The party whose leadership — all the way up to the AG, the DOJ, the FBI, and POTUS — are actively breaking the law to protect pedophiles, is against a bill to protect children.
Colour me shocked (I think it's a shade of mauve).
I've seen home schooled children who were functionally illiterate and not remotely ready for college. The idea parents who are not remotely qualified to teach are always going to do a good job is absurd. At some point, children have rights too and no parent has the right to brainwash a child instead of educating them.
Republicans are opposed to oversight regarding homeschooling, eh? Apparently, laissez faire education is a hill they want to die on, and children's well-being be damned? Once again, I would suspect that this attitude would continue until their own kids were impacted by abuse.
But abuse in their own homes and by their own hands? DAMN.
One minimal standard should be this: Is the parent a qualified teacher? Do they have teaching credentials? If not, they should be barred from teaching their children (for reasons that should be obvious).
I’m with you. Also, I had teaching credentials when my firstborn was a toddler and I still wasn’t the best person to teach them. Granted they taught themselves to read by age 4, and was a wiz at math after just a simple explanation of how numbers worked. But I was unable to plan lessons for them that were engaging or keep them on track because I was their safe person and they did the misbehave for me. I was also not rained enough to recognize their autism and ADHD by myself. I was qualified to teach a classroom, but unable to teach my child by myself. I did have K-12 training as an art teacher, which is different from an early childhood educator, or an elementary teacher, or a secondary education teacher. Each type of educator is specialized, and has perfected skills that apply at different times in child development. Parents can homeschool well, but to actually do it well they need other adults supporting them. That’s why there are homeschool programs that connect parents and offer classes for this group. Those homeschool parents that want to do it all on their own, tend to be the parents most likely to abuse.
What's that line? It takes a village to raise a child?
This is one saying I've been thinking about a lot over the years. And I think it applies universally. In your case you realised that you needed other people with a different skillset to help raise your child, it also applies to homeschool families.
So their argument is “not all homeschooling parents”?
Well, no not all and no one said all, but there are obviously plenty of them. That argument doesn’t work for other instances, not all men, not all white people, not all Fords (ha), why would it work for homeschool parents?
Remember the Turpins? They homeschooled, well not really but they were considered a homeschool family, and look at what heinous crimes they committed against n their children. Homeschooling opens the door to make that kind of abuse easier to perpetrate. And plenty of abusive parents realize this.
If you aren’t doing anything wrong, it shouldn’t be a big deal to have a little oversight. Parents might have rights, but they do not have more rights than their children. They also have responsibilities that override certain parental rights. Parents who resist this one rule often see their children more as property than people and are the ones most likely to need the oversight.
So, telling the State government that you plan to homeschool, and have no open investigation into alleged abuse or neglect is an onerous burden to the party claiming they want to protect children. Right. And I have some oceanfront property in Topeka for sale.
How, exactly, does not telling the government where you plan to send your kids to school protect those children from abuse? How, exactly, does not being under investigation for abuse fail to protect children? They don't really care about protecting children. They just want to prevent their children from learning anything outside their abusive bubble.
Just for clarification, I take it Topeka is miles away from a beach?
As regards your other point, do you remember the issue about Obamacare and contraception, where religious employers could limit their insurance coverage for reproductive healthcare by submitting a simple form? An arrangement which had been constructed to provide a balance between the (medical) needs of employees and the (religious) views of the employers. And yet, some employers still felt put upon and sued.
"Homeschooling can work. There are religious and secular parents who do it very well. But there’s no way to tell if it’s working unless there’s a system in place to verify it."
This type of nuance is so important. I was homeschooled my entire life until the age of 18, by highly religious parents. We had quarterly check-ins with our area education agency where they would review coursework and grades, and then we still took standardized testing through the local school district. I consistently tested at or above the average student in our district, and went on to get a college education after high school. All of that is specifically *because* home schooling was the best option for me academically, and my parents recognized that and put in the work to make it beneficial. I got really lucky. These people who try to isolate and indoctrinate their children give homeschooling such a bad reputation. Any time my education comes up in conversation I have to make qualifying statements so people don't think I'm crazy or uneducated.
“ Parents are not subjects—they are citizens—and they do not need the permission of this state government or anyone in this room to educate their own children.”
