in death. She’s a true believer and she’s mentally ill.
Religion ha shown itself to be a mental illness. The wy they caterwaul about needing to control all lives becuse their ghosts demand it, their cannibalism, and their fetish for raping kids prove it..
I kinda welcome a non-Christian religious test case. Because this is always the sticking point: conservative Christians want state support for their religion, but no others.
I hope the school gets rejected, of course, on the grounds that the state constitution says "No public money or property shall ever be appropriated, applied, donated, or used, directly or indirectly, for the use, benefit, or support of any sect, church, denomination, or system of religion..." What could be more blatantly obvious than "[we teach] Jewish religious learning and ethical development" = public money used to support a system of religion. But the precedent it would set would - hopefully - apply equally to 'we teach Christian learning" in future cases.
When Child Killah got kicked to the curb, I was under the impression that Oklahoma was finally putiing a stop to these attempts at child grooming. I may have celebrated a bit too soon.
I took one look at Peter Douche..., er Deutsch and thought "Not a drag queen."
It can be both. In my opinion, it's the latter. The conservative idea that taxpayers should fund religious education is just one step away from the conservative idea that all taxpayers funded education should be religious. If the kids are leaving the faith, they won't submit to their control. They so desperately want to force that conformity and obedience that they will make the faith mandatory.
Since the new school in question is Jewish in nature, it'll be interesting to see that the biggest objection to it will come from Judeo-Christians pissed off that someone's trying to muscle in on "their" territory.
One third will be silent. One third will defend it because of the "See we're not really Nazis" vibe of "Judeo-Christian". One third will remember the Establishment Clause, but with the wrong motivation.
Charter schools in general are a threat to public schools. They are worse than vouchers as they are run for profit and funnel money from the public schools and have a habit of shutting down on a whim, usually in the middle of the school year. This leaves the students and their families scrambling to get placed in a public school, which is now underfunded more than before.
Some charter schools have done well and even lasted, but there are so many that don’t that we shouldn’t be supporting the trend. If your local public school has issues, put in the effort and money to fix them, don’t cut them off and run away. That’s your community, that’s your school. Make it a priority.
Now, the religious charter school, Catholic or Jewish or whatever, is fully unconstitutional and those that are trying to say they’re not are lying. Even the SCROTUS inJustices. You bet when this school doesn’t get approved, either by the state education board or by the state Supreme Court, there will be accusations of antisemitism. Mark my words. Nevermind the Catholic school didn’t fly. Nevermind there has never been a religious public school. Nevermind the constitution. The right (not necessarily Jewish people in general, and mostly the MAGA evangelicals that are screaming antisemitism at anyone who isn’t kissing Bibi Netanyahu’s ass) will pretend not allowing a Jewish anything, no matter the context and legal concerns, is worse than the Holocaust.
My only hope is that once we deal with the current reign of fascism, we can setup the country with the actual, incontrovertible, undeniable rules surrounding human rights and church state separation. (I am certain that we won’t, but I would hope we make it better and more clear in some ways)
Sometimes I suspect that those who want public funding for religious schools could face a 9-0 Supreme Court ruling AGAINST THEM and figure, "Well, we haven't tried THIS yet, so let's go one more time."
The crazy lawsuits won't stop until (or if) 6-3 becomes 4-5. Right now conservative legal groups are getting paid by conservative donors to start all these crazy low-probability lawsuits, just for the chance that the most conservative SCOTUS in decades will decide to hear it and rule in their favor.
That should say it all. Catholic school. Public funding. Just how many times do we have to cite the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment before it's going to sink in on these guys? Yeah, yeah, I know, they want to create their own interpretation of the Constitution to suit them, which doesn't change the fact that public monies should NOT go to religious organizations, full-freaking-stop.
This character Deutsch seems to want to follow in the footsteps of Ryan Walters. Good. He can follow Walters right out of this whole business. The children of the Sooner State deserve better.
Maybe it should be posted in legible modern English* in every religious building and space dedicated to worship.
* Posters shouldn't be smaller than 12 feet on 6 and hung on a conspicuous wall in the main worship srea with the text visible by the audience. Written from left to right, with every word and letter in the right order, in Times New Roman or Arial font, the letters can't be smaller than 9x3 inches, black on a white background.
Gotta dash. Short broadcasting morning. I'm heading to the VA for a procedure I'm not looking forward to. A bladder scope that involves a camera being inserted into Mr. Happy. In the words of Dr. McCoy: "Oh, joy."
