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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

"Many of the Founders, and certainly the foundational documents of the country, were not influenced by Christianity."

A negative influence is still influence, otherwise the Founders wouldn't have been so keen to promote a secular government.

 "the Bible was treated as a historical text."

Quo Vadis would be a better example and it's full of historical inaccuracies.

"Christianity as the alternative to Communism"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Francoist_Spain

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Francoist_Spain

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_sexuality_in_Francoist_Spain#:~:text=During%20the%20Franco%20regime%2C%20women,women%20even%20into%20the%201980s.

"During the Franco regime, women were required to cover their hair in many contexts.  This was to prevent them from showing their femininity and being sexual beings. Veils were quite common among conservative Catholic women even into the 1980s"

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Matri's avatar

The proper counter to the “the Bible is a historical document” is to tell them Pacific Rim is a documentary.

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Ann Higgins's avatar

What happens when these children read a real history book? Or watch a genuine history program? How will they cope with the truth?

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Will children have access to a real history book, Ann?

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Ann Higgins's avatar

Good question. I suppose it depends whether or not they can get access to a decent public library or happen across truthful sites on the internet.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

There is a concerted effort by the fascists in charge to make that material unavailable. When they banned Maya Angelou in Florida, it was obvious that they intend to obscure truth and push right wing narratives into our schools.

“The American Library Association documented 1,269 demands of book censorship in 2022. It was the highest the organization had ever recorded since it began collecting censorship data more than 20 years prior.”

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Their textbooks will almost certainly be skewed, but the internet will still be out there, or so I suspect. The more curious and precocious among them will challenge the BS, and I suspect they may get more than a little support from their teachers.

At least I hope so.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

That is my hope, as well. It’s pretty damn hard to turn off the information spigot completely. If kids are motivated to learn the truth, well, the truth is out there. What we have seen from the MAGAT cult, though, is an innate ability to repel all truth and dive into the deepest, darkest recesses of the fetid swamp. To date, nothing resembling the truth has been able to find a way into their spider infested brain pans.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

They know what they believe, and cannot be bothered with inconvenient things like facts.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

"𝑀𝑢𝑐ℎ 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑣'𝑑, 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑡𝑙𝑒 𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑜𝑑,

𝐴𝑛𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑑𝑢𝑙𝑙 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑢'𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑔𝑜𝑜𝑑." - Alexander Pope

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Ensconced in the “cone of silence,” Beldar Conehead would be proud.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

The real problem here is that the cat is already out of the bag, thanks to both Hemant and others who have reported on this. If I were an Oklahoman, I would be writing to Walters' office and much the same fashion that Joe King did, demanding an explanation as to why he insists online to Oklahoma students.

It's as I've said elsewhere here: Walters has screwed the pooch, and I don't think the pooch is going to like it very much.

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S. Arch's avatar

How has Walters "screwed the pooch?"

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

How? By telling the same kind of lies that put Fox News in the jackpot for 3/4 of a billion dollars. If Walters thinks that he's as Teflon as Donald Trump is, he's got another think coming.

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S. Arch's avatar

The 3/4 of billion dollars doesn't seem to have hurt Fox News much. They are still spewing MAGA/right-wing propaganda. Indeed, Fox News shares a large part of the blame for the fall of the U.S. republic. So, to suggest that Walters will be held accountable the same way Fox News was held accountable is to suggest that he will NOT be held accountable.

More to the point, who was it that sued Fox News and on what grounds? I don't think the same case would apply to Walters. Besides, the Trump Regime will eventually take complete control of the courts and any case against Walters will be dismissed. The Trump Regime will find many more people just like Walters and put them in charge of "education" in all 50 states.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Who sued? Dominion Voting Systems, who also went after Mike Lindell, ol' Mr. Pillow Guy. Wanna ask HIM how he's been doing after getting reamed by DVS? I should mention that Smartmatic went after Lindell as well, and I can't imagine that either of them would have any compunction about giving Walters the same treatment if he wants to persist.

As for Fox News, somehow I seriously doubt that they'll have much to say about the integrity of ANY election in the future. $787 million makes for one hell of a wake-up call.

Edit: Walters has made the same stupid allegations about the 2020 election that Fox News and Lindell made. He'd do well to watch both his mouth AND his ass.

