There is absolutely nothing that cannot be justified in the name of religion. The Catholic church's stand on contraception doesn't elevate the status of life, it trivializes it. Like every other patriarchal misogynist organization, they have no concern for the woman what so ever.
God damn the RCC. An obscenely wealthy patriarchal organization that treats women, LGBTQs and (especially) children with contempt while shielding its own from any sort of accountability.
This woman was assaulted when she was young. Where was your god then, RCC? If he couldn't be bothered to stop that assault then, he doesn't get a say in her life now.
Who’s to say their god wasn’t causing the assault? I mean, she didn’t say who assaulted her or where she was assaulted, it could have been a priest in church. What excuse was given to assault her? Her father owned her so he can do whatever he wants because god. There’s just so much we don’t know, but we do know that the church is setup to protect the men assaulting women and blame the women for their victimhood. And this is just another way they punish women for existing.
Of course! It's all part of God's Plan™, and if you violate God's Plan™, EVERYTHING goes KAFLOOIE! So Catholic authority doesn't mess with God's Plan™.
I positively LOVE this quote, because it speaks to the bullshit nature of the Abrahamic god and the crap this supposedly omnibenevolent being lays on its creation.
If you are unwilling to provide the healthcare required by your patients, you should not be in the medical field. This goes for individuals and for institutions. Best medical practices should be the priority, sincerely held religious beliefs are irrelevant.
Sincerely held religious beliefs have been killing women since their beginning, long before we called them sincerely held religious beliefs. Women aren’t allowed to be seen by men, a sincerely held religious belief, means that women can’t see a doctor at all, not for any gynecological reason, not even for a cut on their finger. Women aren’t allowed to attend school or be educated, a sincerely religious belief, means that women cannot learn to be doctors to provide care to women patients, keeping women from getting the medical attention they desperately need. It also keeps women under the thumbs of men for their basic human needs for survival. Menstrual quarantine, abortion bans, and shaming surrounding anything to do with sex and or rapes and single motherhood, all puts women’s lives in very real, very serious danger. It leads to witch hunts, and such terrible quality of life.
If I didn’t know any better, I would believe that religions were created just to make women give birth and die.
I think you're onto something with that last sentence. I could almost believe that, in their secret heart of hearts, they wish they could have women euthanised once they are past childbearing age. Isn't that what they do to brood mares who are no longer useful?
In contrast with horses, women beyond child bearing age can still be useful, while mom is busy caring for the newborn baby, grandma can prepare sandwiches for the other kids (and for the lazy husband).
There is an evolutionary purpose to human menopause. People have only just begun researching it, so no conclusions yet. But there has to be some reason women are outliving their reproductive abilities. Most mammals, and fauna in general, do not have menopause. I think elephants and some apes do, but not many others. The fact that women go through menopause proves that our purpose is greater than just shitting out babies. Also, the social orders of animals that do have menopause are matriarchal, a reason the patriarchy we suffer under is not natural.
The church claims to be pro-life. However, if a procedure goes against their bigoted beliefs, they will deny it to the point of killing the patient. Are these Catholic hospitals willing to transfer a patient to a hospital where they can receive the life saving care they need? Probably not. Pro-life? No. Pro control? Absolutely.
If the hospital 𝘬𝘯𝘦𝘸 they wouldn't allow the procedure, why did they take Ms Anonymous's money and allow it to proceed up until just before the anesthetic was administered? That seems unnecessarily cruel.
Part of me hopes Ms Anonymous doesn't get her refund, so she can take them to court and get at least triple plus court costs and attorney fees. The other part hopes that she gets her refund, and that a true medical caregiver will do the procedure for free.
There was more than one case where a woman was in the process of losing massive amounts of blood, needed a D & C, and the Catholic hospital in Northern California gave her a bucket, towels and basically said good luck, hope you make it to the next hospital many miles away!
Yes. Apparently at some point a nurse told her 'we are a catholic country'.
Re Savita, something which is often overlooked, she was in hospital for about a week. She was conscious. She knew what was happening to her. She also had some medical training, so she knew about the risks of her situation.
In her case, medical staff kept monitoring her, but felt that they could not do a D&C because there was still a heartbeat. A heartbeat of what was never going to be a live baby. All the while she was fighting serious infections and going septic.
(Gruesome detail warning - when you're pregnant and your waters break, it provides an opening for seriously nasty bacteria to enter your uterus and due to the lack of amniotic fluid they can run rampant, causing serious infections which can spread all over the body. Ultimately causing the body to go septic and shut down. I did not know that until I read that about Savita's case.)
We had a similar incident in New Mexico, as I stated in my "Further Thought," though in that case, the woman survived. I have little doubt but that many such incidents have happened throughout the US and simply were not reported on.
