How twisted does your thinking have to be to come to the conclusion a tiny cluster of non-viable cells with no chance of survival, has more value than the mother? The Church’s position on contraception does not elevate the status of life, . . . it trivializes it. Throw in a slew of pedophile priests and I do not know why membership in that church isn't down to zero.
It looks as if what the lady was saying was a truthful retelling of events. Truth is a (successful!) defence against a claim of defamation.
But it seems that this is not actually a serious case, it's a SLAPP, it's intimidation to get her to agree to an NDA and stop her from talking about her case.
I know what you mean acronyms are tricky, I’m fluent in medical terminology so when I see the bank RBC my first thought is “red blood cells”, not royal Bank of Canada.
Religious based hospitals and health care are literally just scams to avoid paying taxes and being categorized as a "Charity Hospital" when , the one near me for example only spends 1-2% a year on actual charity care. The rest is funnelled for profit.
REALLY??? I would LOVE to know how many ectopic pregnancies have resulted in live births, how many had to be aborted and JUST HOW MANY resulted in THE DEATH OF THE PROSPECTIVE MOTHER. I can't escape the feeling that the first number borders on ZERO, if not utterly no such events. The second is what SHOULD be happening the vast majority (if not the entirety!) of the time, and the third is what we get when religion or politics gets in the way of women's health care.
Frankly, Ms Perrone should sue Advocate Good Shepherd Hospital and Dr. Coll into oblivion. This business came within a whisker of resembling what happened to Savita Halappanavar in Ireland, and that should have been a lesson to EVERY Catholic hospital worldwide. On top of that, if any criminal charges can be determined for the above two parties, they should be exercised.
This crap has gone on too damned long. It is well past time a stop was put to it.
The hospital should be paying for all of Ms Perrone's gynecological care for the rest of her life (including IVF treatments) and Dr Coll should have her medical license revoked nationwide. Dr Coll should also go to jail for medical negligence.
I'd go so far as to label it malpractice. She certainly did not do what she was trained was standard of care. The fallopian tube does not have the stretch capacity to allow an embryo to begin to develop.
All these state antiabortion laws are the result of 50 years of religious authoritarianism being written into laws which are killing women. They were written by legislators who were largely men with no medical training and no clue whatsoever just how quickly a pregnancy can turn pathological. They are turning pregnant women into a medically underserved class because Jeebus! A fallopian tube lacks both the elasticity and the blood supply to sustain a pregnancy - if a fetus grew to any size at all, the walls would be paper thin.
The only currently successful treatment for an ectopic pregnancy past the embryo stage is removal of the tissue, which is naturally a termination. Physicians worthy of the name will assure you there is no 'moving' such a pregnancy to a more appropriate location.
Interesting note from Wikipedia: "No technique exists to re-implant an ectopic embryo in the uterus – all interventions, whether surgical or pharmaceutical, result in the termination of the ectopic pregnancy. Published reports that a reimplanted embryo survived to birth were debunked as false." * Clearly, someone is willing to lie on this subject.
There was that story about a year or so ago of an evangelical forced birther who had an ectopic pregnancy in her c-section scar and was able to give birth. There have been maybe one or two where the egg didn’t go into the fallopian tube but was still fertilized and grew in an abdominal cavity next to the uterus, born via c-section by necessity. But the fallopian ectopic pregnancies are always doomed.
That would make her wealthier than Elon Musk. I approve of making the richest person on the planet a young woman from Chicagoland over the South African Nazi.
People should know by now not to trust catholic hospitals, especially in emergency situations. They will ALWAYS prioritize their dogma over patient welfare. It doesn't matter if you're a young woman dealing with ectopic pregnancy or an elderly patient facing end-of-life. My late MIL, a life-long catholic BTW, made all of her adult children swear they would never move her to a catholic-run hospital - she didn't trust them to follow HER wishes over their own. She was right.
I hope Ms. Perrone wins a gigantic settlement against the hospital and forces the IL medical board to take action against this incompetent doctor.
*Was*. It got bought out by the government and is now a public hospital and boy did I enjoy seeing them taking down the giant torture devices while the Religious Reich wailed like spoilt children.
The Catholic folks at Advocate Good Shepherd need to thoroughly read their bibles. Never once in any scripture is abortion condemned. It is, in fact, practiced in abominable ways by its deity, that deity’s followers, its armies and its priests.
As well as Hosea 13:16 where the bellies of pregnant women are cut open by by an invading army’s swords doing their deity’s “work” of punishing “disobedient” people.
