The party whose leadership — all the way up to the AG, the DOJ, the FBI, and POTUS — are actively breaking the law to protect pedophiles, is against a bill to protect children.
Colour me shocked (I think it's a shade of mauve).
I've seen home schooled children who were functionally illiterate and not remotely ready for college. The idea parents who are not remotely qualified to teach are always going to do a good job is absurd. At some point, children have rights too and no parent has the right to brainwash a child instead of educating them.
I have a friend who homeschooled her son and now he's an adult living in an abusive marriage and has a couple kids. He can only get menial labor jobs because he can't even read and write. OMG, what if they homeschool their kids?
Republicans are opposed to oversight regarding homeschooling, eh? Apparently, laissez faire education is a hill they want to die on, and children's well-being be damned? Once again, I would suspect that this attitude would continue until their own kids were impacted by abuse.
But abuse in their own homes and by their own hands? DAMN.
Speculating on why they would object to informing the government that you plan to homeschool:
They have a peculiar bit of doublethink in their indoctrination. They have been so conditioned to see the government as evil and out to get them because of their religious beliefs that they want to hide as much information about themselves from the government as they can. It makes it easier to "escape the persecution" that way. At the same time, they worship Trump and his government, claiming that he's is there to restore the "Christian nation" that they think we are supposed to be. Basically, if the government makes rules they have to follow, it is bad, and if the government makes rules the people they hate have to follow, it is good. And it is usually the same government, which they willfully ignore to maintain their narrow toxic bubble.
This exactly. With a good deal of racism (rules and heavy punishments for browns, not for whites) and classism (rules and heavy punishments for the poor, not for the rich) thrown in.
So, telling the State government that you plan to homeschool, and have no open investigation into alleged abuse or neglect is an onerous burden to the party claiming they want to protect children. Right. And I have some oceanfront property in Topeka for sale.
How, exactly, does not telling the government where you plan to send your kids to school protect those children from abuse? How, exactly, does not being under investigation for abuse fail to protect children? They don't really care about protecting children. They just want to prevent their children from learning anything outside their abusive bubble.
Just for clarification, I take it Topeka is miles away from a beach?
As regards your other point, do you remember the issue about Obamacare and contraception, where religious employers could limit their insurance coverage for reproductive healthcare by submitting a simple form? An arrangement which had been constructed to provide a balance between the (medical) needs of employees and the (religious) views of the employers. And yet, some employers still felt put upon and sued.
“ Parents are not subjects—they are citizens—and they do not need the permission of this state government or anyone in this room to educate their own children.”
But funny, when it comes to transgender kids, they believe that the state can step in at any time and have a bunch of former grocery clerks and accountants make medical decisions for families.
Government can step in at any time and disallow access to Books that certain people don’t like, on subjects they don’t like, concerning issues that they neither understand nor like
Why, if they didn’t have double standards, their standards would be TrumpIan and reactionary christian.
“Parents are not subjects—they are citizens—and they do not need the permission of this state government or anyone in this room to educate their own children.”
Parents aren’t subjects, but apparently their children are.
So their argument is “not all homeschooling parents”?
Well, no not all and no one said all, but there are obviously plenty of them. That argument doesn’t work for other instances, not all men, not all white people, not all Fords (ha), why would it work for homeschool parents?
Remember the Turpins? They homeschooled, well not really but they were considered a homeschool family, and look at what heinous crimes they committed against n their children. Homeschooling opens the door to make that kind of abuse easier to perpetrate. And plenty of abusive parents realize this.
If you aren’t doing anything wrong, it shouldn’t be a big deal to have a little oversight. Parents might have rights, but they do not have more rights than their children. They also have responsibilities that override certain parental rights. Parents who resist this one rule often see their children more as property than people and are the ones most likely to need the oversight.
