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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Pernicious much? The Texas public schools are likely suffering for lack of funding as it is, but to provide a poisoned incentive to get faculty to go for it is damned low. Seems as though the smart teachers have worked around the fact that this is the bible we're talking about and using the teaching materials in as secular a way as is possible.

That doesn't change the fact that we're dealing in an underhanded effort here, and it deserves to be called out. Thanks again, Hemant!

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

What else do these valueless pricks have to offer as inducement other than 💰? Not a muthafuckin’ thing.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

And the kkkrister teachers are gleefully using it.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Time to start teaching the scientific fact of evolution from the pulpit in Texass.

Sauce for the goose.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Throw in the Big Bang theory while you're at it!

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Joe King's avatar

Gotta start with Newtonian mechanics. They have been denying science for so long they need the absolute basics.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Good point. I had a lot of fun with "frictionless" tables and wave ponds in my high school physics class!

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Just don’t tell xtians about the dark side of Newton’s Christian beliefs. He didn’t believe in the Trinity or Jesus’ so-called divinity. And he was deeply involved in alchemy for most of his life. Had he made his personal views known, xtians would have branded him a heretic.

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

There is no dark side of Newton’s Christian beliefs. As a matter of fact, they're all dark.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Blerg. Had to study them in 8th grade, not as fun as chemistry or geology.

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

I'll take physics over chemistry any day.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

In France, chemistry, physics, geology, optics, theory of electricity were all mandatory.

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Whitney's avatar

And they should be mandatory here in the US, as well. I'm sick of curriculum being made 'easy' because we won't pay for actual education in this country; STEM subjects should not be cut for more police and prisons.

And since we're here, I can think of several billionaires who can pay for it, too. Freaking politicians letting the wealthy skip their share.

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Chris Titchmarsh's avatar

And teach chemistry with the four elements.

https://youtu.be/AcS3NOQnsQM?si=jy47SlSNP1mGeIRu

Has the long and short versions

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Straw's avatar

But but it is ONLY a THEORY!!!

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Chris Titchmarsh's avatar

They can also explain that evolution is the reason life is so suited to its environment.

Most people, not just religious, think it is the other way round. That the environment is perfectly suited to life. Certainly the creationists think that.

The scientific answer to why is something special is almost always that it isn't. Evolution states that all the time. If it ran the last say 100 million years again with the slightest change then none of the current species would exist.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

100 million years! How is that possible when the xtian world is but 6000 years old?

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Chris Titchmarsh's avatar

That is the part of the theory called Pre-Creation Evolution.

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Die Anyway's avatar

AI says: "Pre-creation evolution" isn't a standard scientific or widely accepted theological term, but it can refer to two distinct concepts: Pre-Adamite theories, which propose a prior creation or population before Adam and Eve to account for prehistoric humans and ancient civilizations, and Theistic evolution, which suggests God used the process of evolution to create life over long periods, a process that would have involved the evolution of life on Earth before the appearance of humans.

Neither of which make the Adam and Eve story realistic or remotely believable.

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Chris Titchmarsh's avatar

I made that term up. Sounds like AI did the same.

The creationists do specialise in shoehorns for size 600 feet.

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Die Anyway's avatar

Even so, I was fairly impressed by AI for coming up with two Christian arguments that generally applied. I'm not at all impressed by the arguments themselves.

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Boreal's avatar

"Write legibly in cursive."

Everything is bigger in Texas, including the stupid.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Sko Hayes's avatar

I read somewhere that half of kids today can't write in cursive and many can't read it.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

I was required to learn cursive, and many classes required it to be used in hand-written assignments up through middle school. In high school, that requirement went away; I stopped using cursive then and there and by now I haven't used it in about a quarter of a century, except for signatures.

Turns out cursive does not play nice with my dyslexia. It takes me longer to write, despite the whole point of the form being to make writing faster, because the faster I write the more mistakes I end up with. It also takes me significantly longer to read than plain text with- and this is the important part, for me- 𝘴𝘱𝘢𝘤𝘦𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘵𝘸𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘦𝘵𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴. Another issue is that cursive tends to exacerbate the illegibility of bad handwriting when your brain is already inclined to mix up similar-looking loops and squiggles; the more of a hurry the writer was in, the more similar those loops and squiggles are going to be.