Because they got them under false pretenses, they promise to give best care, then once they get that license, decide they are god and know better then centuries of knowledge.
Originally, the evilgelicals were pretty meh about abortion until they realized women were having sex outside of marriage and then they hooked up with the RCC and went ballistic on it.
To the all christers that read this site and comment and those that lurk here, especially the ones that will chime: "This is terrible or this shouldn't have happened, or I don't condone this" , you do condone it and enable this behavior and assault on human rights and values every day by remaining in a cult that premises its actions on magical thinking and non-reality.
AI says “Catholic hospitals account for approximately 15% to 16% of all hospitals in the United States. This represents more than 600 facilities nationwide. Because these facilities are often larger than average, they care for an estimated one in six hospitalized patients in the U.S. each year.”
There needs to be a deliberate effort to drive those percentages way down. The RCC keeps showing that it is not a responsible care provider.
I worked in a national Catholic healthcare organization in a non-clinical area. The stories I could tell you. They had their not for profit status challenged due to the number of for profit ventures. They also had/have a way of sucking their acquired hospitals dry then selling them. The controlling orgs are not what people think; they are very corporate.
In South Carolina, a miscarrying woman was denied a D&C for weeks because they had to make sure the fetus had no heartbeat after repeatedly confirming there was no heartbeat.
And she is far from the only one Jessica Valenti's Abortion every day substack covers that and there are tons of them. I believe they are up to over 500 women, arrested for miscarriages since Dobbs .
Religious based AKA fantasy based/supported hospitals should NOT exist. Populate these hospitals with science only MDs. I hope this hospital is sued out of business..turn it over to reality based only.
How twisted does your thinking have to be to come to the conclusion a tiny cluster of non-viable cells with no chance of survival, has more value than the mother? The Church’s position on contraception does not elevate the status of life, . . . it trivializes it. Throw in a slew of pedophile priests and I do not know why membership in that church isn't down to zero.
The Church's position on contraception was never about maximizing the number of babies that are born. It has always been about controlling women.
Both. Faith organisations want their members to have large families to pass their delusions to the next generation.
Cash flow is part of the equation. Keeping the numbers in the pews up keeps the money flowing into church coffers.
It's all about the cash.
Aka Butts In Pews. Bips
https://www.robinmorgan.net/when-the-vatican-thought-abortion-was-moral/
As I wrote above, when abortion was legal my catholic doctor refused to remove a dead fetus from my body. I fired him.
If dr. Coll doesn't like negative comments about her unprofessional conduct, maybe she should have acted in a professional way.
Quack quacking about being called a quack.
It looks as if what the lady was saying was a truthful retelling of events. Truth is a (successful!) defence against a claim of defamation.
But it seems that this is not actually a serious case, it's a SLAPP, it's intimidation to get her to agree to an NDA and stop her from talking about her case.
The ADF will no doubt get involved at some point.
Every time I see this abbreviation I think of the Australian Army, also known as the ADF. 🤣
I know what you mean acronyms are tricky, I’m fluent in medical terminology so when I see the bank RBC my first thought is “red blood cells”, not royal Bank of Canada.
Many people use acronyms that aren't understood by their audience, falling into an x2t. You can avoid falling into an x2t by using fewer acronyms.
X2t stands for "XKCD 2501 trap."
https://xkcd.com/2501/
She should win enough money to put them out of business. No religious funded hospitals should exist anyway!
At the very least they should be required to provide all necessary/needed medical care.
Religious based hospitals and health care are literally just scams to avoid paying taxes and being categorized as a "Charity Hospital" when , the one near me for example only spends 1-2% a year on actual charity care. The rest is funnelled for profit.
“𝑊𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑤𝑒𝑖𝑔ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑖𝑓𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑏𝑎𝑏𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑖𝑓𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑚𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟.”
REALLY??? I would LOVE to know how many ectopic pregnancies have resulted in live births, how many had to be aborted and JUST HOW MANY resulted in THE DEATH OF THE PROSPECTIVE MOTHER. I can't escape the feeling that the first number borders on ZERO, if not utterly no such events. The second is what SHOULD be happening the vast majority (if not the entirety!) of the time, and the third is what we get when religion or politics gets in the way of women's health care.
Frankly, Ms Perrone should sue Advocate Good Shepherd Hospital and Dr. Coll into oblivion. This business came within a whisker of resembling what happened to Savita Halappanavar in Ireland, and that should have been a lesson to EVERY Catholic hospital worldwide. On top of that, if any criminal charges can be determined for the above two parties, they should be exercised.