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S. Arch's avatar

I don't see Dominion Voting System suing Walters. FoxNews and Lindell were blaming DVS explicitly (by name) for election fraud. Is Walters doing that? I don't think he is, but I could be mistaken. Or is he just vaguely claiming that the election was rigged without blaming any specific entity? Unless he specifically names and blames DVS, there's no case.

I bet you're wrong. I bet Fox News would still be willing to say a lot about the integrity of future elections. They just won't name and blame specific companies/people. Vague hints and suggestions are all that's needed to rile up MAGA cult members.

In any case, it's a moot point. Fox won't need to say much about the integrity of any future elections, because soon our elections will all be done Russia-style, with Trump and his chosen successors receiving 99% of the vote.

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S. Arch's avatar

I know about that. But how is that relevant the Walters? Is he naming and blaming Dominion Voting Systems for election fraud the way Fox News did? I don't think he's doing that (but I could be mistaken). If he's not naming and blaming specific companies/people, then there's no case. Who is going to sue him?

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Ian D's avatar

Murdoch is prepared to lose money so that he can spew out his propaganda to give him influence and control. It's in his DNA.

Dennis Potter loathed Murdoch's values and negative influence on society so much that he named his cancer, 'Rupert'

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Stephen Brady's avatar

They are taught that anything which disagrees with their indoctrination is automatically wrong.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

This is Cult 101. If you’ve ever wondered how we wound up with a perverse group of evangelicals supporting a fascist coup in our country, there ya go.

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Anri's avatar

They will, to a first approximation, disbelieve it as liberal/communist/"internationalist" propaganda.

Core beliefs taught when one is young, and then reinforced by authority figures and peers while growing up are very difficult to discard.

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Joe King's avatar

Mr Walters:

I must add racism to the list of bigoted positions you hold. You are doing a massive disservice to all students in Oklahoma by insisting that they learn a history devoid of non-whites, a Christian only approach to government, and pseudoscience and conspiracy theories in place of reality.

𝐹𝑖𝑟𝑠𝑡 𝑔𝑟𝑎𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑏𝑒 𝑡𝑎𝑢𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 “𝑝𝑢𝑟𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑚𝑒𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑛𝑔” 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑃𝑙𝑒𝑑𝑔𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝐴𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑔𝑖𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑒 “𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑖𝑔𝑛𝑖𝑓𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝ℎ𝑟𝑎𝑠𝑒 ‘𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝐺𝑜𝑑.’”

How would those first graders be assessed if they were taught the truth, that the purpose and meaning of the Pledge was originally to sell flags to schools for the upcoming 400th anniversary of Columbus making landfall in the Caribbean? Would they be marked as wrong for stating that the significance of the phrase "under god" was explicitly a response to the Red Scare, pushed by the Catholic Knights of Columbus?

I could break down the rest of the lies you intend all Oklahoma children to believe, but I will leave that as an exercise for the reader.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Let's call this what it is. Walters wants to lie to kids, so that he can cootchie-coo the infantile, narcissistic asshole who currently resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC. I STILL think he wants Linda McMahon's job at the Department of Education.

Or not, since Donnie Dumb-Ass wants it to go away.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Bet you sent that one, too, didn't you? Smokin', dude! 👍

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Joe King's avatar

Couldn't find a good email, but I did send it to his Facebook messenger.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Sometimes I just love google! I googled Ryan Walters address, and got the following:

2500NORTH LINCOLN BOULEVARD, OKLAHOMA CITY, OK 73105-4599

PHONE:(405) 521-4885 • SDE.OK.GOV • RYAN.WALTERS @SDE.OK.GOV

Use it in good health!

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Joe King's avatar

Done!

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larry parker's avatar

Child abuse.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Walters' actions here go about 10 light years past despicable, and into whole new territory. The odd thing is that, in the long haul, he won't get away with it. Kids these days have access to the internet, and with that, to facts and opinions other than Walters'. I would fully expect his lies to be challenged in the classroom and out, never mind teachers who will insist that his flagrant mendacities have nothing to do with actual history.

The TL;DR version here is pretty simple: Walters has made a massive mistake here, and there's a better than average chance that he's going to pay for it.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

Well, calling Walters ten light years past despicable is paying him a compliment, he’s irredeemable ever since Nex Benedict’s death and his cheering for it. He’s dangerous for the state’s education standards, and deadly to the state’s children.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Granted that one runs out of adjectives when trying to characterize someone like Walters. One wonders how he persists in a state that is 49th in education ... but then a state in THAT state likely doesn't have a great deal of informed voters.