Tech took pix using my phone so I could show friends and family. My daughter sid ugly, but I said I was rather attached to it. That was when they found the aggressive cncer and ssid it had to go.
What I am afraid of is for deutsch to use the antisemitic argument if his project is refused. A reversal of Simone Veil* being chosen as the figurehead for the legalization oof abortion in 1975.
* At that time, legal abortion was likened to nazi death camps. Mme Simone Veil being a survivor, it couldn't be used against her.
Deutsch can scream "antisemitic" all he wants. Doesn't matter if the school is Catholic, Jewish, or Scientology. Public funds to religious organizations of ANY kind is a no-no, and if Deutsch doesn't want to acknowledge that, he can get it rubbed in his nose in court!
That doesn't mean he won't use it as pretext to make another hole in the wall separating church from state. The supreme corrupt injustices (alitosis and 3/5th especially) could even use this as an argument to say "See ? We don't favor christianity".
Oh, of COURSE they don't favor Christianity (Oh, BER-ROTHER!), but then neither Christianity, nor Judaism are mentioned in the Constitution. "RELIGION" is the catchall work employed, and if SCOTUS doesn't know that, they damned well should!
I can't see that claim working at any level. The AG fought against and the State Supreme Court ruled against St. Isidores. So if they likewise fight against and rule against this school, it will be giving the Jewish organization's request the exact same outcome as the Catholic organization's request.
If the Supremes were to take this case up and rule in their favor, nobody's going to be complaining about antisemitism then, either. Finally, if the Supremes don't take it up, there is no other court they could appeal to using an 'antisemitism' claim.
Not that logic would stop the lawyers from making antisemitism claims in their PR, but I really can't see how it would hold water as a legal complaint.
The people who would break down the barriers between church and state always seem to operate under the assumption it will be their tribe calling the shots for everyone else. They should be imagining the tribe they dislike most having control over their lives because that will definitely be someone’s reality. If the preachers ever acquired all the power they evidently think they’re entitled to, they would begin killing one another within a week over doctrinal errors.
In other words, if everything the Christian Fundamentalists have hope for all comes true, then they will end up at each other's throat over whether Methodist, Lutheran, Orthodox, Protestant or Catholic prayers are to be said over the intercom, whether the Latin, KJV, Catholic Bibles or the Protestant Bible are to be read, and so on.
Count on it.
There is precedent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_nativist_riots
I'm not convinced that any of them have that much imagination, or if they do, they're so full of themselves that they'll think, "Aaaah, we'll come out on top, sure!"
Such people don't know much about previous decisions, I suspect.
From your mouth to the god-I-don’t-believe-in’s auditory organ.
𝐵𝑢𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑈.𝑆. 𝑆𝑢𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑚𝑒 𝐶𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑡 𝑖𝑠 𝑎 𝑡ℎ𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑠𝑛’𝑡 𝑔𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑤𝑎𝑦.
That's why they're trying again. They want a case where the Handmaid won't recuse herself, and get a 5-4 ruling in their favor
"They want a case where the Handmaid won't recuse herself"
Well, if someone was to propose a Jewish school, she wouldn't have to, would she.
Or a Madrassa?
Amy Conme Barrett at your service.
Amy Coney Barrett recused herself, calling the debate over religious charter schools an “unanswered question.”
Wrong Amy. The answer is clear. You’re a demon.
She's dodging her responsibility as a jurist, probably because she's still dealing with the whole religion versus secular government crap (which she damned well SHOULDN'T be doing at this level!).
Frankly, I don't think she belongs on the Court, but then, neither do Alito, Kavanaugh, or Gorsuch.
I hate all of them, but Barrett who replaced RBG takes home the prize for me. Media keeps trying to paint her as “not so extreme” and America’s sweetheart. She indicated in a CBS interview recently that certain emergency contraceptives and IUDs should be left up to the states as well. Absolute demon.
Her god itself is a demon. It drowned everry living thing on earth in its book. Innumerble mas murders dot its book. Add in filicide, infanticide, plagues, famine, pestilence and sundry other atrocities against man and you have a terrorist. Then jesus comes along and claims eternal life so it can burn people for trillions of septillions of eons to complete the total terrorism del.
And great point. While Amy works through her internal struggles at the highest level, countless lives will be altered, ruined, or result in death. She’s a true believer and she’s mentally ill.
Religion ha shown itself to be a mental illness. The wy they caterwaul about needing to control all lives becuse their ghosts demand it, their cannibalism, and their fetish for raping kids prove it..