This crap has gone on too damned long. It is well past time a stop was put to it.
The hospital should be paying for all of Ms Perrone's gynecological care for the rest of her life (including IVF treatments) and Dr Coll should have her medical license revoked nationwide. Dr Coll should also go to jail for medical negligence.
I'd go so far as to label it malpractice. She certainly did not do what she was trained was standard of care. The fallopian tube does not have the stretch capacity to allow an embryo to begin to develop.
Go one step further, file criminal charges for willfully endangering someone's life! Fuck religions and their death cult beliefs!🤪
Agree, their primitive nonsense flies in the face of medical advances.
All these state antiabortion laws are the result of 50 years of religious authoritarianism being written into laws which are killing women. They were written by legislators who were largely men with no medical training and no clue whatsoever just how quickly a pregnancy can turn pathological. They are turning pregnant women into a medically underserved class because Jeebus! A fallopian tube lacks both the elasticity and the blood supply to sustain a pregnancy - if a fetus grew to any size at all, the walls would be paper thin.
The only currently successful treatment for an ectopic pregnancy past the embryo stage is removal of the tissue, which is naturally a termination. Physicians worthy of the name will assure you there is no 'moving' such a pregnancy to a more appropriate location.
Interesting note from Wikipedia: "No technique exists to re-implant an ectopic embryo in the uterus – all interventions, whether surgical or pharmaceutical, result in the termination of the ectopic pregnancy. Published reports that a reimplanted embryo survived to birth were debunked as false." * Clearly, someone is willing to lie on this subject.
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectopic_pregnancy#Prognosis
I propose we reimplant all ectopic embryos in the bodies of forced-birth politicians.
That would be at least interesting, if it were possible. The last I knew, the technology to do so doesn't exist, at least not yet!
With current technology, it will not result in a successful pregnancy, but it will annoy forced-birth politicians.
That by itself is worth SOMETHING, at least! 😁
One.
A woman in a northern Australian city gave birth to a healthy baby girl after a rare full-term ectopic pregnancy, a hospital official said Friday."
https://howwebecameafamily.com/has-an-ectopic-pregnancy-ever-resulted-in-a-baby-surviving.html
I'd bet you a cup of coffee that said pregnancy was not a Fallopian ectopic pregnancy. If it was, then hen's teeth are common by comparison.
Funny you say that, I'm currently sitting in a Tarbucks.
So THAT's where you 💻 from. Enjoy that cuppa.
I start here and then move to the library.
I should say a library, not 𝒕𝒉𝒆 library.
https://thelibrarystpete.com/
A friend thought that that was a library rather than a restaurant.
Ectopic simply means "outside the uterus", there are many locations that can occur including scar tissue creases.
There was that story about a year or so ago of an evangelical forced birther who had an ectopic pregnancy in her c-section scar and was able to give birth. There have been maybe one or two where the egg didn’t go into the fallopian tube but was still fertilized and grew in an abdominal cavity next to the uterus, born via c-section by necessity. But the fallopian ectopic pregnancies are always doomed.
Yes. That was the nutbar I was referring to. Can’t be arsed to remember the name because they are all interchangeable to me.
Abortion bans actively harm women. Full stop.
Yeah that is a feature, not bug to them.
This is the same religion that made Teresa, the Ghoul of Kolkata, a saint.
Sue the bastards for every penny they've got.
That would make her wealthier than Elon Musk. I approve of making the richest person on the planet a young woman from Chicagoland over the South African Nazi.
People should know by now not to trust catholic hospitals, especially in emergency situations. They will ALWAYS prioritize their dogma over patient welfare. It doesn't matter if you're a young woman dealing with ectopic pregnancy or an elderly patient facing end-of-life. My late MIL, a life-long catholic BTW, made all of her adult children swear they would never move her to a catholic-run hospital - she didn't trust them to follow HER wishes over their own. She was right.
I hope Ms. Perrone wins a gigantic settlement against the hospital and forces the IL medical board to take action against this incompetent doctor.
Our biggest local hospital was Catholic.
*Was*. It got bought out by the government and is now a public hospital and boy did I enjoy seeing them taking down the giant torture devices while the Religious Reich wailed like spoilt children.
Awesome news! 🥂
The Catholic folks at Advocate Good Shepherd need to thoroughly read their bibles. Never once in any scripture is abortion condemned. It is, in fact, practiced in abominable ways by its deity, that deity’s followers, its armies and its priests.