As others have already noted, Republicans are all "parents' rights!" right up until someone wants to help their kid transition, or have an abortion, or read a book that has LGBTQ characters in it. Then, all of a sudden, the GQP has a powerful interest in using the power of the state to dictate their parenting choices, preferably under threat of having CPS remove their children. If you made a Venn diagram of Republicans who oppose any restriction or oversight of homeschooling, and Republicans who want to either A. make abortion illegal, even for minors, or B. outlaw gender-affirming care, especially for minors, it would be a perfect circle. Their hypocrisy knows no limits- and neither does their cruelty.
They see children as property- again, as others have noted- but exclusively as 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘷𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦 property. You own your children, but 𝘰𝘯𝘭𝘺 if you're right-wing in both thought and deed- otherwise, 𝘙𝘦𝘱𝘶𝘣𝘭𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘯𝘴 own your children, and you'd better not forget it or they'll send a squad of door-kickers to remind you.
One minimal standard should be this: Is the parent a qualified teacher? Do they have teaching credentials? If not, they should be barred from teaching their children (for reasons that should be obvious).
I’m with you. Also, I had teaching credentials when my firstborn was a toddler and I still wasn’t the best person to teach them. Granted they taught themselves to read by age 4, and was a wiz at math after just a simple explanation of how numbers worked. But I was unable to plan lessons for them that were engaging or keep them on track because I was their safe person and they did the misbehave for me. I was also not rained enough to recognize their autism and ADHD by myself. I was qualified to teach a classroom, but unable to teach my child by myself. I did have K-12 training as an art teacher, which is different from an early childhood educator, or an elementary teacher, or a secondary education teacher. Each type of educator is specialized, and has perfected skills that apply at different times in child development. Parents can homeschool well, but to actually do it well they need other adults supporting them. That’s why there are homeschool programs that connect parents and offer classes for this group. Those homeschool parents that want to do it all on their own, tend to be the parents most likely to abuse.
What's that line? It takes a village to raise a child?
This is one saying I've been thinking about a lot over the years. And I think it applies universally. In your case you realised that you needed other people with a different skillset to help raise your child, it also applies to homeschool families.
except we don't even require that in actual schools.....plenty of religious schools have uncertified teachers, as do even elite prep schools, who often hire graduates of prestige universities to teach there; the wealthy have always considered teaching in such schools a respectable occupation; it's not they are making a living doing it; they have that trust fund...i believe all teachers should have professional training and certification; social workers are mentioned in the article; you cannot be a social worker today without a license and a degree from an accredited school of social work. why should teaching be different? also, plenty of research shows professionally trained teachers do a better job. no shit. retired school social worker and former teacher, 31 years......and yes, i have seen the wreckage from home schooling first hand; kids who were learning disabled and not given proper treatment for it because they were homeschooled, and parents didn't recognize that something was wrong. that is abuse. those children rarely make up for lost ground.
The only lives they care about besides their own, are the lives of fetuses. And that is only because "they're killing baybeez" is an effective emotional manipulation tactic to hold on to their power.
"Homeschooling can work. There are religious and secular parents who do it very well. But there’s no way to tell if it’s working unless there’s a system in place to verify it."
This type of nuance is so important. I was homeschooled my entire life until the age of 18, by highly religious parents. We had quarterly check-ins with our area education agency where they would review coursework and grades, and then we still took standardized testing through the local school district. I consistently tested at or above the average student in our district, and went on to get a college education after high school. All of that is specifically *because* home schooling was the best option for me academically, and my parents recognized that and put in the work to make it beneficial. I got really lucky. These people who try to isolate and indoctrinate their children give homeschooling such a bad reputation. Any time my education comes up in conversation I have to make qualifying statements so people don't think I'm crazy or uneducated.
Sure, the problem is there are no standards in place (it should be national) and Christo-fascists think their “religion” is cause for being exempt, untouchable, and unaccountable to any laws or standards anywhere.