Is it a useful thing to know? Sure. Plenty of people still write in cursive script, and you'd be up shit creek trying to decipher what they've written if you haven't been taught about it. But there are also good reasons why it it's fallen out of favor, and the modern prevalence of typing over handwriting is only one of them.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Well and thoughtfully put, Joan!

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Sko Hayes's avatar

My writing now as a 68 year old is combination of both block and cursive, and mostly illegible!!

But as you noted, there is very little writing to do these days, my endless lists and post it notes, but other than that, everything is typed! At least my typing classes came in handy. :)

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Joan the Dork's avatar

I grew up with a pair of medical professionals, and I had a side-hustle as a writing tutor in college; I've seen handwriting that would make your eyes bleed. Mine isn't great, but... it gets the point across.

I prefer the 𝘧𝘦𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨 of handwriting, when my stupid wrist isn't hurting too bad for it, but when I have to write anything of significant length, I'd rather type. It's easier to correct the inevitable errors without the end result being 10% scratch-outs by page area (pencil is out of the question; graphite 𝘴𝘤𝘳𝘢-𝘢-𝘢-𝘢-𝘢-𝘢𝘱𝘪𝘯𝘨 across paper is right up there with nails on chalkboard for me).

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

A LOT of schools simply aren't teaching it anymore. I learned cursive in 2nd grade, fer petesake!

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Sko Hayes's avatar

I remember that too!

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

It was still teached in the 80's. I started first grade already knowing how to write, courtesy of DM 😁

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John Smith's avatar

A lot of average Christian nationalists can’t read beyond the level of: A cat sat on a mat, which makes the Christian nationalist unable to understand the complexity and nuances of how the world works!

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Len's avatar

But if they had a mat and a cat, then they could (feel like they) rule the world.

Cats make (almost) everything good.

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John Smith's avatar

True, I rather have a cat rule the world, then have any elite member of the Christian nationalist have them hold the reins of rulership!

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Len's avatar

Agreed. Cats are nice to their staff. CN’s less so.

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John Smith's avatar

Cats are smarter than the average MAGAS!

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Sko Hayes's avatar

Give a cat a fish, and he will eat for a day.

Teach a cat to fish, and he will sit on the dock all day, pouting because no one gave him another fish.

;D

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

Teach a cat to fish and she’ll jump up on top of the tank, drink some water, then jump to the shelf where we put all the delicate stuff to keep out of her reach.

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Hannah's avatar

Teach a cat to fish.

hahaha hahahaha.

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Boreal's avatar

Many schools no longer teach it.

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avis piscivorus's avatar

I learned how to write legibly, and also learned how to write in cursive. I never managed to do both at the same time.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

I work with a kid, she’s 25, who prints all wrong. She draws her e’s by making the top curve, then doing the straight line then the bottom curve. It often looks like an a and I have a difficult time deciphering her handwriting.

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Matri's avatar

I never managed both, period.

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John Roberts's avatar

"including the stupid" Unfortunately you "can't fix stupid." 🤣

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oraxx's avatar

Do these Republicans have even a passing familiarity with the Constitution? If they did they would know our secular government cannot choose one religion over another. The public schools are sub-divisions of government. Why is it ever acceptable to present things as facts to children that an educated adult was most likely reject if hearing them for the first time? This is an open admission as to just how weak their arguments are that they have to get to children before they've reached the age of reason.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

Of course they have a passing familiarity with the Constitution!

Well, some of them do, anyway.

It'd be awful fucking hard to violate 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘭𝘦 𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘦 in the bloody thing, with such incredible consistency, if 𝘯𝘰𝘯𝘦 of them had ever read it.

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Len's avatar

Sounds like a miracle.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

The Constitution means just what they choose it to mean — neither more nor less.

Apologies to Lewis Carroll.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Pretty basic philosophy. Teach the children in their formative age the fantasies created by desperate men. This probably works 99% of the time, else there would no longer be “mega churches.”