But funny, when it comes to transgender kids, they believe that the state can step in at any time and have a bunch of former grocery clerks and accountants make medical decisions for families.
Government can step in at any time and disallow access to Books that certain people don’t like, on subjects they don’t like, concerning issues that they neither understand nor like
Why, if they didn’t have double standards, their standards would be TrumpIan and reactionary christian.
“Parents are not subjects—they are citizens—and they do not need the permission of this state government or anyone in this room to educate their own children.”
Parents aren’t subjects, but apparently their children are.
This freakout over protecting children shows all of their true colors. They view children as property. Republicans hate when you try to limit their property rights.
Parents who want their children educated inside their bubble can simply send them to private Christian schools. Are they just too cheap to pony up the tuition?
The party whose leadership — all the way up to the AG, the DOJ, the FBI, and POTUS — are actively breaking the law to protect pedophiles, is against a bill to protect children.
Colour me shocked (I think it's a shade of mauve).
I've seen home schooled children who were functionally illiterate and not remotely ready for college. The idea parents who are not remotely qualified to teach are always going to do a good job is absurd. At some point, children have rights too and no parent has the right to brainwash a child instead of educating them.
Republicans are opposed to oversight regarding homeschooling, eh? Apparently, laissez faire education is a hill they want to die on, and children's well-being be damned? Once again, I would suspect that this attitude would continue until their own kids were impacted by abuse.
But abuse in their own homes and by their own hands? DAMN.
They want mindless drones for Trump and his fascists. Too bad for them that Orangey is fading fast.
I wonder what the reaction would be if we suggested getting rid of background checks on public school teachers.
One minimal standard should be this: Is the parent a qualified teacher? Do they have teaching credentials? If not, they should be barred from teaching their children (for reasons that should be obvious).
I’m with you. Also, I had teaching credentials when my firstborn was a toddler and I still wasn’t the best person to teach them. Granted they taught themselves to read by age 4, and was a wiz at math after just a simple explanation of how numbers worked. But I was unable to plan lessons for them that were engaging or keep them on track because I was their safe person and they did the misbehave for me. I was also not rained enough to recognize their autism and ADHD by myself. I was qualified to teach a classroom, but unable to teach my child by myself. I did have K-12 training as an art teacher, which is different from an early childhood educator, or an elementary teacher, or a secondary education teacher. Each type of educator is specialized, and has perfected skills that apply at different times in child development. Parents can homeschool well, but to actually do it well they need other adults supporting them. That’s why there are homeschool programs that connect parents and offer classes for this group. Those homeschool parents that want to do it all on their own, tend to be the parents most likely to abuse.
What's that line? It takes a village to raise a child?
This is one saying I've been thinking about a lot over the years. And I think it applies universally. In your case you realised that you needed other people with a different skillset to help raise your child, it also applies to homeschool families.
♫It might be fun to have a kid that I could kick around
A little me to fill up with my thoughts
A little me or he or she to fill up with my dreams
A way of saying life is not a loss
I'd keep the tyke away from school and tutor him myself
Keep him from the poison of the crowd
But then again pristine isolation might not be the best idea
It's not good trying to immortalize yourself
Beginning of a great adventure♫
-Lou Reed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xalFV9CcyRQ&list=RDxalFV9CcyRQ&start_radio=1
♫♪ And as I hung up the phone it occurred to me, / He'd grown up just like me. My boy was just like me. ♪♫
-- Harry Chapin, "Cat's in the Cradle"
So their argument is “not all homeschooling parents”?
Well, no not all and no one said all, but there are obviously plenty of them. That argument doesn’t work for other instances, not all men, not all white people, not all Fords (ha), why would it work for homeschool parents?
Remember the Turpins? They homeschooled, well not really but they were considered a homeschool family, and look at what heinous crimes they committed against n their children. Homeschooling opens the door to make that kind of abuse easier to perpetrate. And plenty of abusive parents realize this.
If you aren’t doing anything wrong, it shouldn’t be a big deal to have a little oversight. Parents might have rights, but they do not have more rights than their children. They also have responsibilities that override certain parental rights. Parents who resist this one rule often see their children more as property than people and are the ones most likely to need the oversight.