I kinda welcome a non-Christian religious test case. Because this is always the sticking point: conservative Christians want state support for their religion, but no others.
I hope the school gets rejected, of course, on the grounds that the state constitution says "No public money or property shall ever be appropriated, applied, donated, or used, directly or indirectly, for the use, benefit, or support of any sect, church, denomination, or system of religion..." What could be more blatantly obvious than "[we teach] Jewish religious learning and ethical development" = public money used to support a system of religion. But the precedent it would set would - hopefully - apply equally to 'we teach Christian learning" in future cases.
Beat me to the thought as I was typing it.
When Child Killah got kicked to the curb, I was under the impression that Oklahoma was finally putiing a stop to these attempts at child grooming. I may have celebrated a bit too soon.
I took one look at Peter Douche..., er Deutsch and thought "Not a drag queen."
𝐸𝑖𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝐹𝑎𝑟𝑙𝑒𝑦 ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑛𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑔𝑖𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡𝑠𝑜𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑟 ℎ𝑒’𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑚𝑖𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑒𝑟𝑣𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑎 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡𝑎𝑥𝑝𝑎𝑦𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑓𝑢𝑛𝑑 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑖𝑛𝑑𝑜𝑐𝑡𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑎𝑛𝑑 ℎ𝑒’𝑙𝑙 𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑛 ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑟𝑦 𝑜𝑝𝑒𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑑𝑜𝑜𝑟.
It can be both. In my opinion, it's the latter. The conservative idea that taxpayers should fund religious education is just one step away from the conservative idea that all taxpayers funded education should be religious. If the kids are leaving the faith, they won't submit to their control. They so desperately want to force that conformity and obedience that they will make the faith mandatory.
Since the new school in question is Jewish in nature, it'll be interesting to see that the biggest objection to it will come from Judeo-Christians pissed off that someone's trying to muscle in on "their" territory.
One third will be silent. One third will defend it because of the "See we're not really Nazis" vibe of "Judeo-Christian". One third will remember the Establishment Clause, but with the wrong motivation.
We get Jewish schools here in the UK, they don't like having to follow national standards - https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2025/11/faith-school-not-teaching-pupils-about-puberty-ofsted-finds
Muscling in on Jeebs ain't gonna fly in Oklahomastan.
Charter schools in general are a threat to public schools. They are worse than vouchers as they are run for profit and funnel money from the public schools and have a habit of shutting down on a whim, usually in the middle of the school year. This leaves the students and their families scrambling to get placed in a public school, which is now underfunded more than before.
Some charter schools have done well and even lasted, but there are so many that don’t that we shouldn’t be supporting the trend. If your local public school has issues, put in the effort and money to fix them, don’t cut them off and run away. That’s your community, that’s your school. Make it a priority.
Now, the religious charter school, Catholic or Jewish or whatever, is fully unconstitutional and those that are trying to say they’re not are lying. Even the SCROTUS inJustices. You bet when this school doesn’t get approved, either by the state education board or by the state Supreme Court, there will be accusations of antisemitism. Mark my words. Nevermind the Catholic school didn’t fly. Nevermind there has never been a religious public school. Nevermind the constitution. The right (not necessarily Jewish people in general, and mostly the MAGA evangelicals that are screaming antisemitism at anyone who isn’t kissing Bibi Netanyahu’s ass) will pretend not allowing a Jewish anything, no matter the context and legal concerns, is worse than the Holocaust.
My only hope is that once we deal with the current reign of fascism, we can setup the country with the actual, incontrovertible, undeniable rules surrounding human rights and church state separation. (I am certain that we won’t, but I would hope we make it better and more clear in some ways)
Oh, for fuck's sake. These fanatics can't take NO! for an answer.
I've equated xtians with date rapists. They're doing nothing to dissuade me from that view.
Sometimes I suspect that those who want public funding for religious schools could face a 9-0 Supreme Court ruling AGAINST THEM and figure, "Well, we haven't tried THIS yet, so let's go one more time."
Sisyphus got NOTHING on these dips!
Rapists, period. They don't care if the encounter started out as consensual, they will try to force themselves any way they can.
Their obsession with indoctrinating children speaks directly to just how weak their message really is.
The crazy lawsuits won't stop until (or if) 6-3 becomes 4-5. Right now conservative legal groups are getting paid by conservative donors to start all these crazy low-probability lawsuits, just for the chance that the most conservative SCOTUS in decades will decide to hear it and rule in their favor.