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Whitney's avatar

Weaponized Christianity strikes again.

The dishonesty here is what bothers me the most. Christians know they have no actual case for including their religious text in public school classrooms, so they're working a end-run around the rules to do it anyway. Then, these same folks turn right around and claim they're more ethical and moral than the rest of humanity because they're Christians 𝑑𝑒𝑠𝑝𝑖𝑡𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑢𝑠 𝑙𝑒𝑠𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛 𝑎 𝑏𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑡ℎ 𝑎𝑔𝑜. I guess it's okay to deliberately deceive anyone who isn't white, male, wealthy, cisgender, heterosexual, and Christian, then?

Maybe folks would trust Christians more if they'd stop making grabby-hands at kids and lying to the public about it.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Teh bibel is a false history overflowing with manufactured people, places and events. It no more belongs in a public school classroom than does the Book of Mormon.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

I agree with Hemant that it DOES belong as a literary referent, but THAT is as far as it goes. If it were to be used in a public school setting, I would say Introduce it at the high school level, with the understanding that its use was purely for subsequent authors and poets who made reference to bible passages in their works.

Otherwise, the bible has NO PLACE in public schools.

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ericc's avatar

The annoying thing is that Texas could easily have been fundie-inclusive while getting it right, but they still chose to get it wrong. "Pick one of King's literary references, and explain it" would have been a great assignment, open to everyone, and all the little bible kids could've chosen the biblical one. But no, they have to force the kids to read the story even if a kid would rather look up Brown vs. BoE or Socrates or heck even Roman traditions of throwing criminals to lions.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

History too, some parts can be used and compared with other sources (Egypt, Mesopotamian kingdoms, Hittites, Rome) to debunk the notion that it's an accurate history chronicle.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

The way US-ian literature courses tend to be structured at the high school level- teaching one specific interpretation of a text as authoritative, rather than encouraging deep analysis and teaching students how to form their 𝘰𝘸𝘯 interpretation of it- the Bible is best left to college-level instruction.

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Hannah's avatar

If it's allowed at all, it shouldn't stand alone. Learning the basic tenets of the big 5 maybe.

Nah, art history. Nah, leave it for college, not public school.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

The Golden Plates are worthy!

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John Roberts's avatar

"Book of Mormon" See you on planet Kolob 🤣

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Might be a bit hot. According to LDS theology, Kolob is a star and not a planet. It is supposed to be star nearest to the Throne of God.

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John Roberts's avatar

I stand corrected, somewhere I read it described as a planet. A planet where a Mormon man and his family waits for his God to give him his own planet to rule. They must have interpreted a place to be a planet. 😆

Thanks

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Joe King's avatar

𝑊ℎ𝑦 𝑑𝑖𝑑 𝐾𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑏𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑢𝑝 𝐵𝑟𝑜𝑤𝑛 𝑣. 𝐵𝑜𝑎𝑟𝑑 𝑜𝑓 𝐸𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛?

Arguably this is one of the most important references by Dr King. At the time it was very recent history and showed the South that they were violating the law of the land. Putting King in jail for telling them that is one reason for using it.

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dammit barry's avatar

I did manage to et up 3 flights of stairs. My visiting nurse got all else up here.

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John Smith's avatar

Welcome back!!! We were worried about you, but we are glad you are back!

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dammit barry's avatar

I R BACK! FWIW. July 23 visiting nurse found wet gangrene on right foot. By midnight I was on the table withdoc sawbones removing my little to and part of the foot. That was the easy part. I spent wereks on heavy antiiotics. If I at a bit of food i would shit. I shit so much I saw a hot dfog I ate in grade school. Then fighting iwithinsurance to get into rehab ciz I was so weak. I am now on a wo9und vc and a walker. But I am here.

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

"I am here."

I noticed. Welcome back.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Welcome back, good to see you again!!! 😁

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Maltnothops's avatar

Hey, welcome back. We wuz worried about you.

Your experience sounds horrible. Your healing was probably due to all our thoughts and prayers. 😀

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dammit barry's avatar

The hardest was being so weak I was like a baby. SSitting up in a chair for an houyr was agony.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Sorry to hear all you've gone through but glad you made it.