The party whose leadership — all the way up to the AG, the DOJ, the FBI, and POTUS — are actively breaking the law to protect pedophiles, is against a bill to protect children.
Colour me shocked (I think it's a shade of mauve).
My color of choice on this GOP position is much closer to bullshit brown.
You're describing Republican-brown.
It's the colour that happens when a fascist eats bullshit then poops.
And they do both through the same hole! Truly, they are marvels of nature.
Bullshit brown with an orange tint.
LOL -the orange tint comes with a dose of senility.
I've seen home schooled children who were functionally illiterate and not remotely ready for college. The idea parents who are not remotely qualified to teach are always going to do a good job is absurd. At some point, children have rights too and no parent has the right to brainwash a child instead of educating them.
I have a friend who homeschooled her son and now he's an adult living in an abusive marriage and has a couple kids. He can only get menial labor jobs because he can't even read and write. OMG, what if they homeschool their kids?
People get so blinded by religion they become convinced nothing else matters.
Republicans are opposed to oversight regarding homeschooling, eh? Apparently, laissez faire education is a hill they want to die on, and children's well-being be damned? Once again, I would suspect that this attitude would continue until their own kids were impacted by abuse.
But abuse in their own homes and by their own hands? DAMN.
They want mindless drones for Trump and his fascists. Too bad for them that Orangey is fading fast.
I wonder what the reaction would be if we suggested getting rid of background checks on public school teachers.
Don't even go there. The fundie evangelicals will just say "challenge...accepted!" and throw YEC youth pastors into every science classroom they can.
*𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘦 𝘴𝘪𝘥𝘦-𝘦𝘺𝘦 𝘢𝘵 𝘛𝘳𝘶𝘮𝘱'𝘴 𝘴𝘩𝘢𝘮𝘣𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘤𝘰𝘳𝘱𝘴𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘢𝘯 𝘌𝘥𝘶𝘤𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘋𝘦𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵*
Speculating on why they would object to informing the government that you plan to homeschool:
They have a peculiar bit of doublethink in their indoctrination. They have been so conditioned to see the government as evil and out to get them because of their religious beliefs that they want to hide as much information about themselves from the government as they can. It makes it easier to "escape the persecution" that way. At the same time, they worship Trump and his government, claiming that he's is there to restore the "Christian nation" that they think we are supposed to be. Basically, if the government makes rules they have to follow, it is bad, and if the government makes rules the people they hate have to follow, it is good. And it is usually the same government, which they willfully ignore to maintain their narrow toxic bubble.
𝑖𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑔𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑚𝑎𝑘𝑒𝑠 𝑟𝑢𝑙𝑒𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑓𝑜𝑙𝑙𝑜𝑤, 𝑖𝑡 𝑖𝑠 𝑏𝑎𝑑, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑖𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑔𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑚𝑎𝑘𝑒𝑠 𝑟𝑢𝑙𝑒𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 ℎ𝑎𝑡𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑓𝑜𝑙𝑙𝑜𝑤, 𝑖𝑡 𝑖𝑠 𝑔𝑜𝑜𝑑.
This exactly. With a good deal of racism (rules and heavy punishments for browns, not for whites) and classism (rules and heavy punishments for the poor, not for the rich) thrown in.
It’s really quite incredible thinking or lack thereof…
𝐼𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑟𝑒𝑠 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑓𝑎𝑚𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑠𝑢𝑏𝑚𝑖𝑡 𝑎 𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚 𝑒𝑥𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑖𝑛𝑔 ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑘𝑖𝑑𝑠 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑏𝑒 𝑒𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑑 (𝑒.𝑔. 𝑝𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑐 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙, 𝑝𝑟𝑖𝑣𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙, ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔, 𝑒𝑡𝑐), 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑖𝑡 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑠 𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡𝑜 ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑘𝑖𝑑𝑠 𝑚𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑏𝑒 “𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑖𝑛𝑣𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑔𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑏𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐷𝑒𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝐶ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝐹𝑎𝑚𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑎𝑛 𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑔𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑓 𝑎𝑏𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑜𝑟 𝑛𝑒𝑔𝑙𝑒𝑐𝑡.”