Also makes me wonder how many times Catholic hospitals have been sued by women or their families because of their selective refusal to provide proper health care.
In Savita’s case they were prioritising a dead baby over a live woman.
As you might know, the people in Ireland were outraged, absolutely furious. Very quickly it led to a referendum, which gave a (limited) right to abortions.
And it told everyone that the country wasn’t/isn’t quite so catholic anymore.
I suspect that there's hardly a regular here who doesn't know about what happened to Savita Halappanavar and the fallout from all of that. I almost wonder if the word, "perfidy" was invented to describe what happened to her.
What makes it all worse is that similar incidents are happening in the US right now because of the Dobbs decision and individual states deciding to outlaw abortions and in some cases, indict women who attempt to get proper health care.
Am I incensed about all of this? YOU BET YOUR ASS I AM!!!
And they should be sued. Each and every time they do something like that the hospital should be sued, the medical personnel should be sued. And open up some (criminal) investigations as well!
Yes, Indian heritage dentist stuck in Catholic controlled hellscape who needed a D &C and couldn’t get one and died. She’s the reason abortion is now legal there.
Why would anyone want a woman who does not want children to have children? How many children who are unwanted are abused, starved, lost in foster care systems? Religion should not have anything to do with politics or forcing their rules on othe rpeople.
The people who want to sterilize women with the wrong skin color, and who want women with the correct skin color to produce as much offspring as possible.
No hospital should be allowed to be owned or run by any religious order unless that state has laws that preclude the owning cult from imposing its own "values" on patients.
Both religion and profit motive need to be eliminated from healthcare. Get religion out so it is comprehensive, get profit motive out so it is affordable.
That is, PRESUMING that this event is getting proper news coverage. Personally, I would make no such presumption.
And once again, we have the Catholic Church, favoring ideology over human beings, their choices, and their desire to exercise control over their own bodies. This brand of ludicrous nannyism was old 10 squares back, but I wouldn't expect the RCC to change their ways any time soon.
And this is what makes me glad that we in northern Ohio have the Cleveland Clinic, University Hospitals, and MetroHealth systems, ALL of which are SECULAR, to handle health care for the people. Would that such an environment were more pervasive.
I don't have my original piece about this matter, but there was an incident, I believe in New Mexico, regarding a woman with a toxic pregnancy which threatened to take both her and the fetus. She was being treated at a Catholic hospital there, where the nun in charge of making such decisions okayed an emergency abortion to save the woman's life. When the local bishop or archbishop learned of this, he excommunicated the nun. She was later reinstated, but once again, this is how the RCC runs: they lean on their dicta and dogma and human beings be damned if they want to act on their own authority.
Catholic hospitals have been operating this way for forever. Any medical staff that refuses to DO THEIR JOB should be fired, period. Get rid of conscience protections in healthcare. TAX these churches. We are tired.
I rewatched the movie Spotlight last night. Unbelievable (but believable) people are still sending their children to these churches. Systemic rot.
There is absolutely nothing that cannot be justified in the name of religion. The Catholic church's stand on contraception doesn't elevate the status of life, it trivializes it. Like every other patriarchal misogynist organization, they have no concern for the woman what so ever.
God damn the RCC. An obscenely wealthy patriarchal organization that treats women, LGBTQs and (especially) children with contempt while shielding its own from any sort of accountability.
Pro-life, my ass. Pro their own lives.
Pro-forced birth! They want victims for their rich donors to abuse.
Pro-CONTROL. Nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade here.
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This woman was assaulted when she was young. Where was your god then, RCC? If he couldn't be bothered to stop that assault then, he doesn't get a say in her life now.
Who’s to say their god wasn’t causing the assault? I mean, she didn’t say who assaulted her or where she was assaulted, it could have been a priest in church. What excuse was given to assault her? Her father owned her so he can do whatever he wants because god. There’s just so much we don’t know, but we do know that the church is setup to protect the men assaulting women and blame the women for their victimhood. And this is just another way they punish women for existing.
Of course! It's all part of God's Plan™, and if you violate God's Plan™, EVERYTHING goes KAFLOOIE! So Catholic authority doesn't mess with God's Plan™.
Which apparently includes diddling little kids.
𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑒𝑖𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑎 𝐺𝑜𝑑 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑠 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑 𝑟𝑎𝑝𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑎𝑝𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛 𝑜𝑟 𝑦𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑎 𝐺𝑜𝑑 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑠𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑦 𝑤𝑎𝑡𝑐ℎ𝑒𝑠 𝑖𝑡 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑠, “𝑊ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑦𝑜𝑢’𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑜𝑛𝑒, 𝐼’𝑚 𝑔𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑢𝑛𝑖𝑠ℎ 𝑦𝑜𝑢.” 𝐼𝑓 𝐼 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑝 𝑎 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑟𝑎𝑝𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑, 𝐼 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑. 𝑇ℎ𝑎𝑡’𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑏𝑒𝑡𝑤𝑒𝑒𝑛 𝑚𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝐺𝑜𝑑.