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dammit barry's avatar

Lost several pounds but gained most back in rehab. They did feed me well

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Whitney's avatar

Sorry you went through that, but so glad to see you back! Take care of yourself, and have a internet hug from me.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

Yeeeee-𝘪𝘬𝘦𝘴! Sounds like you've been through the wringer.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Welcome back, old friend.

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LaurenAZGoodGirl's avatar

In the summer of 2012, having spent two years as a digital publishing senior project manager for Pearson Digital Education, I was handed a supposed promotion to program director for two new Texas education agency driven programs, one in science and the other in mathematics, for high school grades 9 through 12. It was going to be a huge project, driven primarily by Texas, but which was going to be bought by 20+ other states riding on Texas coattails. I went home thought it over very carefully, and ended up negotiating a different position, declining the one they were trying to give me. After completing a couple of ongoing projects, I was given a few smaller ones, with a more hands-on technical role, but after about three months, Pearson decided to cancel my contract as it were. I knew that Texas project was going to be a shit show, and I heard later from those I left behind that it became one, truly a bullet I had dodged. But I just could not in good conscience be involved in something I knew was going to be politically and religious driven, given it was for Texas. Sometimes a promotion is great, and sometimes it is a death sentence. So glad I avoided that, which resulted in me going down a better (if not the best paying) path first to nonprofits, and then into state government in Arizona, ending up in a position I loved the most out of my entire career, from which I am now gratefully retired. I learned a few important things in my two years in digital publishing, one of which was how to say no, and walk away.

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wreck's avatar

How about a lesson on the Epstein Files and the fact that tRump's name is all over them?

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

That's probably AP material for Texas, if they're willing to handle it at all!

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Joe King's avatar

𝑊ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑠𝑘 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑧𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑜𝑡𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑐𝑟𝑎𝑓𝑡 𝑎 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑐𝑢𝑟𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑢𝑙𝑢𝑚, 𝑤𝑒 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑𝑛’𝑡 𝑏𝑒 𝑠𝑢𝑟𝑝𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑑𝑢𝑚𝑏 𝑖𝑡 𝑑𝑜𝑤𝑛 𝑠𝑜 𝑚𝑢𝑐ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑣𝑒𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑛 𝑒𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑠 𝑟𝑒𝑓𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑤𝑎𝑠𝑡𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠’ 𝑡𝑖𝑚𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑖𝑡.

Not surprised at all. They want to keep the majority ignorant and uneducated so they can better control. My brother the preacher isn't stupid, but i definitely have books on my shelf well above his reading level.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Your bro is a preacher, Joe? If so, we have “fucked up family” in common.

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Die Anyway's avatar

Funny how that works. My best friend is an atheist and his brother is a priest.

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Boreal's avatar

Pure speculation but I hope his obit is imminent.

https://ibb.co/1tvTc7Cq

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Joan the Dork's avatar

My liver may not survive the celebration after reading 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 obituary.

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

We have fireworks stands near us that are open year round, although how or why is not clear. I was driving by some of them recently and I had a strong urge to go in and get a couple of really big, noisy pieces. When the day comes, hopefully soon, I would go out and celebrate so everyone knew.

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Boreal's avatar

We keep a bottle of bubbly in the fridge at all times for that joyous occasion.

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Maltnothops's avatar

Excellent idea.

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larry parker's avatar

My birthday is coming up (15th). It would be a nice present.

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RegularJoe's avatar

Mine is the 7th.

It would make a lovely Labor Day present for millions of American working families.

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Maltnothops's avatar

You are a most impressive 14 year old!

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larry parker's avatar

1975 ; )

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NOGODZ20's avatar

May he soon close his eyes and mouth forever.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

I kinda want someone to record the 𝘱𝘢𝘯𝘪𝘤 in his beady, evil little eyes the moment he finally realizes he's done for- 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵'𝘥 be a mighty generous piece of schadenfreude I'd treasure for the rest of my days.