𝑇ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑎 𝐶𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑐 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑝𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑐 𝑓𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔, 𝑠𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑣𝑒𝑠 𝑎 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙.
That should say it all. Catholic school. Public funding. Just how many times do we have to cite the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment before it's going to sink in on these guys? Yeah, yeah, I know, they want to create their own interpretation of the Constitution to suit them, which doesn't change the fact that public monies should NOT go to religious organizations, full-freaking-stop.
This character Deutsch seems to want to follow in the footsteps of Ryan Walters. Good. He can follow Walters right out of this whole business. The children of the Sooner State deserve better.
Maybe it should be posted in legible modern English* in every religious building and space dedicated to worship.
* Posters shouldn't be smaller than 12 feet on 6 and hung on a conspicuous wall in the main worship srea with the text visible by the audience. Written from left to right, with every word and letter in the right order, in Times New Roman or Arial font, the letters can't be smaller than 9x3 inches, black on a white background.
I like how you think. Here's a sample:
https://ibb.co/wrFvQ1nc
I tried to cover all the bases this time.
And you did a pretty fair job of that, if I may say so! 😁
My new school,. St. Mary's of the Wire. Our school building is like our God, nowhere to be found.
Electricity works in mysterious ways.
LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!
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Gotta dash. Short broadcasting morning. I'm heading to the VA for a procedure I'm not looking forward to. A bladder scope that involves a camera being inserted into Mr. Happy. In the words of Dr. McCoy: "Oh, joy."
Be back when I can.
Dr. McCoy would have a pill for that.
Get there safe. Get home safe.
Been there. To me it was more embarrassing than anything else :^)
It's better than what happens to Mr Happy in Headline news ".
Smile and say Jeez!
Tech took pix using my phone so I could show friends and family. My daughter sid ugly, but I said I was rather attached to it. That was when they found the aggressive cncer and ssid it had to go.
OT : before I forget, I will be offline the 30th. From midnight to midnight, back on December 1st.
You'll be missed, my friend!
Gay Paree time?
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"Jewish religious learning"
"Adherents of Judaism do not believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah or Prophet, nor do they believe he was the Son of God."
Good luck getting that to fly in Oklahoma.
Just wait unti the good Christians of Oklahoma learn that Isaac Newton, whom they embrace as their own, did not believe in the divinity of Jesus.
Newton was pissed at Jesus for stealing his birthday.
Jewish folk comprise 22% of the population in OK. I’m surprised it’s even that high.
0.22%
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/jewish-population-by-state
Just say no to ANY publicly funded religious school. Or fund the Satanist church schools(or any others) as well.
What I am afraid of is for deutsch to use the antisemitic argument if his project is refused. A reversal of Simone Veil* being chosen as the figurehead for the legalization oof abortion in 1975.
* At that time, legal abortion was likened to nazi death camps. Mme Simone Veil being a survivor, it couldn't be used against her.
Deutsch can scream "antisemitic" all he wants. Doesn't matter if the school is Catholic, Jewish, or Scientology. Public funds to religious organizations of ANY kind is a no-no, and if Deutsch doesn't want to acknowledge that, he can get it rubbed in his nose in court!
That doesn't mean he won't use it as pretext to make another hole in the wall separating church from state. The supreme corrupt injustices (alitosis and 3/5th especially) could even use this as an argument to say "See ? We don't favor christianity".
Oh, of COURSE they don't favor Christianity (Oh, BER-ROTHER!), but then neither Christianity, nor Judaism are mentioned in the Constitution. "RELIGION" is the catchall work employed, and if SCOTUS doesn't know that, they damned well should!
They know. Some of them don't care.
As it was demonstrated with dobbs, alitosis shat on the Constitution by basing his argument on a law preceding the founding of the United States.
Your comment referring to “3/5” and Thomas, is racist and not appropriate for this or any substack with human values.
I will stop to call him like this when HE will respect the human rights of others.
And, fuck you.
I can't see that claim working at any level. The AG fought against and the State Supreme Court ruled against St. Isidores. So if they likewise fight against and rule against this school, it will be giving the Jewish organization's request the exact same outcome as the Catholic organization's request.
If the Supremes were to take this case up and rule in their favor, nobody's going to be complaining about antisemitism then, either. Finally, if the Supremes don't take it up, there is no other court they could appeal to using an 'antisemitism' claim.
Not that logic would stop the lawyers from making antisemitism claims in their PR, but I really can't see how it would hold water as a legal complaint.
I would agree with you if the current US supreme court track record didn't show a heavy bias toward religion.