-- Tracie Harris
I positively LOVE this quote, because it speaks to the bullshit nature of the Abrahamic god and the crap this supposedly omnibenevolent being lays on its creation.
If you are unwilling to provide the healthcare required by your patients, you should not be in the medical field. This goes for individuals and for institutions. Best medical practices should be the priority, sincerely held religious beliefs are irrelevant.
Sincerely held religious beliefs have been killing women since their beginning, long before we called them sincerely held religious beliefs. Women aren’t allowed to be seen by men, a sincerely held religious belief, means that women can’t see a doctor at all, not for any gynecological reason, not even for a cut on their finger. Women aren’t allowed to attend school or be educated, a sincerely religious belief, means that women cannot learn to be doctors to provide care to women patients, keeping women from getting the medical attention they desperately need. It also keeps women under the thumbs of men for their basic human needs for survival. Menstrual quarantine, abortion bans, and shaming surrounding anything to do with sex and or rapes and single motherhood, all puts women’s lives in very real, very serious danger. It leads to witch hunts, and such terrible quality of life.
If I didn’t know any better, I would believe that religions were created just to make women give birth and die.
I think you're onto something with that last sentence. I could almost believe that, in their secret heart of hearts, they wish they could have women euthanised once they are past childbearing age. Isn't that what they do to brood mares who are no longer useful?
In contrast with horses, women beyond child bearing age can still be useful, while mom is busy caring for the newborn baby, grandma can prepare sandwiches for the other kids (and for the lazy husband).
There is an evolutionary purpose to human menopause. People have only just begun researching it, so no conclusions yet. But there has to be some reason women are outliving their reproductive abilities. Most mammals, and fauna in general, do not have menopause. I think elephants and some apes do, but not many others. The fact that women go through menopause proves that our purpose is greater than just shitting out babies. Also, the social orders of animals that do have menopause are matriarchal, a reason the patriarchy we suffer under is not natural.
𝐸𝑣𝑒𝑛 𝑖𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑑𝑜𝑐𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑛𝑢𝑟𝑠𝑒𝑠 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑎 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑐𝑒𝑑𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑛𝑒𝑐𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑎𝑟𝑦 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 ℎ𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑡ℎ 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑡, 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑒𝑥𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑡𝑖𝑠𝑒 𝑡𝑎𝑘𝑒𝑠 𝑎 𝑏𝑎𝑐𝑘𝑠𝑒𝑎𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑚𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑠.
The church claims to be pro-life. However, if a procedure goes against their bigoted beliefs, they will deny it to the point of killing the patient. Are these Catholic hospitals willing to transfer a patient to a hospital where they can receive the life saving care they need? Probably not. Pro-life? No. Pro control? Absolutely.
If the hospital 𝘬𝘯𝘦𝘸 they wouldn't allow the procedure, why did they take Ms Anonymous's money and allow it to proceed up until just before the anesthetic was administered? That seems unnecessarily cruel.
Part of me hopes Ms Anonymous doesn't get her refund, so she can take them to court and get at least triple plus court costs and attorney fees. The other part hopes that she gets her refund, and that a true medical caregiver will do the procedure for free.
There was more than one case where a woman was in the process of losing massive amounts of blood, needed a D & C, and the Catholic hospital in Northern California gave her a bucket, towels and basically said good luck, hope you make it to the next hospital many miles away!
Do da name Savita Halappanavar strike a familiar note? 😡
Yes. Apparently at some point a nurse told her 'we are a catholic country'.
Re Savita, something which is often overlooked, she was in hospital for about a week. She was conscious. She knew what was happening to her. She also had some medical training, so she knew about the risks of her situation.
In her case, medical staff kept monitoring her, but felt that they could not do a D&C because there was still a heartbeat. A heartbeat of what was never going to be a live baby. All the while she was fighting serious infections and going septic.
(Gruesome detail warning - when you're pregnant and your waters break, it provides an opening for seriously nasty bacteria to enter your uterus and due to the lack of amniotic fluid they can run rampant, causing serious infections which can spread all over the body. Ultimately causing the body to go septic and shut down. I did not know that until I read that about Savita's case.)
We had a similar incident in New Mexico, as I stated in my "Further Thought," though in that case, the woman survived. I have little doubt but that many such incidents have happened throughout the US and simply were not reported on.