Well, they got at least ONE [hint: he produces The Thinking Atheist Podcast! 😁]

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oraxx's avatar

+++ I sure hope you're right. My grand daughter and her husband are OU graduates. They loved the university but couldn't get back to Dallas fast enough once they graduated.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Exactly, Troublesh00ter. The person in charge of the enlightenment of students in Oklahoma is, instead, burying them in bullshit.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

He'll just thump his chest and shout 'See how they persecute me!'

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

He can be persecuted all he wants. I doubt the judge in any pending legal action will care much, if at all.

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Anri's avatar

I hope so.

To the best of my understanding, though, to an ever-accelerating extent, internet system are built to try to deliver to you what (they perceive) you already agree with, as it's easier to sell you stuff when it does so.

It's possible to fight against tailoring algorithms, but it's not easy.

Yes, people have discovered that what they were taught were lies.

Others have had these lies reinforced.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

Part Deux!

"𝐼𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑓𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑒𝑥𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑚𝑒𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑈𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑆𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠' 𝑜𝑓𝑓𝑖𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑙 𝑚𝑜𝑡𝑡𝑜, "𝐼𝑛 𝑔𝑜𝑑 𝑤𝑒 𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑠𝑡," 𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑙𝑢𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒."

It was so important that we wrote a law called the First Amendment saying nobody has to practice yours if they don't want to!

"𝐼𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑓𝑦 𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑛𝑓𝑙𝑢𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑐𝑜𝑙𝑜𝑛𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑠, 𝐹𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑠, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑐𝑢𝑙𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒, 𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑙𝑢𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑒𝑎𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝐽𝑒𝑠𝑢𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑁𝑎𝑧𝑎𝑟𝑒𝑡ℎ (𝑒.𝑔., 𝑡ℎ𝑒 "𝐺𝑜𝑙𝑑𝑒𝑛 𝑅𝑢𝑙𝑒," 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑆𝑒𝑟𝑚𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑀𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑡)."

Matthew 6:6 should definitely be part of the curriculum. The first part, even! Wouldn't want the kiddos to miss out on their eternal reward because they prayed in front of an audience, would we?

"𝐸𝑣𝑎𝑙𝑢𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑜𝑙𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝐽𝑢𝑑𝑒𝑜-𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑠 𝑖𝑛 𝑠𝑢𝑝𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑐𝑜𝑙𝑜𝑛𝑖𝑎𝑙 𝑑𝑒𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑠 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑖𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑝𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒, 𝑎𝑠 𝑒𝑥𝑒𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑖𝑓𝑖𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑏𝑖𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑏𝑒𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎 𝑓𝑟𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑙𝑦 𝑐𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑢𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑏𝑦 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎'𝑠 𝐹𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑠."

The founders of the 𝘜𝘯𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘚𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘴 of America, on the other hand, hardly ever mentioned the silly thing, and took great pains to completely exclude it from the Constitution. Also, we can see the explosive bolts on that hyphen; you're not fooling anyone.

"𝐷𝑒𝑠𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑏𝑒 ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐶𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑡𝑢𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑈𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑆𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑖𝑛𝑓𝑙𝑢𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑦 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑛, 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑦, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑏𝑖𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑎𝑠 𝑎 𝑓𝑟𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑙𝑦 𝑐𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑢𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑏𝑦 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎'𝑠 𝑓𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑠."

Oh, another easy one! It wasn't, morality is subjective, and the founders didn't mention the bible once in our founding documents. Didn't we just go over this?

"𝐷𝑒𝑠𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑏𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑙 𝑓𝑒𝑎𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑖𝑛 𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑅𝑜𝑚𝑒..."

Well, y'see, Constantine went and got himself a new religion, and then Rome went to absolute 𝘧𝘶𝘤𝘬. I may be leaving a few trivial details out, but you get the gist of it.

"𝐷𝑒𝑠𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑏𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑎 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑜𝑓 𝑠𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑠, 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑎𝑙 𝑜𝑓 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑢𝑛𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑓 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑙𝑑𝑙𝑦 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑡ℎ."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAAAA*𝘨𝘢𝘢𝘢𝘢𝘢𝘢𝘢𝘢𝘢𝘢𝘢𝘢𝘢𝘢𝘴𝘱*AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHA*𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩*HAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA*𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘦𝘦𝘻𝘦*AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA*𝘥𝘪𝘦𝘴*

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WE LOVE SLAVERY!!! says every kkkrister. Slavery is the reason the minimum wage was not increased for years. $7/hour is getting close to slavery, but is still too much. Removing food stamps, soup kitchens and food banks will get the billionaire class ever closer to actual slavery.