So, telling the State government that you plan to homeschool, and have no open investigation into alleged abuse or neglect is an onerous burden to the party claiming they want to protect children. Right. And I have some oceanfront property in Topeka for sale.
How, exactly, does not telling the government where you plan to send your kids to school protect those children from abuse? How, exactly, does not being under investigation for abuse fail to protect children? They don't really care about protecting children. They just want to prevent their children from learning anything outside their abusive bubble.
Just for clarification, I take it Topeka is miles away from a beach?
As regards your other point, do you remember the issue about Obamacare and contraception, where religious employers could limit their insurance coverage for reproductive healthcare by submitting a simple form? An arrangement which had been constructed to provide a balance between the (medical) needs of employees and the (religious) views of the employers. And yet, some employers still felt put upon and sued.
"Just for clarification, I take it Topeka is miles away from a beach?"
Well, with climate change...
Little Sisters of the Poor.
Topeka is the capital of Kansas, a landlocked, midwestern prairie state.
Thankyou, much appreciated
De nada. I have to look stuff up all the time!
Well, the SC did decide that filling out paperwork was too much to ask from a nunnery.
“ Parents are not subjects—they are citizens—and they do not need the permission of this state government or anyone in this room to educate their own children.”
But funny, when it comes to transgender kids, they believe that the state can step in at any time and have a bunch of former grocery clerks and accountants make medical decisions for families.
Government can step in at any time and disallow access to Books that certain people don’t like, on subjects they don’t like, concerning issues that they neither understand nor like
Why, if they didn’t have double standards, their standards would be TrumpIan and reactionary christian.
“Parents are not subjects—they are citizens—and they do not need the permission of this state government or anyone in this room to educate their own children.”
Parents aren’t subjects, but apparently their children are.
Children aren't subjects. For these parents they are property.
Authoritarian to the core. That’s what it’s really about
So their argument is “not all homeschooling parents”?
Well, no not all and no one said all, but there are obviously plenty of them. That argument doesn’t work for other instances, not all men, not all white people, not all Fords (ha), why would it work for homeschool parents?
Remember the Turpins? They homeschooled, well not really but they were considered a homeschool family, and look at what heinous crimes they committed against n their children. Homeschooling opens the door to make that kind of abuse easier to perpetrate. And plenty of abusive parents realize this.
If you aren’t doing anything wrong, it shouldn’t be a big deal to have a little oversight. Parents might have rights, but they do not have more rights than their children. They also have responsibilities that override certain parental rights. Parents who resist this one rule often see their children more as property than people and are the ones most likely to need the oversight.
As others have already noted, Republicans are all "parents' rights!" right up until someone wants to help their kid transition, or have an abortion, or read a book that has LGBTQ characters in it. Then, all of a sudden, the GQP has a powerful interest in using the power of the state to dictate their parenting choices, preferably under threat of having CPS remove their children. If you made a Venn diagram of Republicans who oppose any restriction or oversight of homeschooling, and Republicans who want to either A. make abortion illegal, even for minors, or B. outlaw gender-affirming care, especially for minors, it would be a perfect circle. Their hypocrisy knows no limits- and neither does their cruelty.
They see children as property- again, as others have noted- but exclusively as 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘷𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦 property. You own your children, but 𝘰𝘯𝘭𝘺 if you're right-wing in both thought and deed- otherwise, 𝘙𝘦𝘱𝘶𝘣𝘭𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘯𝘴 own your children, and you'd better not forget it or they'll send a squad of door-kickers to remind you.
"Such a broad attack on parental rights is blatantly unconstitutional."
The law sounds quite narrow, actually, and there is nothing about "parental rights" in The Constitution.
And let me guess: these people would likely say "separation of church and state isn't in the constitution."