Also makes me wonder how many times Catholic hospitals have been sued by women or their families because of their selective refusal to provide proper health care.
In Savita’s case they were prioritising a dead baby over a live woman.
As you might know, the people in Ireland were outraged, absolutely furious. Very quickly it led to a referendum, which gave a (limited) right to abortions.
And it told everyone that the country wasn’t/isn’t quite so catholic anymore.
I suspect that there's hardly a regular here who doesn't know about what happened to Savita Halappanavar and the fallout from all of that. I almost wonder if the word, "perfidy" was invented to describe what happened to her.
What makes it all worse is that similar incidents are happening in the US right now because of the Dobbs decision and individual states deciding to outlaw abortions and in some cases, indict women who attempt to get proper health care.
Am I incensed about all of this? YOU BET YOUR ASS I AM!!!
They probably consider wrongful death lawsuits the price of doing business.
Wouldn't surprise me, though I wonder how many dioceses and Catholic hospitals have gone under for "the price of doing business!"
And they should be sued. Each and every time they do something like that the hospital should be sued, the medical personnel should be sued. And open up some (criminal) investigations as well!
Yes, Indian heritage dentist stuck in Catholic controlled hellscape who needed a D &C and couldn’t get one and died. She’s the reason abortion is now legal there.
Why would anyone want a woman who does not want children to have children? How many children who are unwanted are abused, starved, lost in foster care systems? Religion should not have anything to do with politics or forcing their rules on othe rpeople.
The people who want to sterilize women with the wrong skin color, and who want women with the correct skin color to produce as much offspring as possible.
Get all churches OUT of the health care system! PERIOD!
Bingo! If they can't give proper standard of care, they should not be allowed in healthcare!
"At Ascension St. Thomas Midtown, administrators overrode doctors and denied a legal procedure in the name of “sacred fertility.”
TRANSLATION: You are your uterus.
More like: We CONTROL your uterus!
No hospital should be allowed to be owned or run by any religious order unless that state has laws that preclude the owning cult from imposing its own "values" on patients.
And not even then. Get all religion out of healthcare and keep it out.
Both religion and profit motive need to be eliminated from healthcare. Get religion out so it is comprehensive, get profit motive out so it is affordable.
𝐼𝑛 𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑐𝑎𝑠𝑒, 𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑛𝑜 𝑐𝑙𝑢𝑒 ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑚𝑒𝑑𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑙 𝑜𝑝𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑙𝑖𝑚𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑦 𝐶𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑐-𝑟𝑢𝑛 ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑝𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑙𝑠 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑚𝑖𝑑𝑠𝑡. 𝐼𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑦 𝑟𝑎𝑖𝑠𝑒𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑎𝑤𝑎𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑒𝑠𝑠, 𝑓𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑎𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑐.
That is, PRESUMING that this event is getting proper news coverage. Personally, I would make no such presumption.
And once again, we have the Catholic Church, favoring ideology over human beings, their choices, and their desire to exercise control over their own bodies. This brand of ludicrous nannyism was old 10 squares back, but I wouldn't expect the RCC to change their ways any time soon.
And this is what makes me glad that we in northern Ohio have the Cleveland Clinic, University Hospitals, and MetroHealth systems, ALL of which are SECULAR, to handle health care for the people. Would that such an environment were more pervasive.
I'm thankful I get my healthcare through the VA. No religion involved.
Let's hope it stays that way. Tangerine Palpatine and his minions would like to change that.
I don't think the local hospital in my area, "Memorial Healthcare" is run by the Catholic Church, either.
The Baptists own hospitals too. I used to work for one.
"Look, guys, if you let women have abortions, birth control, and sterilization, we're gonna run out of kids to rape pretty quickly."
Thank you for writing about this. The smarmy douchiness of it makes me want to vomit.
Further Thought
I don't have my original piece about this matter, but there was an incident, I believe in New Mexico, regarding a woman with a toxic pregnancy which threatened to take both her and the fetus. She was being treated at a Catholic hospital there, where the nun in charge of making such decisions okayed an emergency abortion to save the woman's life. When the local bishop or archbishop learned of this, he excommunicated the nun. She was later reinstated, but once again, this is how the RCC runs: they lean on their dicta and dogma and human beings be damned if they want to act on their own authority.
Catholic hospitals have been operating this way for forever. Any medical staff that refuses to DO THEIR JOB should be fired, period. Get rid of conscience protections in healthcare. TAX these churches. We are tired.
I rewatched the movie Spotlight last night. Unbelievable (but believable) people are still sending their children to these churches. Systemic rot.
-end rant
What's the Catholic Church's stance on spaying and neutering cats?
Cats and dogs have no souls, so it's all good ... and if you believe THAT one... 🤦♂️
Beat me to it as I was typing it.
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