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

"It was so important that we wrote a law called the First Amendment saying nobody has to practice yours if they don't want to!"

Wonder what happens if someone gives an answer like this?

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larry parker's avatar

CPR to the beat of Staying Alive. I hope it works!

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Joan the Dork's avatar

"𝐸𝑥𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑖𝑛 𝑝𝑎𝑡𝑟𝑖𝑜𝑡𝑖𝑐 𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑑𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑢𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑒 𝑐𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑧𝑒𝑛𝑠."

A good 'ol riot is as American as it gets! Stonewall, the Boston Tea Party...

"𝐸𝑥𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑢𝑟𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑚𝑒𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑜𝑓 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑃𝑙𝑒𝑑𝑔𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝐴𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑔𝑖𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑖𝑔𝑛𝑖𝑓𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝ℎ𝑟𝑎𝑠𝑒 "𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑔𝑜𝑑.""

Easy! Nationalistic horseshit and Christian piss-marking, respectively. Next!

"𝐸𝑥𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑢𝑟𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑚𝑒𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑂𝑘𝑙𝑎ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑎 𝑝𝑙𝑒𝑑𝑔𝑒."

Just as easy: it has no purpose or meaning, and nobody cares about it.

"𝐷𝑒𝑠𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑏𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑎𝑝𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑝𝑟𝑖𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑓𝑙𝑎𝑔𝑒 𝑒𝑡𝑖𝑞𝑢𝑒𝑡𝑡𝑒 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑏𝑜𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑛𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑎𝑙 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑓𝑙𝑎𝑔𝑠."

Step one: soak in lighter fluid. Step two: invert. Step three: attach to flagpole. Step four: ignite. Step five: raise.

It's important not to get steps four and five confused. It's 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 hard to light a flag on fire after it's already at the top of the pole.

"𝐸𝑥𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑖𝑛 𝑎𝑝𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑝𝑟𝑖𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑦𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑝𝑒𝑐𝑡 𝑑𝑢𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑦𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑛𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑎𝑙 𝑎𝑛𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚, "𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑆𝑡𝑎𝑟-𝑆𝑝𝑎𝑛𝑔𝑙𝑒𝑑 𝐵𝑎𝑛𝑛𝑒𝑟," 𝑏𝑦 𝐹𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑖𝑠 𝑆𝑐𝑜𝑡𝑡 𝐾𝑒𝑦."

So many choices! My go-to is rolling my eyes, but I'm a lazy bitch. There's also the classic one-finger salute, the "get bent" gesture if you're feeling something more emphatic, mooning, booing, singing "The Song That Gets On Everybody's Nerves," giving a spontaneous megaphone history lesson about how Francis Scott Key was a fucking horrible person... really, the sky's the limit!

"𝐸𝑥𝑎𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑦𝑠 𝑐𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑧𝑒𝑛𝑠 𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑑𝑒𝑚𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑝𝑎𝑡𝑟𝑖𝑜𝑡𝑖𝑠𝑚, 𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑙𝑢𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑚𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑟𝑦 𝑠𝑒𝑟𝑣𝑖𝑐𝑒, ℎ𝑜𝑛𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑣𝑒𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑛 𝑐𝑒𝑚𝑒𝑡𝑎𝑟𝑖𝑒𝑠, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑐𝑒𝑙𝑒𝑏𝑟𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝐼𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑝𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝐷𝑎𝑦."

Well... ImPOTUS has 𝘥𝘦𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘺 never done the first one, he's snubbed ceremonies at veterans' cemetaries because he thought they were, his words, "suckers and losers," and I don't know his thoughts on July 4th but I doubt he could even tell you what happened on that day to make it so significant.

Also, you forgot protesting oppression, voting, exercising the freedom of the press, and 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘰𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘧𝘢𝘴𝘤𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 𝘧𝘢𝘴𝘤𝘪𝘴𝘵 𝘧𝘶𝘤𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘧𝘢𝘤𝘦𝘴, among other wonderful patriotic traditions.

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Dianne Marie Leonard's avatar

I liked both of your lessons. The critical piece there was: it's not just one deluded dude shooting off his mouth. It's structural.

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Matri's avatar

Worse. It’s institutional.