One minimal standard should be this: Is the parent a qualified teacher? Do they have teaching credentials? If not, they should be barred from teaching their children (for reasons that should be obvious).
I’m with you. Also, I had teaching credentials when my firstborn was a toddler and I still wasn’t the best person to teach them. Granted they taught themselves to read by age 4, and was a wiz at math after just a simple explanation of how numbers worked. But I was unable to plan lessons for them that were engaging or keep them on track because I was their safe person and they did the misbehave for me. I was also not rained enough to recognize their autism and ADHD by myself. I was qualified to teach a classroom, but unable to teach my child by myself. I did have K-12 training as an art teacher, which is different from an early childhood educator, or an elementary teacher, or a secondary education teacher. Each type of educator is specialized, and has perfected skills that apply at different times in child development. Parents can homeschool well, but to actually do it well they need other adults supporting them. That’s why there are homeschool programs that connect parents and offer classes for this group. Those homeschool parents that want to do it all on their own, tend to be the parents most likely to abuse.
What's that line? It takes a village to raise a child?
This is one saying I've been thinking about a lot over the years. And I think it applies universally. In your case you realised that you needed other people with a different skillset to help raise your child, it also applies to homeschool families.
https://thedevilspanties.com/archives/17061
except we don't even require that in actual schools.....plenty of religious schools have uncertified teachers, as do even elite prep schools, who often hire graduates of prestige universities to teach there; the wealthy have always considered teaching in such schools a respectable occupation; it's not they are making a living doing it; they have that trust fund...i believe all teachers should have professional training and certification; social workers are mentioned in the article; you cannot be a social worker today without a license and a degree from an accredited school of social work. why should teaching be different? also, plenty of research shows professionally trained teachers do a better job. no shit. retired school social worker and former teacher, 31 years......and yes, i have seen the wreckage from home schooling first hand; kids who were learning disabled and not given proper treatment for it because they were homeschooled, and parents didn't recognize that something was wrong. that is abuse. those children rarely make up for lost ground.
Hell, we let people who aren't qualified to be parents be parents.
Sad but true.
Authoritarians will always fight tooth and claw against attempts to hold them accountable for their actions.
Conservatives and Christians prove yet again that is THEY, not liberals and atheists, who are the true dangers to children.
The "Pro-Life" Party. Bah!
The only lives they care about besides their own, are the lives of fetuses. And that is only because "they're killing baybeez" is an effective emotional manipulation tactic to hold on to their power.
OT: Now prosecute the orange pedophile for corruption.
Ex-NRA chief Wayne LaPierre loses appeal of $4 million corruption penalty
A Manhattan jury in 2024 found that LaPierre spent NRA donor funds on designer Italian suits, private flights and insider contracts.
https://www.courthousenews.com/ex-nra-chief-wayne-lapierre-loses-appeal-of-4-million-corruption-penalty/
No surprises there. These people are corrupt to the bone.
children and wives as livestock.
The pecking order goes livestock, wives then children.
Correction if I may: livestock, potential children, wives, actual children
Chattel.
"Homeschooling can work. There are religious and secular parents who do it very well. But there’s no way to tell if it’s working unless there’s a system in place to verify it."
This type of nuance is so important. I was homeschooled my entire life until the age of 18, by highly religious parents. We had quarterly check-ins with our area education agency where they would review coursework and grades, and then we still took standardized testing through the local school district. I consistently tested at or above the average student in our district, and went on to get a college education after high school. All of that is specifically *because* home schooling was the best option for me academically, and my parents recognized that and put in the work to make it beneficial. I got really lucky. These people who try to isolate and indoctrinate their children give homeschooling such a bad reputation. Any time my education comes up in conversation I have to make qualifying statements so people don't think I'm crazy or uneducated.
Sure, the problem is there are no standards in place (it should be national) and Christo-fascists think their “religion” is cause for being exempt, untouchable, and unaccountable to any laws or standards anywhere.