"Such a broad attack on parental rights is blatantly unconstitutional."
The law sounds quite narrow, actually, and there is nothing about "parental rights" in The Constitution.
Authoritarians will always fight tooth and claw against attempts to hold them accountable for their actions.
𝐼𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑟𝑒𝑠 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑓𝑎𝑚𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑠𝑢𝑏𝑚𝑖𝑡 𝑎 𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚 𝑒𝑥𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑖𝑛𝑔 ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑘𝑖𝑑𝑠 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑏𝑒 𝑒𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑑 (𝑒.𝑔. 𝑝𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑐 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙, 𝑝𝑟𝑖𝑣𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙, ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔, 𝑒𝑡𝑐), 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑖𝑡 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑠 𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡𝑜 ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑘𝑖𝑑𝑠 𝑚𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑏𝑒 “𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑖𝑛𝑣𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑔𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑏𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐷𝑒𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝐶ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝐹𝑎𝑚𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑎𝑛 𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑔𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑓 𝑎𝑏𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑜𝑟 𝑛𝑒𝑔𝑙𝑒𝑐𝑡.”
So, telling the State government that you plan to homeschool, and have no open investigation into alleged abuse or neglect is an onerous burden to the party claiming they want to protect children. Right. And I have some oceanfront property in Topeka for sale.
How, exactly, does not telling the government where you plan to send your kids to school protect those children from abuse? How, exactly, does not being under investigation for abuse fail to protect children? They don't really care about protecting children. They just want to prevent their children from learning anything outside their abusive bubble.
Just for clarification, I take it Topeka is miles away from a beach?
As regards your other point, do you remember the issue about Obamacare and contraception, where religious employers could limit their insurance coverage for reproductive healthcare by submitting a simple form? An arrangement which had been constructed to provide a balance between the (medical) needs of employees and the (religious) views of the employers. And yet, some employers still felt put upon and sued.
Jesus had something to say about those who cause chuldren to stumble. It involved millstones.
Who makes millstones anymore? They’ve gone the way of the buggy whip.
And coal-powered power plants.
Are still common in China, India and elsewhere.
Unfortunately, there is an insufficient granite supply to make the necessary number of millstones.
Gneiss.
They are really not very gneiss. They arereactionary christians.
And no I’m not stoned.
Eh, we can substitute concrete. Jesus substituted bread and wine for body and blood.
Which is a shame because there is plenty of child labor available to do the hard and dangerous work.
Child labour is common in the production of recreational drugs such as cocaine and tobacco.
The GOP/MAGA calls those "milestones".
"Homeschooling can work. There are religious and secular parents who do it very well. But there’s no way to tell if it’s working unless there’s a system in place to verify it."
This type of nuance is so important. I was homeschooled my entire life until the age of 18, by highly religious parents. We had quarterly check-ins with our area education agency where they would review coursework and grades, and then we still took standardized testing through the local school district. I consistently tested at or above the average student in our district, and went on to get a college education after high school. All of that is specifically *because* home schooling was the best option for me academically, and my parents recognized that and put in the work to make it beneficial. I got really lucky. These people who try to isolate and indoctrinate their children give homeschooling such a bad reputation. Any time my education comes up in conversation I have to make qualifying statements so people don't think I'm crazy or uneducated.
“ Parents are not subjects—they are citizens—and they do not need the permission of this state government or anyone in this room to educate their own children.”
But funny, when it comes to transgender kids, they believe that the state can step in at any time and have a bunch of former grocery clerks and accountants make medical decisions for families.
Government can step in at any time and disallow access to Books that certain people don’t like, on subjects they don’t like, concerning issues that they neither understand nor like
Why, if they didn’t have double standards, their standards would be TrumpIan and reactionary christian.
“Parents are not subjects—they are citizens—and they do not need the permission of this state government or anyone in this room to educate their own children.”
Parents aren’t subjects, but apparently their children are.
Children aren't subjects. For these parents they are property.
This freakout over protecting children shows all of their true colors. They view children as property. Republicans hate when you try to limit their property rights.
Authoritarians will always viciously fight and claw against any attempt at accountability on themselves
There's another angle to be considered.
Parents who want their children educated inside their bubble can simply send them to private Christian schools. Are they just too cheap to pony up the tuition?