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

I can't remember where I read it, but someone said today I think, that he must be on his way out simply because he's never shut up for 5 days in a row since he was born.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Yup. It was a meme of Keith Olbermann saying that.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

To add: It was Boreal who posted said meme.

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John Smith's avatar

Unfortunately, JD Vance would step in the president’s position. Unless, the Christian Nationalist decide to have Elon Musk take it instead. The Christian nationalists won’t care about the rules of succession or the fact that Musk is a naturalize citizen. If the Christian nationalists think they can strengthen their grip on power with Musk, then the Christian nationalist will sideline Vance and go with Musk!

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RegularJoe's avatar

Trump is a cult of personality. The Trumpublican party may weaken with his passing. J.D. doesn't have the personality to feed the beast for long.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

VP Couchfucker has molested furniture with more personality than 𝘩𝘦 brings to the table.

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John Smith's avatar

That is why I think the regime will go for Musk instead! The average MAGAS will accept it because the clergy and the elite members of the Christian nationalist movement told them to accept it. The average MAGAS has the same understanding of the American constitution as they do as what is in their holy book or the history of Christianity itself.

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

I didn't think Musk was in good enough standing with the GOP right now.

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John Smith's avatar

Musk isn’t in good standing, but if the GOP thinks that Musk could strengthen their grip on power, then the GOP will swallow their dislike for Musk and put him into the position of president.

I would like to see the Christian nationalist party (formally the Republican Party) fractured with infighting trying to decide who should lead. The GOP may actually go with Vance, it is hard to tell what is going on inside the elite Christian nationalist movement. The average MAGAS will accept anyone who takes the leadership after Trump demise, because the average MAGAS has been conditioned from birth to accept whatever, whoever, that the clergy and the leadership tells them to accept!

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

My thought (hope) is that the GOP will completely tear itself apart when Trump dies.

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Maltnothops's avatar

It will be a power struggle. Vance, MTG, and who knows who else.

WaPo had a story a few days ago about the 8 parts of the Trump alliance.

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RegularJoe's avatar

He's ineligible to serve as POTUS. His ego wouldn't allow him to serve in any lesser capacity.

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John Smith's avatar

Normally, I would agree. However this Christian nationalist party doesn’t care about the constitution, or the rules within it. I hope you are right and the GOP doesn’t put in Musk. It is hard to say what the GOP would do!

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RegularJoe's avatar

That's one of the many things that would trigger a kinetic response, likely touching off an unCivil War.

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Boreal's avatar

He can’t control the kkkult.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

Hey, Republicans, look! We've found the groomers!

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Not a drag queen among them.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

I should 𝘩𝘰𝘱𝘦 not. The Queens I've met have had 𝘸𝘢𝘺 better taste.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Too bad Christian children have no place outside of school to learn about their bible and their religion.

Like their churches. And their Sunday schools. And their homes. And their bible camps.

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Die Anyway's avatar

And the Christian TV channels, radio stations, book stores, YouTube, podcasts. Why, it's getting to where you can't find anything Christian anywhere. ⛪

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Sean's avatar

Don't forget their Gawd Awful Movies.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

Shoot, you could find all of that in the space of one city block down there in Texas.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

32,352 religious organizations and churches in Texas. Compare and contrast with the number of hospitals in the Lone Brain Cell State (a mere 504). Something is seriously fucked up here.

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

Zardoz?

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NOGODZ20's avatar

"The penis is evil."

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

That's why I spank it.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Parle pour toi.

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Boreal's avatar

Stop! No. 🤣

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NOGODZ20's avatar

That's what people should have told all those involved in the making of Zardoz. ;)

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Daniel Rotter's avatar

John Boorman-director of one of the best movies of the 70's (Deliverance)...and, just two years later, one of the worst (the cinematic atrocity currently being discussed).

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NOGODZ20's avatar

His first outing as director? The feature film debut of the Dave Clark Five ("Catch Us If You Can," also known as "Having a Wild Weekend"). Who'da thunk it?

He also gave us "Excalibur" and "Hope and Glory."

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Daniel Rotter's avatar

"Hell in the Pacific" "The General," and "The Tailor of Panama" are supposed to be pretty good, as well. Never seen them.

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