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oraxx's avatar

Oklahoma ranks at or near the bottom in just about every education metric. This is only going to make it worse. This proposal sounds very much as if they began with the conclusions they wanted, then worked backwards looking for validation with a heaping helping of religion thrown in for good measure. David Barton lacks the educational credentials to teach American history at the grade school level. No university that wanted to hold on to their accreditation would hire him to teach anything.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Alabama, Arizona and New Mexico say, “Hold my beer, Oklahoma!”

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Joan the Dork's avatar

Don't forget Flori-derp and Tex-ass!

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Kay-El's avatar

OK’s new state motto: “Get ‘Em Young, Keep ‘Em Dumb”. Brought to you by Ryan Walters and the OK legislature.

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Matri's avatar

OK is not okay.

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Kay-El's avatar

Not by a long shot

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

“Today is a major victory for Oklahoma families and for the truth. After months of Democrats and the teachers unions lying and attacking, the most unapologetically conservative, pro-America social studies standards in the nation are moving forward.”

First, they were the most conservative standards before you personally got to them. Second, there’s no truth to them, or your statement about the democrats and teachers unions, yeah the very people with the most expertise on the subject at hand. At this point, the word ‘conservative’ is synonymous with deceptive, misinformation, and outright, bald faced lies.

It’s going to get worse before it gets better, but it’s going to get better.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

And the first step toward getting better is throwing Walters OUT of Oklahoma government and preferably, out of the state as well!

Yeah, I know, the second isn't that likely, but the first damned well is doable!

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Joan the Dork's avatar

Why stop there? Have we no rockets with which to throw him out of the 𝘢𝘵𝘮𝘰𝘴𝘱𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦?

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

We've got better things to do with our launch vehicles!

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Matri's avatar

The next SpaceX test is coming up, I’m sure we can find room for him on it.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

A rock, a rope, the nearest piece of water 10 feet deep et voilà.

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S. Arch's avatar

I disagree. I don't think Walters can be thrown out at this point. We are likely to see more people exactly like him in education leadership positions in the coming years. The MAGA regime will make sure of it.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

“The left has hijacked our education system. We have teachers outright teaching our kids to hate our country and our leaders.”

Teachers don’t need to teach that (they’re not anyway), your antics, Walters, is doing it quite effectively.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Sounds like the very grooming that Christian Rethuglikkkans falsely accuse drag queens and LGBTQs of.

Ryan "Child Killer" Walters repeatedly pushes the bible while simultaneously disobeying what it teaches its followers to do (don't engage in lying, trickery and deceit, obey all secular laws and authorities, etc).

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Linda Bower's avatar

Funny how that works, huh?

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XJC's avatar

'Do as I say, not as...the Bible says.'

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James Clark's avatar

It's pretty obvious that Christianity can only maintain itself by indoctrinating children into the fantasy as early as possible. It's a Christian war on democracy and the freedom of religion.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

James, the Christian nationalists have ramped up efforts to make “Fantasy 101” a regular subject in all schools. Now the 3 R’s are Readin,’ Ritin,” and Religion.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

OT- This will surprise no one (except maybe Susan, if she's still haunting our halls), but Cheetolini doesn't actually intend to honor the oath he swore: https://apnews.com/article/trump-due-process-canada-greenland-military-action-8da3e853b6cec944ec373fae4d317ac4

Due process? Never heard of it! Also some more arglebargle about Canada and Greenland, and some "Biden did it!" about how he's steering the economy over a cliff. But someone convinced him to tone down the third term bullshit, at least! Until the next Nuremberg Rally pops off, anyway.

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Mr.E's avatar

I do not say this often, but I hope he dies really soon.

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Die Anyway's avatar

I've heard it said, only the good die young. Tangerine Torquemada may be with us for decades. 🤢

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Bet he'll stay alive out of pure spite.

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Linda Bower's avatar

I will be sending Americans United for Separation of Church and State all of my donations this year in addition to our local cat rescue (because cats are decent people).

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Maltnothops's avatar

I just renewed with FFRF for $250 instead of the $100 I’d been doing for the last several years.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

I renewed last fall with $100, rather than the base $40 I started out with, but I've also been known to throw them a C-note when the need arises.

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wreck's avatar

"idea of the equality of souls"

Technically correct. All nonexistent things are equally nonexistent.

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