They need to have Numbers 5:11-31 rubbed in their noses until they can't escape the smell.
As well as Hosea 13:16 where the bellies of pregnant women are cut open by by an invading army’s swords doing their deity’s “work” of punishing “disobedient” people.
Oh, and that big flood.
And dashing already born infant's heads against rocks, that is post natal abortion.
Don't forget the flood that killed every pregnant woman except the ones with Noah's incest-babies in their bellies.
I just don't get why they got licenses allowing them to malpractice health care. Or more correct "death care".
Because they got them under false pretenses, they promise to give best care, then once they get that license, decide they are god and know better then centuries of knowledge.
They are so pro-life that they destroyed her fertility?
Demonstrating once again that the "pro-life" position has never been about preserving life but about controlling women.
Originally, the evilgelicals were pretty meh about abortion until they realized women were having sex outside of marriage and then they hooked up with the RCC and went ballistic on it.
Tell Mr. G that please, he was man-splaining the history I lived through on the frontlines. As did you.
Well, see, now she just has no value at all to them. Acceptable losses, and all that.
*𝘣𝘢𝘳𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘯𝘰𝘪𝘴𝘦𝘴*
"Pro-life?"
I don't think so!
Pro-DOGMA. And ANTI-FEMININE AGENCY!
The accurate terminology is: Pro-forced-birth.
Pro-misery. Pro-suffering. Pro-misogyny. Pro-domination.
If God was (o is Pro-life... nobody should die... Right?
Yep, there would be no murders or executions. I'm looking at you,ron denazi.
I can't wait until after Nov when he is a lame duck.
To the all christers that read this site and comment and those that lurk here, especially the ones that will chime: "This is terrible or this shouldn't have happened, or I don't condone this" , you do condone it and enable this behavior and assault on human rights and values every day by remaining in a cult that premises its actions on magical thinking and non-reality.
I hope her lawsuit is very successful.
AI says “Catholic hospitals account for approximately 15% to 16% of all hospitals in the United States. This represents more than 600 facilities nationwide. Because these facilities are often larger than average, they care for an estimated one in six hospitalized patients in the U.S. each year.”
There needs to be a deliberate effort to drive those percentages way down. The RCC keeps showing that it is not a responsible care provider.
It isn't just the number of hospitals they own, it's the number of people whose only choice for a hospital is one they own.
I’ve read about that too. You make a good point.
It is part of the forced-birther plan, they keep buying up struggling secular hospitals.
I worked in a national Catholic healthcare organization in a non-clinical area. The stories I could tell you. They had their not for profit status challenged due to the number of for profit ventures. They also had/have a way of sucking their acquired hospitals dry then selling them. The controlling orgs are not what people think; they are very corporate.
Tax religion out of existence.
Don’t disagree and…. that will be one tall hill to climb.
𝐴𝑛𝑡𝑖-𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑟𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑒𝑥𝑡𝑟𝑒𝑚𝑖𝑠𝑚 𝑑𝑜𝑒𝑠𝑛’𝑡 𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑝 𝑎𝑡 𝑒𝑙𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑟𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠. 𝐼𝑡 𝑖𝑛𝑒𝑣𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑦 𝑎𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑠 𝑚𝑖𝑠𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑟𝑖𝑎𝑔𝑒𝑠, 𝑒𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑔𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑦 𝑚𝑒𝑑𝑖𝑐𝑖𝑛𝑒, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑛 𝑡𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑡𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑜𝑝𝑖𝑐 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑔𝑛𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒’𝑠 𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑛𝑜 𝑣𝑖𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑓𝑒𝑡𝑢𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑠𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑑𝑒𝑙𝑎𝑦 𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑐𝑜𝑠𝑡 𝑎 𝑤𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑛 ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑙𝑖𝑓𝑒.
In South Carolina, a miscarrying woman was denied a D&C for weeks because they had to make sure the fetus had no heartbeat after repeatedly confirming there was no heartbeat.
https://people.com/south-carolina-woman-claims-she-was-denied-medical-assistant-after-miscarriage-11997767
That's what happened to Savita. Apparently one of the nurses told her that 'we're a christian/catholic country'.
And she is far from the only one Jessica Valenti's Abortion every day substack covers that and there are tons of them. I believe they are up to over 500 women, arrested for miscarriages since Dobbs .
If saving a woman’s life disturbs your moral conscience, do not become a doctor.
Fucking thank you!
Religious based AKA fantasy based/supported hospitals should NOT exist. Populate these hospitals with science only MDs. I hope this hospital is sued out of business..turn it over to reality based only.